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Touché! But anyways, if Qatar isbt to big there will be empety seats all the time, maybe in the WC the will invite Manama to join in their venue plans and there will be Bahrain hosting it too. Still there are 11 years till this WC, just hope Qatar makes a ENORMOUS efforts... *still wanting the US or Australlia being the host*

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Just read something somewhere...can't remember now...that Doha is hosting ANOTHER big international summit in, I think, 2015. It's something really important in terms of int'l conferences. It's like the...and this is quite ironic, the U.N. Climate Change seesion like that one that's winding up in Durban this week.

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I'm starting not to care about 2020. If the IOC is that gullable in wanting to award Doha the 2020 Olympics, so be it. I'll start to loose some faith & interest in the Olympic Movement probably if that were the case, or maybe not, IDK.

But things will be clearer once the Executive Board makes it's decision on the Candidates in May 2012. If Doha is included, & with little scrutiny on their part, then I'd say the IOC could very well bite. If they're included, but with very extreme caution challenging their bid, then very likely that their Olympic goose is cooked. Or if the E.B. just altogether declines their bid, then that would answer it early on.

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I'm starting not to care about 2020. If the IOC is that gullable in wanting to award Doha the 2020 Olympics, so be it. I'll start to loose some faith & interest in the Olympic Movement probably if that were the case, or maybe not, IDK.

But things will be clearer once the Executive Board makes it's decision on the Candidates in May 2012. If Doha is included, & with little scrutiny on their part, then I'd say the IOC could very well bite. If they're included, but with very extreme caution challenging their bid, then very likely that their Olympic goose is cooked. Or if the E.B. just altogether declines their bid, then that would answer it early on.

maybe the IOC wants to give a chance to Istanbul, that's a new horizon too and will be great :D or maybe reward Madrid for being perseverant ;) dont loose your chances for having an intresting race for 2020 ;)

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I'm starting not to care about 2020. If the IOC is that gullable in wanting to award Doha the 2020 Olympics, so be it. I'll start to loose some faith & interest in the Olympic Movement probably if that were the case, or maybe not, IDK.

But things will be clearer once the Executive Board makes it's decision on the Candidates in May 2012. If Doha is included, & with little scrutiny on their part, then I'd say the IOC could very well bite. If they're included, but with very extreme caution challenging their bid, then very likely that their Olympic goose is cooked. Or if the E.B. just altogether declines their bid, then that would answer it early on.

I agree if Doha wins the interest in the Olympic movement by hardcore fans like myself and you will drop.

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well i personally will send a mail to IOC if Doha wins :) and wont ever watch the games and use the sponsors stuff ever... awarding the biggest sports event to a country with no sporting success and medals ever in the games is an insult for other candidates... :angry:

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Just read something somewhere...can't remember now...that Doha is hosting ANOTHER big international summit in, I think, 2015. It's something really important in terms of int'l conferences. It's like the...and this is quite ironic, the U.N. Climate Change seesion like that one that's winding up in Durban this week.

Indeed, you're right. Qatar will host the 2015 World Men Handball Championships (they defeated Poland and France). Obviously it will be on January because of the hot summer.

http://www.q2015.com/welcome/

And don't worry people. The IOC probably saw all the batshit rage from people against FIFA after they awarded the WC to Qatar. They will probably be cautious and not risk their necks like Blatter did. I mean, IAAF was cautious and took the right choice.

However it's primordial they keep trying in order for them to gain experience for future bids. That's how I see it.

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As far as i see the main problem with Doha is the small population... That means low attendences to stadia...

There is far more!

1) Why award a country that discriminates against women (no women had ever competed for Qatar at an Olympics) when the IOC is trying to make the Olympics with gender equality.

2) Why award a country that has won no medals with homegrown athletes (the two bronze medals won by Qatar so far are from athletes that were bought from other countries such as Bulgaria).

3) The weather why award a candidate an Olympics when other cities are willing to host it in the regular time frame. Most people will be in school/work in September/October meaning the interest won't be as high. Granted the games have been held before in September (but the country hosting deserved too).

4) Far more prestigious cities in the running (Tokyo, Madrid, Istanbul and Rome).

5) What kind of legacy are some of the venues going to leave? Most will end up as white elephants.

6) Big inequality exists in Qatari society, "Qatar is an absolute monarchy governed by Sharia law. The government holds no elections and power is assumed through family lineage. There are huge inequalities and massive human rights violations throughout the nation."

7) A country smaller then the Falkland Islands should not host (especially when the Falkland Islands don't have a NOC)!

8) Qatar won the 2022 bid by "buying" votes. Why should Qatar be awarded for this bribery?

IOC members if your reading this consider the above! :lol:

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There is far more!

1) Why award a country that discriminates against women (no women had ever competed for Qatar at an Olympics) when the IOC is trying to make the Olympics with gender equality.

2) Why award a country that has won no medals with homegrown athletes (the two bronze medals won by Qatar so far are from athletes that were bought from other countries such as Bulgaria).

3) The weather why award a candidate an Olympics when other cities are willing to host it in the regular time frame.

Most people will be in school/work in September/October meaning the interest won't be as high. Granted the games have been held before in September (but the country hosting deserved too).

4) Far more prestigious cities in the running (Tokyo, Madrid, Istanbul and Rome).

5) What kind of legacy are some of the venues going to

leave? Most will end up as white elephants.

6) Big inequality exists in Qatari society, "Qatar is an absolute monarchy governed by Sharia law. The government holds no elections and power is assumed through family lineage. There are huge inequalities and

massive human rights violations throughout the nation."

7) A country smaller then the Falkland Islands should not host (especially when the Falkland Islands don't have a

NOC)!

8) Qatar won the 2022 bid by "buying" votes. Why should Qatar be awarded for this bribery?

IOC members if your reading this consider the above! :lol:

You're right all up there! But the IOC is a more inteligent that FIFA (i hope so) maybe they'll just let Doha as a candidate, but i dobt think that they have ANY chance.... The IOC want's a new frontier, there you have ISTANBUL ;)

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Indeed, you're right. Qatar will host the 2015 World Men Handball Championships (they defeated Poland and France). Obviously it will be on January because of the hot summer.

Actually, since 2001, all editions of the Men's World Handball Championship have taken place in January/February, so this time it's not about the climate, but about the international federation schedule ;)

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There is far more!

1) Why award a country that discriminates against women (no women had ever competed for Qatar at an Olympics) when the IOC is trying to make the Olympics with gender equality.

2) Why award a country that has won no medals with homegrown athletes (the two bronze medals won by Qatar so far are from athletes that were bought from other countries such as Bulgaria).

3) The weather why award a candidate an Olympics when other cities are willing to host it in the regular time frame. Most people will be in school/work in September/October meaning the interest won't be as high. Granted the games have been held before in September (but the country hosting deserved too).

4) Far more prestigious cities in the running (Tokyo, Madrid, Istanbul and Rome).

5) What kind of legacy are some of the venues going to leave? Most will end up as white elephants.

6) Big inequality exists in Qatari society, "Qatar is an absolute monarchy governed by Sharia law. The government holds no elections and power is assumed through family lineage. There are huge inequalities and massive human rights violations throughout the nation."

7) A country smaller then the Falkland Islands should not host (especially when the Falkland Islands don't have a NOC)!

8) Qatar won the 2022 bid by "buying" votes. Why should Qatar be awarded for this bribery?

IOC members if your reading this consider the above! :lol:

I totally agree with the above. Any one of these reasons is sufficient to keep Doha off the short-list. All of them together are more than enough. I will be irritated if Doha becomes a candidate. I will be apoplectic if they're not eliminated in the first round. My head will explode if they win.

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Even if ALL of those weren't issues (and they are), I would still prefer the IOC went elsewhere. I've said this before, and I don't mean it to be a criticism of Brazil or anything its doing since it's just a personal preference, but I really don't think the impact of a Brazilian Games will be as great as it ought to be. That's because we'll have seen Brazil in all her glory just two short years earlier as the country hosts the World Cup. I'm just trying to imagine my reaction to a Chinese World Cup in 2010, or a South African Olympics in 2012, and whilst in isolation both are intriguing prospects, I'm quite certain I wouldn't be as excited about them having seen both those countries hosting mega-events within very recent memory.

Two helpings of Doha two years apart. I'd rather not.

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I totally agree with the above. Any one of these reasons is sufficient to keep Doha off the short-list. All of them together are more than enough. I will be irritated if Doha becomes a candidate. I will be apoplectic if they're not eliminated in the first round. My head will explode if they win.

I would as well!

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Do you honestly think the IOC will move forward with Baku? I mean... really? For real?

I mean I am sure Baku could throw enough money (like Doha) around to build everything and I am sure the Games would be well run but... Baku?

Lets see how they handle Eurovision first :)

I think the IOC will risk the non-furore that just dropping Baku will cause.

I'll be shellshocked if there is not a 5 city shortlist. Doha proved last time they have the requisite infrastructure and hosting experience to make the list. They should have made the 2016 list except their hosting window was not allowed. That is not the case this time.

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Baku is making a good a profetional start... Lets see how do they develop their mini bid book, maybe Baku's one is the one that intrigates me the most. Their plan will be WAY TOO DIFFRENT compared to the 2016's one...

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1) Why award a country that discriminates against women (no women had ever competed for Qatar at an Olympics) when the IOC is trying to make the Olympics with gender equality.

There is no discrimination against women, what are you talking about !? this is not Iran or Saudi Arabia. :rolleyes:

The only reason women were not included for the 2008 Beijing Games is because they didn't qualify in any sport, Sheik Saoud said. He added that Qatar is talking to the IOC about sending female athletes to the games next year on wild-card invitations. "That's the thing with the Olympics. They can't go if they don't qualify," Sheik Saoud said. http://kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=ODkxMzE4NzY0MA=

In May, one of the four women running in the Municipal Council elections won a seat. Women’s rights activists said they were confident the score would be improved in the next elections in four years.

Qatar’s National Development Strategy (NDS) 2011-2016 said that the number of women in leadership positions would be increased by 30 per cent. http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/qatar/qatari-women-moving-forward-with-more-rights-expert-says-1.955444

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2) Why award a country that has won no medals with homegrown athletes (the two bronze medals won by Qatar so far are from athletes that were bought from other countries such as Bulgaria).

By hosting the Olympics many athletes will be allowed to participate and thus gain more medals, besides this is an invalid criticism because you cannot blame a country with only 300,000 locals for having a low ability to gain medals. Its very hard for them to qualify for the Olympic Games. HOWEVER, looking at events that were hosted in Qatar:

Asian Games 2006: GOLD-9 SILVER-12 BRONZE-11 TOTAL-32 (359 Qatari Athletes)

Arab Games 2011: GOLD-32 SILVER-38 BRONZE-40 TOTAL-110 (370 Qatari Athletes)

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3) The weather why award a candidate an Olympics when other cities are willing to host it in the regular time frame. Most people will be in school/work in September/October meaning the interest won't be as high. Granted the games have been held before in September (but the country hosting deserved too).

Like the World cup If the IOC needs it to be ONLY in summer than they will make sure it goes perfectly under their criteria (again, mentioning indoor, air-conditioning, shading and night time sports)

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4) Far more prestigious cities in the running (Tokyo, Madrid, Istanbul and Rome).

cities that hosted the Olympics before :( Istanbul, Baku and Doha should be given more interest.

5) What kind of legacy are some of the venues going to leave? Most will end up as white elephants.

The 2006 Asian games went well with a great legacy, Khalifa Stadium hosted many events including the Asian Cup, the Arab Games and several international friendlies such as Brazil vs England or Brazil vs Argentina, it also hosts the Emir cup final on an annual basis.

Aspire Dome hosted the IAAF indoor championships in 2010, it is also a major training facility for the Aspire sports academy it hosts on an annual basis the School Olympics Program.

The Khalifa swimming center is a year long training facility + it hosted several FINA events and will be hosting FINA world cup 2012-2013.

Doha hosted the IHF Handball Super globe in 2007, 2010 and 2011 at the women indoor hall used at the asian games in 2006.

Doha will be hosting the 2015 IHF world championships.

70% of the facilities for the Olympics ARE ALREADY BUILT and being used constantly (There are around 40 GCC/Asian/International sports events hosted in Qatar every year), facilities that will not be needed after the Olympics would be dismantled like the 2022 football stadiums where 9 out of 12 stadiums will have their capacity reduced by 50%. (in the 2006 Asian Games the velodrome and beach volleyball facilities were temporary as they were not needed after the games).

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6) Big inequality exists in Qatari society, "Qatar is an absolute monarchy governed by Sharia law. The government holds no elections and power is assumed through family lineage. There are huge inequalities and massive human rights violations throughout the nation."

Where is the inequality in Qatari society ? what are your sources ? Why does it matter if the government is an absolute monarchy ? The citizens of this county love the ruling family for what they have done for Qatar and its people.

Not to mention that parliamentary elections are going to take place in 2013, Municipal elections have been in place for a long time now and the most recent was this year.

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7) A country smaller then the Falkland Islands should not host (especially when the Falkland Islands don't have a NOC)!

Invalid argument, There is no such law/rule/guideline that states such a random statement of not allowing a small country to host the Olympic Games. This country hosted the Asian Games, Arab Games, Asian Cup (twice) and will be hosting the 2015 IHF Championships and the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

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8) Qatar won the 2022 bid by "buying" votes. Why should Qatar be awarded for this bribery?

Until today there is absolutely NO proof that this happened, so until an investigation happens and evidence is actually found, any international organization cannot treat Qatar as if it did bribe FIFA because they have no proof to back it up.

And guess what, THERE WILL NOT BE AN INVESTIGATION, Qatar has been selected by FIFA to host the 2022 world cup and it will take place as planned, Blatter clarified that the decision is irreversible and FINAL. So stop whining about the host selection process/result because it will not change. Even Qatari officials from QOC have actually closed the 2022 process and are now focusing on other things such as 2018 FIVB bid, 2019 IAAF bid and 2020 Olympics bid.

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There is no discrimination against women, what are you talking about !? this is not Iran or Saudi Arabia. :rolleyes:

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By hosting the Olympics many athletes will be allowed to participate and thus gain more medals, besides this is an invalid criticism because you cannot blame a country with only 300,000 locals for having a low ability to gain medals. Its very hard for them to qualify for the Olympic Games. HOWEVER, looking at events that were hosted in Qatar:

Asian Games 2006: GOLD-9 SILVER-12 BRONZE-11 TOTAL-32 (359 Qatari Athletes)

Arab Games 2011: GOLD-32 SILVER-38 BRONZE-40 TOTAL-110 (370 Qatari Athletes)

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Like the World cup If the IOC needs it to be ONLY in summer than they will make sure it goes perfectly under their criteria (again, mentioning indoor, air-conditioning, shading and night time sports)

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cities that hosted the Olympics before :( Istanbul, Baku and Doha should be given more interest.

The 2006 Asian games went well with a great legacy, Khalifa Stadium hosted many events including the Asian Cup, the Arab Games and several international friendlies such as Brazil vs England or Brazil vs Argentina, it also hosts the Emir cup final on an annual basis.

Aspire Dome hosted the IAAF indoor championships in 2010, it is also a major training facility for the Aspire sports academy it hosts on an annual basis the School Olympics Program.

The Khalifa swimming center is a year long training facility + it hosted several FINA events and will be hosting FINA world cup 2012-2013.

Doha hosted the IHF Handball Super globe in 2007, 2010 and 2011 at the women indoor hall used at the asian games in 2006.

Doha will be hosting the 2015 IHF world championships.

70% of the facilities for the Olympics ARE ALREADY BUILT and being used constantly (There are around 40 GCC/Asian/International sports events hosted in Qatar every year), facilities that will not be needed after the Olympics would be dismantled like the 2022 football stadiums where 9 out of 12 stadiums will have their capacity reduced by 50%. (in the 2006 Asian Games the velodrome and beach volleyball facilities were temporary as they were not needed after the games).

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Where is the inequality in Qatari society ? what are your sources ? Why does it matter if the government is an absolute monarchy ? The citizens of this county love the ruling family for what they have done for Qatar and its people.

Not to mention that parliamentary elections are going to take place in 2013, Municipal elections have been in place for a long time now and the most recent was this year.

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Invalid argument, There is no such law/rule/guideline that states such a random statement of not allowing a small country to host the Olympic Games. This country hosted the Asian Games, Arab Games, Asian Cup (twice) and will be hosting the 2015 IHF Championships and the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

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Until today there is absolutely NO proof that this happened, so until an investigation happens and evidence is actually found, any international organization cannot treat Qatar as if it did bribe FIFA because they have no proof to back it up.

And guess what, THERE WILL NOT BE AN INVESTIGATION, Qatar has been selected by FIFA to host the 2022 world cup and it will take place as planned, Blatter clarified that the decision is irreversible and FINAL. So stop whining about the host selection process/result because it will not change. Even Qatari officials from QOC have actually closed the 2022 process and are now focusing on other things such as 2018 FIVB bid, 2019 IAAF bid and 2020 Olympics bid.

1) WHY HASN'T A WOMEN FROM QATAR EVER COMPETED AT AN OLYMPIC GAMES? DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WOMEN. QUALIFICATION IS NOT NEEDED HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF WILDCARD PLACES IN SWIMMING AND ATHLETICS?

2) MORE ATHLETES DOES NOT MEAN MORE MEDALS! (FOR EX. NORWAY WON MORE MEDALS THEN RUSSIA AT THE VANCOUVER GAMES) IS IT OUR FAULT QATAR HAS SUCH A LOW POPULATION? NO THIS ISN'T THE ASIAN GAMES THESE ARE THE OLYMPICS.

3) HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE MARATHON? WALKS? THOSE CAN'T HAPPEN IN THE DARK DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS.

4) SURE THEY HOSTED BEFORE I AGREE THAT OTHER CITIES SHOULD GET THE CHANCE BUT ISTANBUL WOULD BE THE BEST CHOICE OUT OF THE CITIES BIDDING.

5) POINT TAKEN WASN'T AWARE OF ALL OF THESE ACTIVITIES.

6) THAT WAS TAKEN DIRECTLY OF A WEBSITE I QUOTED.

http://money.ca.msn.com/investing/canada-slips-in-global-corruption-rankings?page=3

7) PURELY AN OPINION WHY SHOULD SUCH A SMALL COUNTRY HOST?

8) IT IS GENERALLY ACCEPTED QATAR BOUGHT THE BID, ASK EVERYONE HERE. OBVIOUSLY FIFA ISN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO IT DOESN'T SHAME THE ORGANIZATION. OH AND WHO WAS THE FIRST PERSON SUSPENDED WHEN THE FIFA CORRUPTION SCANDAL STARTED? A QATARI.

SORRY FOR CAPS LOCK DIDN'T NOTICE IT WAS ON UNTIL HALF WAY.

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I think the same in these facts: Well, I think the fact that a marathon and walks at night??? Man! That's crazy! :S

Also the corruption fact in FIFA was way to obious maybe.

I would like to see Doha hosting JUST a FINA championships.

By the way good to see a member from Qatar, you can help us with Doha's info ;)

Do you know when will Doha's logo be unvieled?

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