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The Beijing Opening Ceremonies had about 3 billion not on tape delay.

source? I just ask because Im always skeptical about these conveniently rounded numbers of 3 billion or 2.5 billion watched this or so. How does anyone know? Did, say, Indian television or the power companies, when they counted 135,000,000 sets tuned in to the Beijing OC, cut off other sets that would've made the actual count 135,082,652? Maybe 352,789,461 Indians actually watched it? Maybe 352,789,641? 3 billion live is an awfully large number.

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source? I just ask because Im always skeptical about these conveniently rounded numbers of 3 billion or 2.5 billion watched this or so. How does anyone know? Did, say, Indian television or the power companies, when they counted 135,000,000 sets tuned in to the Beijing OC, cut off other sets that would've made the actual count 135,082,652? Maybe 352,789,461 Indians actually watched it? Maybe 352,789,641? 3 billion live is an awfully large number.

This is from my memory back in 2008. :lol:

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Viewership means nothing when it comes to being able to host.

As one esteemed poster once put it, hosting the Olympics is like hosting 28 World Championships at the same time while being under a magnifying glass 100x bigger then any other World Championship. The strain on infrastructure is larger then any other sporting event. It requires logistical planning, personal and support that is unmatched. All with military precision, otherwise you'll be criticized like Atlanta.

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Viewership means nothing when it comes to being able to host.

As one esteemed poster once put it, hosting the Olympics is like hosting 28 World Championships at the same time while being under a magnifying glass 100x bigger then any other World Championship. The strain on infrastructure is larger then any other sporting event. It requires logistical planning, personal and support that is unmatched. All with military precision, otherwise you'll be criticized like Atlanta.

Viewer ship means nothing? Does NBC know after paying billions. If the Olympics are the best then why doesn't the IOC put pressure on FIFA to have the best players compete in the Olympics. All of Spain came to a stand still for the World Cup. If it was the final game of the world cup vs the opening ceremonies in viewer ship which one would win (think outside the USA). CapeTown made a bid for 2004 but the brilliant minds of the IOC gave to Athens. Maybe their is no money for the IOC in Africa. Their have been only two going to be three cities that have the Olympics below the equator. What about India what about New Zealand.

Any city ( Athens, Beijing, Sydney, Barcelona Seoul even LA Paris) that has hosted the Olympics they can host them tomorrow . Sure that would mean that most facilities can be used again. but the IOC doesn't want that (Pairs should have 2012)

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Viewer ship means nothing? Does NBC know after paying billions. If the Olympics are the best then why doesn't the IOC put pressure on FIFA to have the best players compete in the Olympics. All of Spain came to a stand still for the World Cup. If it was the final game of the world cup vs the opening ceremonies in viewer ship which one would win (think outside the USA). CapeTown made a bid for 2004 but the brilliant minds of the IOC gave to Athens. Maybe their is no money for the IOC in Africa. Their have been only two going to be three cities that have the Olympics below the equator. What about India what about New Zealand.

Any city ( Athens, Beijing, Sydney, Barcelona Seoul even LA Paris) that has hosted the Olympics they can host them tomorrow . Sure that would mean that most facilities can be used again. but the IOC doesn't want that (Pairs should have 2012)

I don't ever know why I am responding because you are obviously as dense as a two-by-four but I digress.

How does viewership affect the ability of a city to host the Olympics? It doesn't. All that matters is local infrastructure and planning.

South Africa is not ready to host the Olympics now, let alone in 1997. It was a purely political decision to include Cape Town in the shortlist. The bidding was done before the more strict guidelines and evaluation came into play. Of the final 5 only Stockholm, Athens and Rome had credible bids, there was a terrorist attack in Stockholm just prior to the vote from an anti-Olympics extremist group and CONI was a very unliked organization at the time. Combined with Greek threats of withdrawing from the Olympic movement and Athens was awarded the games.

Look at a map, there is only two countries below the Equator that could host the Olympics: Brazil and Australia. Argentina and South Africa would need considerable investment and infrastructure upgrades to be able to host, something that is beyond the reach of both of them in the near future. A sizable portion of South Africa's population doesn't have electricity or running water for instance. And Argentina had issues hosting a Copa America.

And you do realize India is in the Northern Hemisphere right? And they couldn't even host a successful Commonwealth Games, let alone an Olympics. They are at least 30 years away. New Zealand is too small.

And no, no city could come up with the ability to host the Olympics tomorrow. The only one that would remotely come close is Los Angeles and they would still need at least two years. An Olympic Village, no city has one ready to go unless they are just about to host. Its the biggest hurdle the IOC would face if a city ever fell through again. Also adding in temporary venues and logistical planning and it just couldn't happen. If Something catastrophic happened to London tomorrow the Olympics would be cancelled. No city could host on such short notice, it would be beyond impossible. There is a reason the process to host an Olympics usually starts 10 years prior to curtain, because it takes that long to plan and execute the games. Rio de Janeiro started their Olympic dreams in 1996, they are hosting two decades later.

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Viewer ship means nothing? Does NBC know after paying billions. If the Olympics are the best then why doesn't the IOC put pressure on FIFA to have the best players compete in the Olympics. All of Spain came to a stand still for the World Cup. If it was the final game of the world cup vs the opening ceremonies in viewer ship which one would win (think outside the USA). CapeTown made a bid for 2004 but the brilliant minds of the IOC gave to Athens. Maybe their is no money for the IOC in Africa. Their have been only two going to be three cities that have the Olympics below the equator. What about India what about New Zealand.

Any city ( Athens, Beijing, Sydney, Barcelona Seoul even LA Paris) that has hosted the Olympics they can host them tomorrow . Sure that would mean that most facilities can be used again. but the IOC doesn't want that (Pairs should have 2012)

The Olympics are a completely different event than the World Cup. We could argue til the cows which is "better" or which one draws more interest. The World Cup is 1 event going on in multiple cities, so when you hit the final game, you're going to have a large audience paying attention. Whereas the Olympics is multiple events going on constantly, so it's hard to get everyone focused on 1 event. Either way, it has nothing to do with a city/country's ability to host the event. At the risk of over-simplifying things, the main requirements for a World Cup are 10-12 stadiums scattered throughout the country and ways for fans to get to/from them. Even the `94 World Cup wasn't too solid in that respect because the United States is a large country and it's not exactly cheap to get between 2 cities (as opposed to, say, Germany in 2006 where the entire country is covered by a pretty extensive rail network). Because of that, no 1 city has that big of a burden and most cities that would be considered to be a host site for a World Cup is either going to have a stadium already or could use a new one.

Now look at the Olympics. You're talking about 10,000 athletes and probably about 20,000 members of the media all staying in 1 city for 2-3 weeks, on top of all the spectators and visitors coming into town. You don't just need 1 stadium, you need a couple dozen, some of which even the world's largest cities don't have (even Los Angeles doesn't have all those ready to go right now, including the most important one.. the athletics venue). So again, I ask you since you think to seem to be missing what the size and scope of the Olympics are that have nothing to do with television.. what CITY in South Africa is going to be able to provide everything an Olympics requires since you seem to think it's that automatic simply because they hosted a World Cup (and paid a lot of money to do it).

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Viewer ship means nothing? Does NBC know after paying billions. If the Olympics are the best then why doesn't the IOC put pressure on FIFA to have the best players compete in the Olympics. All of Spain came to a stand still for the World Cup. If it was the final game of the world cup vs the opening ceremonies in viewer ship which one would win (think outside the USA). CapeTown made a bid for 2004 but the brilliant minds of the IOC gave to Athens. Maybe their is no money for the IOC in Africa. Their have been only two going to be three cities that have the Olympics below the equator. What about India what about New Zealand.

Any city ( Athens, Beijing, Sydney, Barcelona Seoul even LA Paris) that has hosted the Olympics they can host them tomorrow . Sure that would mean that most facilities can be used again. but the IOC doesn't want that (Pairs should have 2012)

olympikfan, think of it this way...WC - one UGLY trophy you can't take home...Olympics - 302 nice gold medals you can take home and play with. ;)

Total telecast hours: WC - approx 120 hours (w/ all the overtime)...a Summer Olympics could telecast as much as 950+ hours if it telecast EVERY event. The WC may attract the largest simultaneous audience for ONE EVENT for its finals; but if you add ALL the audiences who watched an Olympic event (i.e., if you followed 8 or 9 sports during the 2 week period), the Olympics (and you have two...Summer and Winter) would overwhelm the WC numbers.

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Ok the debate between the World Cup and the Olympics can be set in another forum. Lets go back to the issue, is their money for the IOC in Africa? Why does the IOC snub Africa (1976). Maybe the IOC needs more members from Africa to make the final push. And why does the world fear sporting events in Africa? Can some please show the stats where their got 20000 from the media.

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Ok the debate between the World Cup and the Olympics can be set in another forum. Lets go back to the issue, is their money for the IOC in Africa? Why does the IOC snub Africa (1976). Maybe the IOC needs more members from Africa to make the final push. And why does the world fear sporting events in Africa? Can some please show the stats where their got 20000 from the media.

The IOC's not snubbing Africa. It can't award it to Africa unless Africa bids. And that's only happened seriously once, for 2004. It was probably not really ready at that stage, but even so, it was given support as a sign of encouragement by the IOC. This time round, for 2020, the IOC was practically begging SA to bid. It was South Africa's decision not to bid. The IOC can't force them to vote.

And that's before you get into the debate over whether any single city in Africa can capably do it yet. Or the social responsibiliy of holding a hyper-expensive carnival in a continent that struggles to meet just basic needs for a large part of its population. Or why is there an urgency to go to Africa? How are the Olympics going to get into great difficulties by not going to Africa yet?

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Ok the debate between the World Cup and the Olympics can be set in another forum. Lets go back to the issue, is their money for the IOC in Africa? Why does the IOC snub Africa (1976). Maybe the IOC needs more members from Africa to make the final push. And why does the world fear sporting events in Africa? Can some please show the stats where their got 20000 from the media.

1976 was more Africa snubbing the IOC than the other way around. The African nations asked for retribution against New Zealand (largely in connection with a sport the IOC doesn't sanction), the IOC said no, so they all boycotted.

As for the here and now.. I don't think it's that people fear sporting events in Africa. I'm sure some felt that way before the World Cup last year, but that event went off pretty smoothly, so there's no reason to think it couldn't happen again. The problem now if you're South Africa is that you just spent all this money on the World Cup, so for a nation that has a world of socio-economic issues, are they ready to invest in an event like the Olympics? That's part of the reason they didn't try for 2020 when everyone was expecting them to. I can't imagine that the folks from South Africa looked at it as "we won't win, so we shouldn't bid" and more like "this is too big of an undertaking AFTER we just hosted a World Cup." And like we've been saying.. with the World Cup, you're spreading the responsibility to host across an entire country, not asking 1 city to shoulder the burden.

And in terms of the media numbers... http://sportsbiznews.blogspot.com/2008/07/countdown-to-2008-beijing-olympics.html

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I just read it. Was particularly amused by this line..

The World Cup dwarfs the Olympics. Television companies pay mere millions for rights to the Olympics, billions for the World Cup. A pitch-side hoarding at the World Cup costs $800,000 per match. That is a lot of bloody beer. Media representatives will number 15,000.

Funny how this came from a site on 2012 Olympics for which NBC paid well over a billion dollars. Also found these 2 articles..

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/business/media/24rights.html

http://www.onscreenasia.com/article-3172-beijingolympicstvrightsrevenuetopus25bn-onscreenasia.html

According to that, the 2010 World Cup generated $2.15 billion in television revenue. The Olympics generated about $2.5 billion.

We can continue to go back and forth on this, but to your original point.. until a country and a city in Africa put forth a suitable bid for the Summer Olympics, it's not going to happen. And no amount of facts and figures on the World Cup makes that an automatic qualifier.

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Yes your until a bid from Africa is the IOC will just have to wait hopefully by the mid century the Olympics will reach Africa. But the Olympics are great but the World Cup is the Main Event!

Olympik...maybe for you. I can do without the World Cup; I can't do without the (Winter) Olympics.

So anyway, what's your point? Africa's already hosted the World Cup...so why does it matter to you whether it lands the Olympics or not? :blink:

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The Beijing Opening Ceremonies had about 3 billion not on tape delay.

lol what? are you trying to say half of the world population stopped at the same time to watch a fucking 4hours ceremony?

Oh, and let's not even talk the timezone problems...

Maybe you're talking about the cumulative audience of the opening ceremonies. That would make sense due to the China population alone...

Anyway, FIFA cumulative audiences trumps any sportive event in the world.

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Africa will host as soon as either:

1. A country in Africa is both politically stable and has sufficiently met it's population's basic needs that it can spend the money to host the Olympics.

2. The IOC changes how it evaulates cities, giving lower costs bids a chance to win.

Gonna be interesting to see which happens first. In any case, I don't see either happening in the next 10 years, so I'll go with 2032+

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