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Government to set up panel to examine Olympics stadium project

Kyodo

The government intends to set up a panel to examine an upcoming plan for the new Olympics stadium to ensure proper procedure by a third party after it came under heavy fire for its management of the previous plan it had to scrap in a last-minute decision, a government official said Saturday.

The panel will comprise academic experts in the architecture sector to study the feasibility of the costs and technology for the new main venue for the 2020 Olympics and Paralympics in Tokyo.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe recently decided to start over in the design plan for the new National Stadium after public criticism grew over its cost that nearly doubled from the initially projected ¥130 billion.

Six panel members will be appointed, including Seiichi Fukao, professor emeritus at Tokyo Metropolitan University who has headed an advisory panel for the construction ministry.

The experts will negotiate on the costs of the new stadium with contractors and scrutinize whether total expenses come in under budget, according to the official.

The government aims to compile a plan for the new National Stadium by the end of this month.

It plans to select the design through screening by the panel and place an order for the construction by January as it seeks to complete it in April 2020.

The government has no plans to allow the new stadium to be used for concerts and the new structure will not have a retractable roof.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/08/02/national/government-set-panel-examine-olympics-stadium-project/#.Vb5_g60Wgko

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If anyone is interested, the Prime Minister has opened a forum for public opinion, and can be done in both Japanese and English from within Japan or abroad.

https://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/forms/goiken_ssl.html

The first line (テーマ) is the subject line, like in an email.

​The second line is where you write your opinion (2000 character max).

The third line is age, then under that is gender.

The fourth line is address, but for most you will scroll to the bottom and select 海外, or foreign countries.

The line under that is, if you put foreign countries, the name of the country you are submitting from.

Finally, the last line is, as stated in English, your email address.

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If anyone is interested, the Prime Minister has opened a forum for public opinion, and can be done in both Japanese and English from within Japan or abroad.

https://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/forms/goiken_ssl.html

The first line (テーマ) is the subject line, like in an email.

​The second line is where you write your opinion (2000 character max).

The third line is age, then under that is gender.

The fourth line is address, but for most you will scroll to the bottom and select 海外, or foreign countries.

The line under that is, if you put foreign countries, the name of the country you are submitting from.

Finally, the last line is, as stated in English, your email address.

Thanx. I sent in my 2,020 Yen worth!!

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Thanx. I sent in my 2,000 Yen worth!!

Not sure a revolving restaurant fits into the new budget. Sorry.

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If anyone is interested, the Prime Minister has opened a forum for public opinion, and can be done in both Japanese and English from within Japan or abroad.

https://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/forms/goiken_ssl.html

The first line (テーマ) is the subject line, like in an email.

​The second line is where you write your opinion (2000 character max).

The third line is age, then under that is gender.

The fourth line is address, but for most you will scroll to the bottom and select 海外, or foreign countries.

The line under that is, if you put foreign countries, the name of the country you are submitting from.

Finally, the last line is, as stated in English, your email address.

Here's better link.All in English. ;)

https://www.kantei.go.jp/foreign/forms/comment_ssl.html

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Not sure a revolving restaurant fits into the new budget. Sorry.

OK, not a Revolving restaurant per se, but how about this Sushi Bar Boat Canal system around the upper rim of the stadium or into the luxury boxes? Be one helluva unique Revolving Bar... LOL!!

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This was posted in the logo thread as part of another news story, but it's applicable here.

Last month, it suddenly scrapped the design for the new National Stadium, the centerpiece of the Games, due to public outrage over skyrocketing costs. A new design will be chosen later this year and construction will begin in 2016.

A committee from Japan's ruling Liberal Democratic Party met to discuss the stadium on Tuesday.

Their recommendations, to be submitted to the government as early as Friday, may include building a smaller stadium and opting not to build a new one at all, instead relying on existing stadiums.

No cost estimates have yet been established.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/05/us-olympics-japan-logo-idUSKCN0QA0CV20150805

It seems like the statements contradict each other, stating that they will get the new design and start construction, but that the LDP might recommend building a smaller one and not building one at all? I'm thinking it's just worded awkwardly.

However, as someone stated in the sister thread on this topic on SSC, the national stadium is Japan's Wembley, Japan's Maracana. I don't think it's really an option to just build nothing. The closest stadium in Tokyo is the Ajinomoto Stadium, which is not nearly big enough to host the Athletics and the OC/CC.

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This was posted in the logo thread as part of another news story, but it's applicable here.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/05/us-olympics-japan-logo-idUSKCN0QA0CV20150805

It seems like the statements contradict each other, stating that they will get the new design and start construction, but that the LDP might recommend building a smaller one and not building one at all? I'm thinking it's just worded awkwardly.

However, as someone stated in the sister thread on this topic on SSC, the national stadium is Japan's Wembley, Japan's Maracana. I don't think it's really an option to just build nothing. The closest stadium in Tokyo is the Ajinomoto Stadium, which is not nearly big enough to host the Athletics and the OC/CC.

Capacity is at 49,970. The athletics stadium for Rio has a capacity smaller than that but it's being increased to about 60k. What Tokyo could do, and this to me is a better option, is increase the capacity of Ajinomoto to 60k or more and just build a brand new stadium that is football/soccer/rugby purpose with Olympic capacity and equipped to host the opening and closing ceremonies. Since these type of stadiums are smaller than stadiums that are equipped for track and field, it could possibly be built in time for the Rugby world cup as well.

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OK, not a Revolving restaurant per se, but how about this Sushi Bar Boat Canal system around the upper rim of the stadium or into the luxury boxes? Be one helluva unique Revolving Bar... LOL!!

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Or what about a giant sushi train around the stadium parading Japanese history... oh what, Athens...

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Or what about a giant sushi train around the stadium parading Japanese history... oh what, Athens...

Except Athens didn't even have their "floats" on actual water!! It was on the dry stage. At least Kazan 2015 has staged a very wet Opening Ceremony--true to the type of games it is hosting.

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Capacity is at 49,970. The athletics stadium for Rio has a capacity smaller than that but it's being increased to about 60k. What Tokyo could do, and this to me is a better option, is increase the capacity of Ajinomoto to 60k or more and just build a brand new stadium that is football/soccer/rugby purpose with Olympic capacity and equipped to host the opening and closing ceremonies. Since these type of stadiums are smaller than stadiums that are equipped for track and field, it could possibly be built in time for the Rugby world cup as well.

I don't think that's something that they would do, though. Look at the 2002 World Cup. Out of the ten stadiums built for the event, only four were football-specific. The rest included tracks, even the Final venue. Track events on a local level do happen often, and the old National Stadium held several track events after the Olympics, Including the IAAF Championships. For the reason to be able to host local, national, and international track events, I don't think that the National Stadium would be built as a football stadium solely.

And expanding Ajinomoto might be harder than in Rio. In Rio there are already gaps that seating can be constructed in that used to be open to the surrounding area. Ajinomoto is enclosed and filled up to the roof. They would have to tear off the roof and build an entirely new one for this to work.

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2020 Tokyo Olympics stadium architect speaks out
The architect who designed a new national stadium for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics says she wants to keep working on the project based on a new budget.

The Japanese government scrapped its initial plan to use the design after it was met with strong criticism for the sharp rise in projected costs.

The London-based architect Zaha Hadid spoke to NHK on Monday.

Hadid said the ballooning cost was due to a rise in material prices and that her design is not to blame.

She said the best way to avoid wasting time is for her design team to be retained to refine the project.

She said they spent two and a half years on the design and have enormous knowledge about the project.

Hadid also said she has sent a letter to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, but has not received a response.

She stressed if she is invited to Tokyo, she wants to explain the logic of the design to Abe.

Hadid pointed out that the important thing is to make a good stadium which could be used after the Olympics games for other events and sports.

She was also asked about the possibility of taking legal action if her team is completely cut off. She replied that she still has hope that the issue may develop positively and will wait to see what happens.

I audibly said, "No go away" when I read this. She really doesn't take rejection well.

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I audibly said, "No go away" when I read this. She really doesn't take rejection well.

I can understand how they feel like they should have the inside track. And their stand isn't all that unreasonable. She/they should just come out with a simpler, cheaper but NICER alternative.

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New Olympic stadium to have fixed roof over seats

Japan's government is expected to decide that the new national stadium in Tokyo will be a sports-only facility with a fixed roof over the spectator seats.

The plan has emerged as a way to curb the construction costs for the stadium, which will be the main arena for the 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

Officials are asking athletes and sports organizations to give their views on the project. The original construction plan was for a multi-purpose facility with a retractable roof. It was sent back to the drawing board when the cost estimate exceeded 2 billion dollars.

Under the new plan, the government will ask private- sector firms to manage the stadium after the 2020 Games to make further savings.

Officials are set to draw up a new construction plan by the end of this month, stipulating the stadium's functions and the maximum budget.

They are expected to solicit design proposals from businesses in early September.

The officials also plan to check the progress of the project to be implemented by the Japan Sport Council. Experts will also help with the inspections.

The government is expected to decide on the basic outline of the construction plan at a meeting of Cabinet ministers on Friday.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150812_05.html

I though this was pretty self-evident...

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Will it still have a retractable roof? Because as much as it rains over there during the time of the Olympics, they absolutely need it.


Edit: nevermind it doesn't rain that much, but still is a retractable roof still going to be added to the stadium?

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Will it still have a retractable roof? Because as much as it rains over there during the time of the Olympics, they absolutely need it.

Edit: nevermind it doesn't rain that much, but still is a retractable roof still going to be added to the stadium?

They announced at the same meeting the most recent article is from that they're ditching the retractable roof as well. I haven't heard anything about the retractable seating in this new version, but we should hear more in the coming days.

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Government will privatize 2020 Olympics stadium after event ends to lessen costs

The Japanese government plans to privatize the new National Stadium to be built for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics after the sports event ends, hoping to hold down the running costs it would otherwise have to pay, government sources said Tuesday.
The idea was included in the outline of the government’s soon-to-be endorsed basic stance on the main Olympics stadium, whose initial design plan was scrapped amid rising public criticism over the swelling costs that have doubled to ¥252 billion ($2.02 billion) from the original estimate.
The outline does not include a ceiling for the total construction costs of the new stadium but says that stadium equipment should be limited “in principle” to that linked to sports to prevent building costs from ballooning, the sources said.
The term “in principle” indicates the government has left room for the structure to be used for nonsports events in the future when a private company takes over the stadium management and wants to earn profits by holding events other than sports contests, such as concerts.
The outline will be endorsed at a meeting of Cabinet ministers involved in the issue on Friday, also with the attendance of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, the sources said.
The ceiling for the total construction costs is expected to be incorporated in another plan on the stadium to be compiled later in the month. Many officials in the government believe that the costs should not exceed the initial estimate of around ¥130 billion.
The government also plans to set up a new panel to be involved in selecting companies that will design and build the stadium.
The panel, to be joined by around six experts including Seiichi Fukao, professor emeritus at Tokyo Metropolitan University, is to ensure that the structure will be completed by the spring of 2020 as well as to curb costs, the sources said.

Aug.12,2015

News source:The Japan Times

Link to this article:http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/08/12/national/government-will-privatize-2020-olympics-stadium-event-ends-lessen-costs/#.VcqhZvntmko

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So when the private company has that space outside the "principle" after the games, what kinds of things would they include to make it more suitable for a concert venue? Like what would need to be added, I can't think of what they would need to since even the old stadium held concerts.

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Unrelated, I came across this stadium in Split, Croatia recently. I think the new stadium should be similar to this. Simple, of course, but perhaps paying homage to the old stadium? I mean the shape of the stands, like how they peak on a soft curve like before. The roof would have to go all the way around, covering all the seats though.

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Also it would have to be a lot bigger, given that the capacity here is 35,000...

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/\/\ That actually looks more like the Mexico City Olympic Stadium to me in terms of its curves.

Why don't they ask the car designers at Toyota, Honda or Nissan to come out with the stadium design? I am sure it could be something aerodynamic but simple and elegant.

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Unrelated, I came across this stadium in Split, Croatia recently. I think the new stadium should be similar to this. Simple, of course, but perhaps paying homage to the old stadium? I mean the shape of the stands, like how they peak on a soft curve like before. The roof would have to go all the way around, covering all the seats though.

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Also it would have to be a lot bigger, given that the capacity here is 35,000...

But of course, the first step to make it a lot bigger without making it a lot taller, is to get rid of the troughs between the soft-curved peaks.

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that's a gorgeous stadium, would be amazing with elevated materials and construction methods.

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