Soaring Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I know the original topic, and responded. I guess I went too far off course. My deep apologies. One of the reasons why I haven't been around as much these last few months, is because you guys jump on people's statements and I just don't have the energy to argue. Anyway, I guess you can accuse me for jumping on another person's statement, so I will just be quiet now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Hardly noticed that u were gone. N btw, Madrid has one of the craziest & greatest club scenes in all of Europe. Perhaps u went to the wrong clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Well Rome isnt too safe... If ypu want SAFE then Madrid is the only choice And even they have had problems with terrorism.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 The point is with terrorism, EVERY potential host is at risk. It's not so much the individual host that a terrorist would target, but the whole concept of the games themselves. N btw, Madrid has one of the craziest & greatest club scenes in all of Europe. Perhaps u went to the wrong clubs. Yeah, agree with you on that - at least when I was still a clubber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Seriously, what does terrorism have to do with "natural" disasters. Terrorism & the Olympics always come up when discussing security measures, it's a given. But the host city & country set up a security task force to try & deal with the threat during the duration of the Games. A natural disaster, however, is something that not even the most security prepared country could deal with. No host city could deal with a mega earthquake or 2004-like tsunami. And that was/is the basis of this thread. Since the wrath of mother nature cannot be controlled by no immesne amount of security at the Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Seriously, what does terrorism have to do with "natural" disasters. Terrorism & the Olympics always come up when discussing security measures, it's a given. But the host city & country set up a security task force to try & deal with the threat during the duration of the Games. A natural disaster, however, is something that not even the most security prepared country could deal with. No host city could deal with a mega earthquake or 2004-like tsunami. And that was/is the basis of this thread. Since the wrath of mother nature cannot be controlled by no immesne amount of security at the Games. You're right, terrorism has nothing to do with "natural" disasters. My point was simply that no bidding city is "safe" regardless of natural or man-made disasters. That is why I brought up the Madrid bombing. Even man-made disasters / terrorism are not completely avoidable if you want a free and open Games. Security can't protect an entire city, but surely things can be done to minimize that risk, just as strict building codes minimize risk of damage from natural disasters. By bringing up Madrid's clubs, I was just saying that for illustrative purposes. I have never been to Madrid, so I have no idea what their nightlife is like, but I trust your judgment on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yes, but a big natural disaster has the potential to just downright cancel the Games. Whereas a terrorism act is much less likely to do so (unless they were to use nukes, then we're all f@cked anyway). Munich & Atlanta carried on after their respective terrorist attacks. And I know y u brought Madrid's club scene. Doesn't mean that I couldn't correct the 'illustrative purpose'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 It wouldn't be the first thread to go way off topic - not that expanding a discussion of natural disasters to include man-made disasters is such a huge stretch anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Interesting story I came across, and it's on topic! Will Japan build a backup Tokyo? By Alan Boyle It sounds like a story ripped from the parody-filled pages of The Onion, but some Japanese lawmakers really do want to build a "backup city" that would take over the functions of Tokyo, including tourism, in the event of a catastrophe. The idea was floated last month at a Tokyo luncheon, with a follow-up in The Telegraph last week. "The idea of being able to have a backup, a spare battery for the functions of the nation ... isn't this really a good idea?" Hajime Ishii, a parliamentarian representing the ruling Democratic Party of Japan, was quoted as saying. Support for creating an urban Plan B has grown in the wake of the earthquake and tsunami that devastated Japan in March and led to the Fukushima nuclear crisis. "Preparations are already under way at various levels at various levels to find ways of mitigating possible far-reaching consequences of a much-expected earthquake striking Tokyo," the Foreign Correspondents Club of Japan said. The lawmakers' plan calls for building an urban center known as IRTBBC (Integrated Resort, Tourism, Business and Backup City) or NEMIC (National Emergency Management International City) on the 1,236-acre site currently occupied by Osaka International Airport at Itami. Today, Itami is used only as a secondary hub for domestic flights, operating in the shadow of the newer Kansai airport. The new city would take on all the functions of the capital city in the event of an emergency. It would boast office complexes, resort facilities, parks and even casinos. The city's centerpiece would be a tower that would rank among the tallest in the world, coming in at just over 650 meters (2,133 feet). It'd be built to house 50,000 residents and accommodate a workday population of around 200,000 people from the Osaka region, The Telegraph reported. If the plan goes forward, it would rank among history's most ambitious backup plans. The backers haven't calculated the cost of building the city. For now, Ishii and his fellow lawmakers — including the Democratic Party's Banri Kaieda, Shizuka Kamei of the People's New Party and Ichiro Aisawa of the Liberal Democrats — are merely seeking 14 million yen ($180,000) for a feasibility study. Read More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Build a copy of an ersatz city??? Wouldn't go there even if you paid me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Build a copy of an ersatz city??? Wouldn't go there even if you paid me. Even if they had a backup Olympic stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Seriously, what does terrorism have to do with "natural" disasters. Terrorism & the Olympics always come up when discussing security measures, it's a given. But the host city & country set up a security task force to try & deal with the threat during the duration of the Games. A natural disaster, however, is something that not even the most security prepared country could deal with. No host city could deal with a mega earthquake or 2004-like tsunami. And that was/is the basis of this thread. Since the wrath of mother nature cannot be controlled by no immesne amount of security at the Games. Deawebo said Madrid was the only "safe" option. The reality is that no place is completely safe. Tragedy can strike anywhere any time -- be it natural or man-made. Therefore I don't think the IOC is going to worry much about the whole issue. They just need to be convinced that a host has comprehensive plans and strategies in place to deal with any eventualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I think i can say this. Terrorism might not have to do with natural disasters But if you are going to talk about what risks a host city has (natural disasters) then you should also take into consideration the other problems such as terrorism. And none of these candidates are safe baku, istanbul tokyo natural disasters rome, madrid economic problems which leaves doha which alot of people dislike so im sure theres a problem there so to sum up there are no safe picks so its a tad risky, but arent the risky picks the fun ones? haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Even our dear Tulsa was rocked with an earthquake! A 5.6 (most powerful ever recorded in state history), centered near Sparks, OK about 40 miles between Oklahoma City and Tulsa. Oklahoma is not known for much seismic activity, but most notable for being the most active place in the world for tornadoes. So even our "safest" places are not immune from unique occurrences from mother nature! Earthquake jolts Oklahoma By SHANNON MUCHMORE World Staff Writer Published: 11/6/2011 2:44 AM The largest earthquake in state history rocked Oklahoma late Saturday, causing damage near the epicenter and awakening and frightening residents throughout the state. The 5.6 magnitude event was preceded by an early morning 4.8 quake that measured third-strongest in recorded Oklahoma history. No injuries were reported from either quake. Both emanated within miles of each other in central Oklahoma. "It was a pretty ornery little earthquake," said Joey Wakefield, Lincoln County's emergency manager. Reports from Lincoln County after the late quake included a boulder the size of an SUV in a roadway, parts of U.S. 62 buckling and a chimney collapsing on a two-story house, said Joey Wakefield, Lincoln County Emergency Manager. The morning earthquake rattled buildings and awoke residents shortly after 2 a.m. The evening quake followed Saturday at 10:53 p.m. The evening quake was felt in nine states, including Tennessee and Indiana, said Harley Benz, a seismologist with the United State Geological Survey. Read More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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