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Japan say completion date of Olympic Stadium will not be until March 2020

Japan approved guidelines for its new Olympic stadium on Friday, vowing to build an “athlete’s first” stadium as cheaply as possible and complete it by March 2020, a year later than planned, but without including any cost estimates or limits.

Japan scrapped its original plan for the new national stadium last month in the face of widespread outrage after costs ballooned to £1.34bn ($2.1bn), nearly twice the original estimates - an unusual move for an Olympic host city this late in the process.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) signed off on the decision for the stadium, the centerpiece of the 2020 Summer Olympics, but it has also said it will be part of the new stadium tender to make sure things stay on track.

The guidelines approved by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and other officials late on Friday emphasised keeping costs as low as possible but included no upper limits or estimates. Plans are for management of the stadium to be handed over to a private firm once the Olympics are over.

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“We should make a structure that will emotionally move people all over the world,” Abe said. “Of course, keeping costs down is a priority, and we must make the best, realistic plan we can.

Construction will be completed by March of 2020, the plan said, a year later than originally planned. Media reports have said construction will not begin until the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017, also at least a year behind the original schedule.

Cost estimates will be set in a later plan to be released later this month or early in September, but officials have said their aim is to do everything as cheaply as possible, including having a roof over spectator seats only.

The stadium will be built to host rugby, athletics and football, leaving Japan with the ability to bid for football World Cup in the future. A number of the required 80,000 seats will be temporary.

An international competition will be held to choose a new design later this year, and a decision is due on both design and contractors in January 2016, media reports have said.

More @ http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/aug/14/japan-olympic-games-stadium-completion-date-march-2020?CMP=share_btn_tw

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....still so exciting that they kicked the vagina designer to the curb.....too bad London is stuck with that giant roof heavy tongue.

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....still so exciting that they kicked the vagina designer to the curb....

You're not getting confused are you? The vagina stadium is Hadid's contribution to Qatar's World Cup....

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....still so exciting that they kicked the vagina designer to the curb.....too bad London is stuck with that giant roof heavy tongue.

All stadiums looks vaguely like that, just like all spears look like penises. Stadiums need to cantilever roofs/lips out over the stands and leave a central opening for air and rain to penetrate and get to the grass. Similarly all spears need to be aerodynamic. It's hardly a particular fault for one architect.

The problem with switching designs now is that it makes the time crunch even worse. That means more overtime for workers, more materials purchased hurriedly at high prices, less time to figure out logistical issues and thus more administrative staff required (who will also be working heavy overtime,) etc. They will still end up with a ridiculously costly stadium even after the switch to a cheaper design. They should have just remodeled the existing stadium and added another tier of temporary seating ala the Sydney Olympics.

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One of the reasons that they chose to tear it down is that the stadium was not up to the modern Japanese earthquake safety standards. It did survive fine in 2011, but the quake was not in Tokyo. If there was a quake in the Tokyo area, the 50 year old stadium would likely crumble. If they had tried to reinforce the stadium and add more on, There would be little to no space outside the stadium with new pillars, they would have to dig down into the foundation to re-reinforce it, and unrelated the track and field facilities were no longer capable of hosting large scale athletic competitions and, specifically, was likely the reason the National Stadium was not chosen as a 2002 World Cup venue even though it was already existing and had a capacity greater than most of the new stadiums built for the World Cup.

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You're not getting confused are you? The vagina stadium is Hadid's contribution to Qatar's World Cup....

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No he certainly didn't get it confused. He didn't say she designed a vagina for Tokyo, he just said she designed a vagina stadium, generally speaking.

All stadiums looks vaguely like that, just like all spears look like penises.

I may be gay and have never seen a live vagina in my life, but I've seen enough straight porn to know that no not every stadium looks vaguely like that. Those ripples clearly are the thing that distinguish it as a vagina stadium.

Here's another Qatar stadium, and this one most definitely does not look like a vagina, unless you've seen some far-out vaginas that come with teeth

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I will say though, that this stadium from Brazil does remind me of a sphincter

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Kind of unrelated, but I found this browsing Wikipedia. It had no source so who knows, but it's interesting...

Recently many host prefectures have built large scale venues in which to host various events, with a large focus on appearance. Examples include Nagai Stadium, Miyagi Stadium, Ōita Bank Dome, Tohoku Electric Power Big Swan Stadium, Shizuoka Stadium and International Stadium Yokohama. These were generally acknowledged as being built for the 2002 FIFA World Cup, but in reality their construction purpose was to be the main arena of the tournaments (however the International Stadium Yokohama was built with the intention of potentially hosting an Olympic games, and Nagai Stadium was renovated rather than built from scratch).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Sports_Festival_of_Japan

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So is that why every one of their stadiums has a track in it, for versatility?

I just think it's a poor decision to put a track in a stadium that will predominately be used for football matches. It would be better to build a separate athletics stadium with a small capacity but build it with the possibility of being able to get a capacity increase for events. But then again this is Japan and land is rare and expensive.

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Most of their houses are made of paper and wood in case of earthquakes; can't they make the new stadium the same?? Just build natural hillsides; have every one come and picnic around the track...and voila!! You have a green, inexpensive, VERY UNIQUE stadium!!

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No he certainly didn't get it confused. He didn't say she designed a vagina for Tokyo

Yep, misread designer as design.

Apologies Paul.

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....that comparison of the Qatar stadium to an engorged v is forever burned in my mind since it came up.....sorry Zaha.

I guess after designing so many waving, undulating, ideas-of-future-shapes, thingys, one is bound to end up looking like a "you know what" from one angel or another.

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Most of their houses are made of paper and wood in case of earthquakes; can't they make the new stadium the same?? Just build natural hillsides; have every one come and picnic around the track...and voila!! You have a green, inexpensive, VERY UNIQUE stadium!!

Just build natural hillsides... Shanghai 2040?

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Olympic minister:Stadium should be below $1.6 bil.

Japan's Cabinet minister in charge of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics says the new National Stadium to be built for the Games should cost less than 200 billion yen, or about 1.6 billion dollars.

On Saturday, Toshiaki Endo explained the government's plan, which is to be finalized by the end of this month.

Last month, the government scrapped the initial plan due to the swelling costs and decided to draw up a new one.

Endo said that 3 years ago the construction cost was projected to be 130 billion yen, or just above one billion dollars.

He added that if the initial plan were implemented, the cost would have exceeded 200 billion yen, largely due to rising commodity prices.

The minister said the government must do all it can to bring the total down to a sum that can win the public's approval.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150823_03.html

Why 1.6? MetLife, currently the most expensive stadium in the world, was 1.6 billion. Basically, they don't want to make it possible to have built the most expensive stadium in the world. Second is the best, anyway.

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MSDF officers sent to Australia for submarine bidThe Maritime Self-Defense Force has sent a 9-member team to Australia to join Japan's bid for a project to develop a new fleet of Australian submarines.

MSDF Chief of Staff Tomohisa Takei unveiled the move at a news conference in Tokyo on Tuesday.

Japan is participating in the competitive bidding process along with France and Germany. Australia is expected to choose a partner for the joint project by the end of the year.

The MSDF officers joined officials from the Defense Ministry and Japanese manufacturers and paid visits to local firms on Monday.

Japan's delegation is scheduled to exchange views on Wednesday with the Australian side on how they can share their roles.

Takei said Australia is a strategic partner that has common security interests with Japan, and that it's important to maintain close contact with the country.

The Japanese government last year adopted Guidelines for the Three Principles of Transfer of Defense Equipment and Technology to other countries.

Based on the guidelines, the National Security Council decided in May that Japan would enter the bidding to jointly develop Australian submarines.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/japan.html

Is it possible?

oops my bad, copied the wrong article. Here's the correct one.

IOC wants new Tokyo stadium by January 2020The International Olympic Committee has asked the Japanese government to have the new main stadium for the 2020 Tokyo Games ready by January of that year.

Japan's Minister in charge of the Tokyo Olympic and Paralympic Games, Toshiaki Endo, met on Tuesday with IOC Vice President John Coates. Coates chairs the Coordination Commission for Tokyo 2020.

They were joined by Yoshiro Mori, who heads the Tokyo Organising Committee for the Olympic and Paralympic Games.

Endo explained the government will decide by the end of this month a construction plan outlining the design of the new stadium, its costs and the time it takes to build.

He said the process of choosing contractors will begin early next month.

Endo stressed the Cabinet is taking responsibility for completing the stadium in time for the event.

Coates expressed hope the new stadium will be handed over to the organizing committee with enough time left to run final tests.

He asked the government to move up its construction schedule by a few months.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150825_28.html

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Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Probably not. There will have to be round-the-clock construction going on to make that deadline right now. Oh and if they can't deliver on that promise, what happens then? Highly doubt the IOC will strip them of their hosting rights even over the main stadium not meeting that deadline.

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So much about the IOC choosing the safe option for 2020...quite some sleepless nights already there I guess...

In hindsight, 2020 almost seems like 2022 now with no really attractive options to choose from.

It may be sensible to cut a stadium with enormous cost overruns already now, but it would have been mire sensible not to go OTT with that stadium in the first place.

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The whole off-shoot of this is that it won't be a fancy stadium with a strong roof which they would have needed to execute Beijing-style ceremonies...with all the flying and special effects. It will be a much simpler stadium and which means they would go back to the opening ceremonies of the 20th century and probably start early in the PM...rather than having an OC by night wherein they would make full use of theatrical lighting. That is going to be the end result of the more economical plans.

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Japan needs to tell the IOC that they can either accept the existing stadium in Yokohama or go to hell. Imagine if Japan spends $2-2.5 billion on a stadium that is not useable by summer 2020 anyway. This could end up being a worse disaster for the IOC than Montreal.

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Japan needs to tell the IOC that they can either accept the existing stadium in Yokohama or go to hell. Imagine if Japan spends $2-2.5 billion on a stadium that is not useable by summer 2020 anyway. This could end up being a worse disaster for the IOC than Montreal.

This ain't the IOC's decision. It's the TOCOG and Japan's.

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Japan needs to tell the IOC that they can either accept the existing stadium in Yokohama or go to hell. Imagine if Japan spends $2-2.5 billion on a stadium that is not useable by summer 2020 anyway. This could end up being a worse disaster for the IOC than Montreal.

I don't think it will, since the situation Montreal dealt with was much worse than what Tokyo is in. In Montreal, they chose to build a huge, unreasonably big and gaudy stadium with large concrete structures and a tower using building methods construction workers were not familiar with, causing them to go on strike. The new design, whatever it may be, for Tokyo will most definitely not be as complicated to build as Montreal or the original Hadid design. The simpler the design, the quicker they will be able to construct it.

They won't ever resort to Yokohama because they simply have too much pride to give up on rebuilding the National Stadium. It is a national landmark and they want to show it off during the Olympics. Even if it is more feasible to go to Yokohama, I doubt that TOCOG would ever propose it.

Some more news... it seems that Hadid might resubmit her design with an even more reduced capacity and less amenities, but still with the arches (?). It could be chosen, but I think the board that will choose the design are biased enough not to.

Tokyo stadium architect urges use of initial planThe architect of the initial design of the main stadium for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics says her scrapped plan could be modified to lower its cost.

London-based Zaha Hadid says in a video released by her office that 2 to 3 years were spent on the design.

The video says that by revising the plan and holding competitive bidding, the stadium could be built less expensively without changing the basic design. It says the revision would include no air conditioning for spectator seating as well as slashed capacity.

The video says 2 rooftop arches in the initial design do not push up costs, but rather help shorten construction time by allowing the roof and stands to be built at the same time. The giant arches were criticized as raising the cost due to their high technological demands.

Japan's government is expected to decide on a new plan as soon as Friday.

Hadid's office says redesigning from scratch would only invite unnecessary risks. It urges the government to make use of the initial plan to ensure completion of the stadium by January 2020.

Japan's minister in charge of the games, Toshiaki Endo, told reporters on Wednesday that the government will pick the design that gets the highest evaluation, and that Hadid's proposal could be chosen.

And related, said board is going to set a limit for the proposed cost early on so designers know that they can't try to be too extravagant...

Olympic stadium panel to limit costs earlyThe head of the panel choosing a new plan for Tokyo's main Olympic stadium says they need to set a realistic limit on costs during the selection process.

Shuzo Murakami chairs the Japan Sport Council screening committee. He made the remark on Wednesday in a meeting with the minister in charge of the Tokyo Olympic and Paralympic Games, Toshiaki Endo.

Endo said the International Olympic Committee had asked that the main stadium be ready by January 2020, the year of the Tokyo Games.

He asked the panel to choose a design that showcases Japan's cutting-edge technology.

The Cabinet is expected to endorse a new construction plan for the stadium and stipulate time and cost limits as early as Friday

Here's the video that ZHA released defending their original design.

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