munichfan 42 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 yeap and now comparing Qatar with turkey spain italy and Tokyo is ridicolous , even azerbaijan is much more good at sports. giving the olympics to a country wit NO medals NO sporting success NO sports legacy but just for the money, is daggering the whole Olympic spirit. Wrong! They've won TWO bronze medals . Why do you say "even Azerbaijan"? They've won 7 medals in Beijing, Turkey got only one more. I think race this time will be quite interesting. Three cities (Rome, Madrid, Tokyo) are in countries with enormous debt, Turkey has huge problems with Israel and hasn't got any chance to join EU, Baku - forget about it and Doha, really? Link to post Share on other sites
intoronto 650 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Wrong! They've won TWO bronze medals . Why do you say "even Azerbaijan"? They've won 7 medals in Beijing, Turkey got only one more. I think race this time will be quite interesting. Three cities (Rome, Madrid, Tokyo) are in countries with enormous debt, Turkey has huge problems with Israel and hasn't got any chance to join EU, Baku - forget about it and Doha, really? Actually the amount of medals they won from homegrown athletes is a big 0. Both medals were from Bulgarian athletes they bought. As I said earlier: 1) Why award a country that discriminates against women (no women had ever competed for Qatar at an Olympics) when the IOC is trying to make the Olympics with gender equality. 2) Why award a country that has won no medals with homegrown athletes (the two bronze medals won by Qatar so far are from athletes that were bought from other countries such as Bulgaria). 3) The weather why award a candidate an Olympics when other cities are willing to host it in the regular time frame. Most people will be in school/work in September/October meaning the interest won't be as high. Granted the games have been held before in September (but the country hosting deserved too). 4) Far more prestigious cities in the running (Tokyo, Madrid, Istanbul and Rome). 5) What kind of legacy are some of the venues going to leave? Most will end up as white elephants. 6) Big inequality exists in Qatari society, "Qatar is an absolute monarchy governed by Sharia law. The government holds no elections and power is assumed through family lineage. There are huge inequalities and massive human rights violations throughout the nation." 7) A country smaller then the Falkland Islands should not host (especially when the Falkland Islands don't have a NOC)! 8) Qatar won the 2022 bid by "buying" votes. Why should Qatar be awarded for this bribery? IOC members if your reading this consider the above! Link to post Share on other sites
FYI 1207 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 The IOC will not make themselves a public hypocrite by basing their decision to not award the games to Qatar on that issue seeing how easily they overlooked China. the IOC. Of course not. They will be hypocrites in private. Link to post Share on other sites
munichfan 42 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Well, I thought one was Bulgarian and one a Somalian. The only point that speakes for Doha is MONEY. For FIFA it was enough, but I hope for the IOC it isn't. Link to post Share on other sites
deawebo 77 Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 In some moments i think this race doesn't has solid bids, every bid has something bad... That makes this really intresting anyone can win. well Baku and Doha is not really likelly... Link to post Share on other sites
munichfan 42 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 You're right! If they would have bid, Durban could win it in the first round, but like this... it's a little bit annoying. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale86 47 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Of course not. They will be hypocrites in private. LMAO I love this. Funny yet true Link to post Share on other sites
Rob. 2054 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 The IOC will not make themselves a public hypocrite by basing their decision to not award the games to Qatar on that issue seeing how easily they overlooked China. The IOC chooses who does host an Olympics, not who doesn't. If they don't pick Doha, they don't have to justify why they didn't. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Rols 1902 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Secondly "Unless all 4 drop out, I just don't see how Doha can compete in any way except with money" To that I say in this cycle, that's the only way you need to compete. This is another furphy that gets tossed about all too frequently: the notion that if the IOC picks a “rich” host, like the USA or Qatar, they stand to make more money themselves. Sure, a good war chest helps to create an effective campaign (though it didn't help Tokyo's or Chicago's 2016 bids to win), and means the difference when it comes to actual games preparations between the hosts sticking to a strict budget or spending with no limit. But the IOC itself doesn't get reams of money back from the hosts they choose. Rather, their income comes from the other ancillary channels like the broadcasting and sponsorship rights, and the IOC then gives a lot of this back to the host – whether they really need it or not. If the host has any role in determining how much these avenues yield, it's in how attractive they are to sponsors and TV rights bidders. Would a Coke, a Panasonic, a McDonalds, an NBC or a Dow Chemicals themselves be prepared to bid more for the rights to a Games in, say, China, than for Qatar or Durban or Toronto or wherever? Frankly, I'm not sure Qatar, or the Gulf region in general, is a more attractive commercial proposition for such companies than anywhere else in the world. And even then, such thinking is probably moot, since most rights holders sign up for multi-games, multi-year contracts before hosts are even decided anyway. Unless you're talking about deep pockets meaning overt and bigger bribes to individual IOC members (which I'm sure none of us, however committed you are to a particular bidder, would like to see). And anyway, corruption allegations can be counter-productive to "legitimate" sources of income - witness Emirates (of all sponsors!) dropping their FIFA sponsorship specifically because of the ongoing stench surrounding the 2022 vote. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale86 47 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 This is another furphy that gets tossed about all too frequently: the notion that if the IOC picks a “rich” host, like the USA or Qatar, they stand to make more money themselves. This is not the reason why I said money will win this cycle. I was not alluding to Qatar bribing the ioc to give them bigger payout. I was alluding to the fact that we are in a global economic crisis and the person with the most money is most likely to guarantee that the physical elements of the games are achieved on time. that's all. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Rols 1902 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 This is not the reason why I said money will win this cycle. I was not alluding to Qatar bribing the ioc to give them bigger payout. I was alluding to the fact that we are in a global economic crisis and the person with the most money is most likely to guarantee that the physical elements of the games are achieved on time. that's all. Yas, that's a plus, but about the only plus that have. But I doubt any of the rest would have much trouble delivering either. I still think there's too many other negatives on t he Doha side of the equation, which have been gone over here at length, for the IOC to be otherwise but squeamish in accepting them. It's going to be interesting to see the first Bid Index. Link to post Share on other sites
Olympic Fan Darcy 323 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Seoul only had to compete with Nagoya, a second/third rate city at a time when no one wanted the Games. I think Australia was considering a bid for 1988. Had they bid, Korea might never have hosted the Summer Games to date. If the only competition Doha has is Baku, then I would support Doha. But unlike Seoul, Doha has stiff and better competition. yes two two other stiff and better competition Tokyo and Istanbul although Doha has the money Fair enough, obviously you're excited and inspired by the idea of Doha hosting. But I think that's leading you to overstate its chances, and understate its liabilities and it's oppositions' advantages. Sure, it could do it, but I just can't see any way it's anything but a long shot. Granted, I thought the same way about its chances for the 2022 WC, and I still think that decision is just bizarre. Haha yes maybe i am excited, i mean who doesnt want to see an upset LOL kidding There are only 2 real other threats, as much as rome and madrid try, i doubt the IOC will risk giving it to countries that are in severe money troubles. Istanbul probably will win and i'd love to see them host it aswell. I want doha to win but i know Istanbul win Link to post Share on other sites
Olympic Fan Darcy 323 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Actually the amount of medals they won from homegrown athletes is a big 0. Both medals were from Bulgarian athletes they bought. As I said earlier: 1) Why award a country that discriminates against women (no women had ever competed for Qatar at an Olympics) when the IOC is trying to make the Olympics with gender equality. 2) Why award a country that has won no medals with homegrown athletes (the two bronze medals won by Qatar so far are from athletes that were bought from other countries such as Bulgaria). 3) The weather why award a candidate an Olympics when other cities are willing to host it in the regular time frame. Most people will be in school/work in September/October meaning the interest won't be as high. Granted the games have been held before in September (but the country hosting deserved too). 4) Far more prestigious cities in the running (Tokyo, Madrid, Istanbul and Rome). 5) What kind of legacy are some of the venues going to leave? Most will end up as white elephants. 6) Big inequality exists in Qatari society, "Qatar is an absolute monarchy governed by Sharia law. The government holds no elections and power is assumed through family lineage. There are huge inequalities and massive human rights violations throughout the nation." 7) A country smaller then the Falkland Islands should not host (especially when the Falkland Islands don't have a NOC)! 8) Qatar won the 2022 bid by "buying" votes. Why should Qatar be awarded for this bribery? IOC members if your reading this consider the above! 9) Why should the IOC award the olympics to countries that are in severe financial crisis 10) Why award it to these countries when after 2013 they might have to pull out due to money issues Faukland island have 3000 people in the country, i understand you were making a point but maybe you couldve picked a country which actually has a close population to qatar Qatar should be sending 4 female athletes to the olympics this year. Link to post Share on other sites
tikus_kecil 21 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Why Qatar shouldn't be awarded the games ? Because they are not sporty enough, they won't the FIFA with bribery... How could you stage the biggest SPORT event in a country who use bribery to win it ? Link to post Share on other sites
Fernando223 0 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 It should not organize games, perhaps in the 2032 or 2036 if, but world soccer and games would be too award Link to post Share on other sites
munichfan 42 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Do you really think a country that has won just two bronze medals and let never participatre women in sports deserves to host it? And another point speaking against Doha: The oil reserves there aren't that big anymore. Maybe in 2030 or so there probably won't be anything left and Qatar will have to manage it with much less money. Link to post Share on other sites
Soaring 182 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I just spent hours running thousands of numbers based on the IOC's past decisions, and in my estimation Doha has a 0.00000000001% chance of winning the 2020 Summer Olympics. Link to post Share on other sites
Fernando223 0 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 No, for I do not he deserves nothing but faithful to his policy IOC carry games at sites where have never organized, end them will be Doha representing the Arab world, since I do not see Morocco or Egypt for now with enough chances Link to post Share on other sites
tikus_kecil 21 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Fernando223, where are you come from ? Seem like you come from a country with SOV language pattern, somewhere like Japan or Korea or Arab peninsula Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1702 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Nil. Doha bids to give the Royal family something else to do; and of course, they get to travel a lot. Lucky Mike Lee is all I can say!! Link to post Share on other sites
qatar son 333 7 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Do you really think a country that has won just two bronze medals and let never participatre women in sports deserves to host it? And another point speaking against Doha: The oil reserves there aren't that big anymore. Maybe in 2030 or so there probably won't be anything left and Qatar will have to manage it with much less money. WRONG, Qatars natural gas reserves are expected to last another 200 years, not to mention that by 2030 Qatars budget will be 100% non-hydrocarbon based, diverse economy, this is all going with accordance with the 2030 National Vision which has sport as one of it's pillars, this is why Qatar is investing heavily in sport, the last Olympic bid campaign had the "schools Olympic program" as a bid process legacy, that same program still goes on today, intact the nation has built on from the last bid and today we are celebrating the nations first ever "national sport day" !! Link to post Share on other sites
qatar son 333 7 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 National Sport Day http://superkoora.com/images/1327856077sportday.jpg[/ IMG] The second Tuesday of February is to be celebrated as National Sports Day in Qatar from the year 2012. Many series of sports events would be held through the country in both Public and Private sectors to emphasize sports among its population - national & expat. Qatar becomes one of the few nations to dedicate a day for sports. Link to post Share on other sites
intoronto 650 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 WRONG, Qatars natural gas reserves are expected to last another 200 years, not to mention that by 2030 Qatars budget will be 100% non-hydrocarbon based, diverse economy, this is all going with accordance with the 2030 National Vision which has sport as one of it's pillars, this is why Qatar is investing heavily in sport, the last Olympic bid campaign had the "schools Olympic program" as a bid process legacy, that same program still goes on today, intact the nation has built on from the last bid and today we are celebrating the nations first ever "national sport day" !! Yet you can't defend everything else he listed. Link to post Share on other sites
qatar son 333 7 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I covered everything else he stated long back, it's your choice if you believe it or not, the same way I respect your facts, you should respect mine. Sport is one of the pillars of growth for this country, Aspire academy, schools Olympic program and national sport day insure a prosperous future in sports. Women's participation in sports is well known in Qatar (Asian games, Arab games, youth Olympics) team and individual sports,,,. Link to post Share on other sites
tikus_kecil 21 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 With current situation, Doha is a black-horse in this race, i don't know but i get feeling that Doha has a better chance after Rome stepped down, Doha (and Baku) doesn't have problem with the money, something that haunt Madrid and Tokyo.... Link to post Share on other sites
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