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Good summing up...out of interest, how does the NZRU run the Kiwi game & what kind of reform would you propose for the RFU & northern hemisphere rugby as a whole?

NZRU run it very well but in the professional era...Money rules. There is a bit of it about but nothing on the grand scale of England Rugby. NZRU are very tight with the All Blacks brand. Kind of sad when small businesses can't use the name but are allowed to get around it by say "team in black" or "New Zealand team" as the Supreme Court stopped the NZRU from trying to copywrite "black" used in a rugby reference but did let them have "All Blacks" in upper and lower case as nothing else could be referred to it except Neath Rugby Club in Wales.

As a developer of the game...It really does start at junior school and club level for both boys and girls. By High School, more so now in the SANZAAR era, potential talent scouts are prowling the sidelines and it is not uncommon for a young 15 or 16 year old to be signed up to a Super Rugby franchise on the spot. Senior School rugby now surpasses the National Provincial Championship as the breeding ground for both the 15 and 7 formats of the game. In School rugby finals week, it's now normal to see 20k attend games in the Auckland area. Originally it was the NPC that got first dibs for the ultimate prize...being chosen for the national squad, but Super Rugby's five NZ teams are the true testing grounds these days. The NPC now a last chance saloon for some or ending out for has beens.

Because above all this - You have comming down from up north, the English and French club scouts with Cheque books that are even fatter than NZRU's. There are players that NZ will never see the talents of because they didn't quite make being chosen for the national side even though the shone out in Super Rugby while only on a two year contract and someone from Bath or Toullon showed up at the right time.

As seen at this world cup...the post All Black player can cash in, Dan Carter on a NZ$2million p.a. five year contract in France comes to mind. This sets him up for life...He will never play in NZ again.

As can been seen...Rugby Union is the domainant sport in NZ, so unusual in that every where else it has been seen as elitest. There are far more registered Football players in NZ but the management of the round ball game here is atrocious! Just have to look at how the Olympic side managed to disqualify itself from 2016 due to a clerical error! Cricket is seen as the summer sport and Americas Cup and Olympics only get a serious mention in their competition year. Other sports are classed as minor and miss out on lucrative revenue because of it. We would have a great Baseball team if Soft Ball got the funding on all levels that rugby does...and that's the US National Baseball League words.

I can't really get a heads on what Europe can do to grow it's international teams. England and France should be All Black killers more often. Good god they have the talent to do it but just can't get around the transition from Club to National matches. Even as the 2015 RWC moved into Semi Finals, the northern clubs had already reasserted dominance as their respective champs started again.

As for the Six Nations...To grow it would mean to split it into two groups in the New Zealand styled NPC format with eight teams eventually growing into ten...Five teams per group. Work a points and repercharge system and then a semis and final. Romania and Georgia would be great editions to the group and Portugal and Russia joining later giving a full ten.

This would grow the World Cup and hopefully we will never see what happened in 2015...A totally dominant Southern Hemisphere.

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Surprised nobody's mentioned it yet, but it did seal Lancaster's fate - he resigned yesterday. Japan's Eddie Jones being talked about most right now.

Among about 20 others, so it seems. One thing that I think is certain, however, is that the RFU will go for an overseas coach. I'm not convinced it will be Eddie Jones, though.

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Among about 20 others, so it seems. One thing that I think is certain, however, is that the RFU will go for an overseas coach. I'm not convinced it will be Eddie Jones, though.

You reckon? If they do, he will have a South African accent...

Oh and a consolation prize for you of sorts...Congratulations on winning the Rugby series against New Zealand last night...Rugby League that is. :)

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So sad to announce the passing of Rugby legend Jonah Lomu who finally succumbed to Kidney disease at his home in Auckland today, age 40.

He was considered Rugby's first superstar in the professional era. Although already NZs youngest All Black when picked in 1993,it was his high impact Semi Final match against England at the 1995 World Cup that cemented his sports star status.And changed the whole way the game would be played therein after.

Jonah was a straight A Wesley College student who excelled in mathmatics, accounting and at Athletics and was on the NZ junior track and field team and a very fast Decathlete. Rugby was his winter sport and managed to get into the NZ Colts side. After being approached by League interests, the NZRU secured him a position at Bank of New Zealand after leaving school.(in the amateur era).

An equally impressive All Black Sevens player, Jonah helped secure the first Sevens CWG gold medal at the 1998 Kuala Lumpur games.

He made an appearance at the 1999 RWC but early signs of a debilitating kidney disorder begin to be noticed.

A kidney transplant brought more time in 2004 so he could continue to play and carry on the promotional work for the IRB.

He played a major role in the opening ceremony of the 2011 RWC, but retired from a more vigorous schedule soon after as illness returned.A minor recovery allowed him to push on with charity work and opening an academy in Dubai with help from Adidas.

Jonah attended the recent 2015 edition as guest of World Rugby. He was unable to take a more hands on role but gave encouragement to the All Blacks who successfully defended their title.

He had just arrived home yesterday from Dubai with his wife and two young sons. It is believed he took ill just after leaving the airport and collapsed at home.

RIP Jonah.

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What a shame...40 is no age, especially for a powerhouse like Jonah.

Anyway, coming into the thread to mention Richie McCaw'sretirement, & that England have done what everyone expected & appointed Eddie Jones. Won't make any judgements till the 6 Nations.

Quite an up and down sort of week for Rugby...

As the country mourns for Jonah we are hearing stories and tributes from this wonderful and humble sports star from all walks of life. Amazed that he was so well known right across the world.

Richie hanging up his boots confirming his move into commercial aviation... But he will keep a foot in the door as he starts a family life in Wanaka (my home town) and did say he will return in an administration role in future... He is an astute businessman and has interests in the Southern Lakes District.

Eddie Jones!

Well big money talks, and England needed a lot of it. Eddie will need his excellent tactful manor to negotiate the mine field that is the England Club Rugby set up. Unlike the Southern Hemisphere, the Clubs call the shots with player negotiations over the National side. He has his work cut out for him but as his work history record, gets results.

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At least when his visa is sorted. Seriously, though, I'm very pleased we've got him.

Saw the hugely moving scenes from Jonah Lomu's memorial service the other day. It still just doesn't seem true that a man just a few years older than me, and who frightened the wits out of me and goodness knows how many other rugby fans in 1995, is no longer with us. A huge loss, in every sense of that word, not just to New Zealand, but to the whole of rugby.

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Sports Personality of the Year: Dan Carter wins 2015 Overseas award

Rugby World Cup-winning fly-half Dan Carter has been named 2015 BBC Overseas Sports Personality of the Year.

He beat Novak Djokovic, Katie Ledecky, Usain Bolt, Jordan Spieth and Serena Williams after the award was decided by a public vote for the first time.

Carter, 33, was an integral part of the New Zealand team that beat Australia 34-17 to win the World Cup in October.

The highest ever points scorer in Test rugby, he won the World Player of the Year award for a third time in 2015.

"I'm thrilled to have been voted BBC Overseas Sports Personality of the Year by the UK public," said Carter.

"It's been an incredible year for me on British soil and the support has been phenomenal.

"It was an incredibly competitive shortlist and I'm honoured to have been recognised alongside these great sportsmen and women from around the world."


List of previous years' winners:



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Yeah, congrats Dan! You know, he should've be considered for SI's Sportsman/woman of the Year. But rugby's of course not a sport of US sports mainstream attention. Yet, Ritchie McCaw's retirement was given a small piece among the Retirements of 2015 in that very issue.

Alexjc and Arwebb, at least Jonah got to live long enough to see his beloved New Zealand All Blacks while there in Twickenham to become the first-ever repeat champ in the Rugby World Cup era. Still, someone that big, fast, strong, and very scary for opponents and their fans (but have a huge heart inside) to die that soon at his age is tremendously sad. To be that talented while actually having that kidney issue even then is remarkable.

Super Rugby going to expand to include Argentina (Jaguares based in Buenos Aires). Japan/Singapore (Sunwolves), and another portion of South Africa (Southern Kings in Port Elizabeth playing at the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium) this upcoming season. Talk of Japan and how it will help rugby's global profile is well-chronicled here. With this, the Southern Hemisphere's rugby dominance won't dissipate anytime soon. Hopefully Rugby Challenge 3 will eventually add downloadable patches to include them.

Plans are afoot for a US pro rugby (union) league to kick off next year after a number of entities for several years tried and failed to get off the ground. Called PRO Rugby, it will have six teams in six cities with play from April-July for 10 games with a break for June international Test matches. San Francisco and Sacramento are confirmed. Philadelphia and Denver are slated to be up next for announcement. Next year expansion will take place and would touch on Canada, likely Vancouver and Toronto and Montreal.

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5 games of TV3's coverage from the 2015 Rugby World Cup were among the most-watched 20 TV programs in Ireland last year. 4 of them involve Ireland of course with the Ireland-France game the top one and lost out in the top spot to RTE 1's Late Late Toy Show. The next three after the Late Late Toy Show are Ireland Rugby World Cup games. Even the England-Australia RWC and the RBS 6 Nations Ireland-England matches (on RTE2) made the top 20:


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