baron-pierreIV Posted May 18, 2015 Report Posted May 18, 2015 The best thing out of this is not the money saved, but the fact that spectators wont have to look up at the sky through a wiry mesh anymore! source: http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/10124944/ Thank God. Except that this will mean scaled-down ceremonies!! Darn!!! Quote
phandrosis Posted May 18, 2015 Report Posted May 18, 2015 Here are a couple English articles about it. http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Japan-plans-to-scale-back-Tokyo-2020-Olympic-6270088.php http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/olympics/327 With or without the roof I'm excited to see how they're going to construct the stadium! Quote
Rob2012 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) No retractable roof.....ok, that makes sense. It's a nice extra but hardly necessary. 35% of seats temporary in a 80k National Stadium? So Japan's new National stadium would end up with six thousand fewer seats than the one it replaced? Barely more than 50k seats! Not liking that so much. Edited May 18, 2015 by Rob. Quote
phandrosis Posted May 18, 2015 Report Posted May 18, 2015 Things could still change. Alongside the retractable roof, if they see that in the future permanent 80k seats would be economically feasible, they'll probably make them permanent Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted May 18, 2015 Report Posted May 18, 2015 With or without the roof I'm excited to see how they're going to construct the stadium! Well, very carefully -- from the ground up for the most part -- like any other concrete structure and stadium. Quote
Rob2012 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Posted May 18, 2015 Well, very carefully -- from the ground up for the most part -- like any other concrete structure and stadium. Except of course the last Hadid Olympic structure was built from the roof down! Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted May 18, 2015 Report Posted May 18, 2015 Except of course the last Hadid Olympic structure was built from the roof down! Well, they're dispensing with the roof for this one -- so I don't see how they cannot start but from the foundations?? And even if the roof were to come later, they would still have to provide for the proper posts/supports/pylons on which that future roof will rest. Quote
phandrosis Posted May 19, 2015 Report Posted May 19, 2015 I just found this article that has a direct quote stating the change from 80k to 50k after the games. It does seem kind of strange to have less seats than before... http://www.huffingtonpost.jp/2015/05/18/zaha-stadium-without-roof_n_7303224.html Quote
Throne Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 Given the current and rather surprising trajectory of modification proposed by the Tokyo, I wonder if, perhaps, the IOC may have sound legal grounds to sue future host cities who deviate from their offered plans should they win an Olympic bid. It could, for all intents and purposes, be perceived as a breach of contracts of sorts.... just a mischievous ( but rather real) little thought. Quote
Rob2012 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) The IOC doesn't seem to mind and in fact seems to be branding these changes as part of its Agenda 2020 program. Indeed, we know they actually pushed PC2018 organisers to move their sliding events to Japan (a little too extreme a change for my liking so I'm glad it was rejected). So whilst I suppose technically they could sue, it seems that they're actually taking the opposite approach to post-bid changes. And anyway, I very much doubt the sight of the IOC and an organising committee in a court room on opposite sides will benefit either. It's generally the IFs who grumble when a venue is changed rather than the IOC. We've seen a little bit of that with Tokyo and saw a little bit with London as well. Edited May 20, 2015 by Rob. 1 Quote
phandrosis Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Rugby/2015/05/18/Minister-wants-no-roof-for-Tokyo-2020-stadium-to-cut-cost/ The way this article is written makes it clearer that the Sport's Minister is asking for these demotions, not the JSC nor TOCOG announcing them. So things could definitely still change. Quote
olympiaki-agones Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 I will be in Tokyo in June. I really wonder if there is something going on and where to find the Olympic cauldron? Quote
Palette86 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 I will be in Tokyo in June. I really wonder if there is something going on and where to find the Olympic cauldron? The cauldron is now in Ishinomaki city,Miyagi pref. http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/109840.php The unveiling ceremony will be held on 27th,June 2015 at Ishinomaki sports park. 1 Quote
olympiaki-agones Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 Thanks! It seems I won't be able to see it. Quote
phandrosis Posted May 24, 2015 Report Posted May 24, 2015 I found and article clearing up some of the statements trhown out recently about the stadium. Here are the facts: ( http://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/823372 ) 1. The retractable roof will be constructed after the games due to both budget and time constraints. 2. The stationary roof (obviously) will be built as planned. 3. The retractable seating feature will not be constructed. Therefore, the stadium will be in track mode permanently (like Nissan) 4. Not 30,000 seats, but just 15,000 seats will be temporary. Therefore the final capacity will be 65,000 which is plenty for a national stadium. Quote
runningrings Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 I found and article clearing up some of the statements trhown out recently about the stadium. Here are the facts: ( http://number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/823372 ) 1. The retractable roof will be constructed after the games due to both budget and time constraints. 2. The stationary roof (obviously) will be built as planned. 3. The retractable seating feature will not be constructed. Therefore, the stadium will be in track mode permanently (like Nissan) The above could have come from a progress report in 1973. 1 Quote
TorchbearerSydney Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 And the stadium that most looks like the Tokyo Stadium...Montreal! Quote
phandrosis Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 I think they'll be able to do it on time. Remember that in 1964 they build the Budokan in a little less than a year with the first event being the Olympics. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 I think they'll be able to do it on time. Remember that in 1964 they build the Budokan in a little less than a year with the first event being the Olympics. Oh, there's plenty of time. I think even now, they are running slightly ahead of sked. They will get that done by fall 2018, I'm sure. Quote
phandrosis Posted May 28, 2015 Report Posted May 28, 2015 I searched around the internet for more info about those renders I posted earlier from the NY Times article, and found that there was a design show about Zaha Hadid in Japan a few weeks before the most recent official renders were released back in October of 2014. Here are some photos I got from it. ( http://www.fashion-headline.com/article/img/2014/10/19/8121/94896.html ) For these next few, given recent developments, we can kind of ignore the mesh in the main roof area since that wont be there during the games. 2 Quote
LatinXTC Posted May 28, 2015 Report Posted May 28, 2015 That thing really does stick out like a sore thumb. Not just in Tokyo, it'll stick out anywhere, and not in a good way. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted May 28, 2015 Report Posted May 28, 2015 It really was a bizarre structure no matter which way one looked at it. I don't understand how the Japan NOC got suckered into picking it. The other designs must've been equally horrible. Thank God, budgetary considerations have for now, removed that utterly strange roof. Quote
runningrings Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 The design is overwrought, and tries too hard. 1 Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 Aside from the bike helmet analogy, it also reminds me of some mutant turtle shell...or maybe a deflated version of this.... Quote
Rob2012 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 I still think it looks fantastic. It's meant to stand out from its surroundings, it's a National Stadium! You can see Wembley's arch across London, you'll be able to pick this out on the skyline too. Its form follows its function; it actually ISN'T overextragegant. Every part of that design serves a function. What would you take away from it? That's unlike what we had in Beijing which was a normal stadium with a load of concrete wrapped around it. In that sense Toky's is a much tighter design. And that transparent roof will give some great aerial shots during 2020. They could have some neat lighting effects with those different sections in the ceremoniess if they wanted. 1 Quote
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