Alexjc Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 They'll save them...Japanese put their mind to something...it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 i think zaha is working on updated alternatives: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 <iframe width="640" height="390" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Xv9rnHlhb5s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> oops that didn't work. here: It's the Sayonara for the Future video from the TOCOG YouTube page 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palette86 Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Stadium murals face destruction in work for 2020 Olympics 13 murals will be saved . News source Gorin Mainichi(in Japanese); http://sportsspecial.mainichi.jp/news/20140612ddm035050151000c.html It's the Sayonara for the Future video from the TOCOG YouTube page Translation of the video. 0'06"~ The lady in sunglass said "this will be last time so I'm very looking forward to this." Next,a girl said "I wanna go and see Tokyo Olympic." 1'22"~ "Arigatou Kokuritsu.(Thank you national stadium.)",Kokuritsu means national and that's the nickname of the stadium. 2"12'~ The message on national flag; "Goodbye Kokuritsu(=National stadium). Thanks for many memories. Love for the stadium. All dreams started here. We will never forget this stadium, forever..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 It has begun! (JSC Facebook) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 And it looks like these peaceful protests have made an impact. http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/protests-pay-off-as-hadid-alters-tokyo-stadium/5069610.article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 And it looks like these peaceful protests have made an impact. http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/protests-pay-off-as-hadid-alters-tokyo-stadium/5069610.article "Lightweight, tensile fabric between the stadium's structure significantly reduces the weight and materials of the roof, giving the stadium even greater flexibility as both an outdoor and indoor venue." I wonder if that means the two long "backbones" are going to become less prominent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 There's a new Q&A posted on the JSC website but it's in Japanese http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=w39gQXKDZ3M%3d&tabid=36&mid=762 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 There's a new Q&A posted on the JSC website but it's in Japanese http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=w39gQXKDZ3M%3d&tabid=36&mid=762 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jpnsport.go.jp%2Fnewstadium%2FLinkClick.aspx%3Ffileticket%3Dw39gQXKDZ3M%253D%26tabid%3D36%26mid%3D762&edit-text= (English-ified thanks to Google Translate ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palette86 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 There's a new Q&A posted on the JSC website but it's in Japanese http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=w39gQXKDZ3M%3d&tabid=36&mid=762 The questions and answers are very general ones.If you have read almost every news about Tokyo 2020,I don't think you need to read this . BTW how did you get this FAQ in Jpanese ver.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I just went on the JSC site, but in japanese. It took a little scavenging but I found it eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 another new document http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Qm0JUlO7vyI%3d&tabid=36&mid=762 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympiaki-agones Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 No need to demolish that stadium. I actually like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 They should never have picked her in the first place. She's a megalomaniac vanity-driven architect!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 she is a warthog.....nothing more or less. so sad to import such bullshit to a country with such great style a Japan. The London park is a study in undefined indifference......plus a bad shopping mall, Tokyo deserves more. Whatever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 New document: http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sdBUnenWAQE%3d&tabid=36&mid=762 After a bit of google translator, i picked up on a few details: definate 80,000 capacity there are plans (what appears to be the most informal plans) to use the stadium in the future for IAAF world championships and/or FIFA world cup the stadium is planned to be used many times throughout each year for concerts and events the new price appears to be 162.5 billion yen (approx. $1.6 billion as of today) the maintenance cost per year is 4 billion yen (approx. $39.2 million as of today which seems like a lot but idk what's normal) it also explains that the reason they are renovating not just refurbishing is that it's no longer up to world sport standards and it's current earthquake resistance is not strong enough 9 lanes on the track just once again stating that construction will start next october (2015) thats about it. theres a small calendar (in heisei) that shows the basic dates we already know. july 2014-september 2015 is demolition and october 2015-march 2019 is construction with a small prep period afterwards before the rugby world cup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palette86 Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 another new document http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Qm0JUlO7vyI%3d&tabid=36&mid=762 This is about a session held on 7th July,2014. New document: http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sdBUnenWAQE%3d&tabid=36&mid=762 After a bit of google translator, i picked up on a few details: it also explains that the reason they are renovating not just refurbishing is that it's no longer up to world sport standards and it's current earthquake resistance is not strong enough Found the reasons why they can't renovate stadium.(Page 3. 4 改修計画と比較検討. texts follow after second circle) Technically quite difficult to expand east side(cauldron side)of the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 9 lanes on the track Are Olympic stadiums required to have 9 or 10 lanes instead of the standard 8? I never thought about it, but that could be a potential headache for a few of the older stadiums like Berlin's Olympiastadion that have 8 lanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Are Olympic stadiums required to have 9 or 10 lanes instead of the standard 8? I never thought about it, but that could be a potential headache for a few of the older stadiums like Berlin's Olympiastadion that have 8 lanes. as far as i can tell from the olympic charter (which doesnt say anything about it), I assume that like all other venues it has to meet the requirements of the IF, not the IOC. So in that case i think 8 are required. They just opted to have nine for the funsies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 just to be clear here's a screenshot from the IAAF charter or whatever it's called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palette86 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 This is about a session held on 7th July,2014. Found the reasons why they can't renovate stadium.(Page 3. 4 改修計画と比較検討. texts follow after second circle) Technically quite difficult to expand east side(cauldron side)of the stadium. Following article explains everything. Ministry deems National Stadium renovation plans unrealistic The Yomiuri Shimbun 4:23 am, August 20, 2014 The Yomiuri Shimbun The sports ministry has deemed a proposal to renovate the National Stadium for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics unrealistic, because of a number of drawbacks including insufficient earthquake resistance and building regulations that prohibit the blocking of sunlight from nearby structures. Large-scale construction work would be required to improve the earthquake resistance of the current stadium, which officials say falls under the jurisdiction of both the Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry and the Japan Sports Council. With this in mind, the ministry and the council want to build a new stadium. The renovation plans were presented by architect organizations and individual architects, including Toyoo Ito, who claim the reconstruction of a new stadium would damage the historic scenery of the Meiji Shrine Outer Gardens. The council and ministry have been reviewing these proposals. According to this review, previous earthquake resistance checks showed that the current stadium would probably collapse if an earthquake with an intensity of upper 6 on the Japanese scale occurred. To improve the stadium’s quake resistance, almost all of the stadium columns would have to be enlarged to nearly three times their current size. Walkways and waiting rooms would become narrower and smaller as a result, inconveniencing spectators and athletes. The council added that problems could also arise in managing the Paralympics. Another issue is that the seats in the northeastern area of the stadium would cast a shadow over the premises of the neighboring Seitoku Kinen Kaigakan, a museum. The shadow would violate Building Standards Law regulations that were revised after the stadium was completed. The issue must be resolved regardless of whether the renovation plan is adopted or not. Should renovation plans proceed, the seats in the northeastern section—one-quarter of total stadium capacity—would have to be removed. In addition, 80,000 seats must be provided as promised to the International Olympic Committee. To honor this promise, new seats would have to be installed at the southwestern side that extends from the premises, distorting the shape of the stadium. According to estimates, the total cost may be as high as ¥100 billion, including work to remove the seats. This is still less than the ¥136.7 billion needed to demolish the current stadium and build a new one. However, the state of the current stadium has continued to deteriorate as more than 50 years have passed since it was built. The ministry and the council believe a huge amount of funds would be needed to cover future repair work if the current stadium is used. Therefore, the ministry and council have concluded that renovating the stadium is unrealistic. News source:The Japan News Link;http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0001503752 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 A good summary, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It's great that they have established to the protesters the facts behind why they cannot just add seats and slam on a roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 two new documents from the JSC. This one (http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=WnVlVRv21YU%3d&tabid=36&mid=762) according to my dear google translate shows a slight change in the dates. Something called "Design Implementation" spans from August 2014 to September 2015, which is similar to the demolition schedule. The actual demolition timeline now stands at September 2014 - September 2015 which is ahead of the previous schedule of October 2014 - October 2015. The construction dates are the same. There's another one that's rather long (http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/Portals/0/shushimikomi/20140820_shushimikomi.pdf) that looks to be about finances and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandrosis Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 kind of a far off thought but has anyone thought about where they might place the cauldron? I mean the stadium's fabric-like roof probably isn't great with fire and with jumbo trons on both openings kind of block a view outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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