qatar son 333 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 But I just can't believe that all those venues are planned and not additional. Why should you build e.g. an IBC or MPC without hosting the Olympics? Because the actual buildings are already planned for something else, in this case Qatar university facilities, housing etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I totally agree that Doha choose Lusail for ceremonies it will be a great stadium! since Khalifa Stadium isn't to "beautiful" hahaha any news on Doha's applicant file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 But having 2 ceremonies in a row that isn't held in a stadium with that all important athletics track is a no go. Is it really such a huge deal? Jim856796's histrionics aside, there are some good arguments for such a trend. Sure, it might be nice on paper to have huge stadiums capable of hosting athletics, but there really does seem to be a backlash in recent times in how suited for post-games use are athletics capable stadiums. You only have to see the saga regarding post-games use of London's stadium to see that the professional football world (the most likely future users of Olympic stadiums) is not enamoured of the sight lines and atmosphere of the larger pitches required, and the notion also seems to be a stumbling block for potential US bidders wanting to ensure a post-games use for the investment required for a main games stadium. The games have to move with the times and there's no benefit to hang onto tradition just for the sake of it when it really makes it more difficult to ensure a viable future legacy. The winter games have managed to evolve and be more flexible without being destroyed – I don't see why the SOGs have to be so sacrosanct and hidebound to moribund tradition for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 the lusail stadium's the dumbest one. doha, what is wrong with the xmas present or the ad scroll stadia??? lusail is ugly. even the 60s mod furniture ark would look better from a blimp on tv. remember, doha, in 2022 we'll be watching things in 3D. no one thinks ahead like i do, and still no one has asked me to consult on the bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 just i remember... torch relay in qatar.?? lol it will be funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 But they've got loads of interesting cities it can visit, ask FIFA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 But they've got loads of interesting cities it can visit, ask FIFA! 10 cities... what they gonna do? burn the torch 15 days before the opening? ahahahhahahha torrch relay 15 days, games in november, and the total venues capacity is the same with whole countries local population:) after thinking these Doha becomes very absurd for me.. sorry :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munichfan Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 and the total venues capacity is the same with whole countries local population:) It's a little bit bewildering. German Wikipedia talks about 520,000 inhabitants in 2010, the English one of 1,450,000 in 2011. Did they change the city limits? But yeah, if you take those 520k their proposed venues offer more seats than Doha has inhabitants and only about 20k less than of which the German Wikipedia says that it is the metro population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm sure a Torch Relay would include all of the Middle East & not just Qatar, if for some strange reason(s) they were awarded the Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 after beijing the host country will allowed to have a torch relay in their lands as IOC decided... no other... as i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think Qatar's bid is more a "whole Arab World" bid, just like they did with the WC... 'Cuz otherwise it won't make sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 If, & that's a big if, Doha was awarded the 2020 Games, the IOC would probably have to tweak their own rules again. Bcuz Qatar would mark the smallest nation ever to host an Olympics, the IOC would most likely want as much awareness & excitement about the upcoming Games as possible. China's Torch Relay was a political debacle, because it traveled the world, went through Democratic countries such as the U.S. & the U.K. where of course people were going to come out & protest against the Communist Chinese government. The IOC should've seen that one coming, (but then again, maybe they didn't have too much say in the matter since the Chinese were so gung-ho about controlling their own Olympics). But for Doha, opening the T.R. only to the Middle East wouldn't be nearly as politically dramatic, if at all, like the Beijing T.R. was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 @LOL at torch relay in Qatar. You can cover the entire country in one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 i dont think a torch relay could be any worse then china, lol that was a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 ^^ Chinese officials and organizers knew that there would be protests in locations of the torch relay where things were a bit more liberal and democratic, whilst in quiet places like Pyongyang, things would be more orderly. That comes with the territory for a Chinese Olympics and a global torch relay. Which is a shame really, if things were much more stable in the Middle East at the time I would have loved a torch relay involving an ancient civilization (and Asia) torch route. Olympia - Athens - Rome - Alexandria - Giza - Cairo - Jerusalem - Damascus - Baghdad - Tehran - Kabul - Islamabad - Delhi - Kathmandu - Mount Everest - Dhaka - Yangon - Vientiane - Bangkok - Phnom Penh - Ho Chi Minh City - Manila - Kaohsiung - Nagasaki - Hiroshima - Tokyo - Seoul - Pyongyang - Routes within China, stopping Hong Kong and Macao, possibly passing through Mongolia - Beijing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphamale86 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I thought I read that they were cutting all global torch relays and sticking to the greece and host nation legs. The IOC said that even the Athens relay was a logistical nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 ^^ Hmm that over the top relay (although they can rightfully claim that they were the first) doesn't come cheap. Athens produced 1,000's of torches specifically for that relay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ñuto Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Is the Lusail Iconic Stadium in Doha or in Al Daayen? The Olympic Charter (34.1): "The Opening and Closing Ceremonies must take place in the host city itself" An article about this point (in spanish): http://olimpismo2007.blogspot.com/2012/02/juegos-olimpicos-2020-las-candidatas.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Is the Lusail Iconic Stadium in Doha or in Al Daayen? The Olympic Charter (34.1): "The Opening and Closing Ceremonies must take place in the host city itself" An article about this point (in spanish): http://olimpismo2007...candidatas.html Qatarson explained that earlier that is part of the Greater Doha area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ñuto Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 yes. is in Doha area, but is in Doha municipality? That is the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 yes. is in Doha area, but is in Doha municipality? That is the question I don't think so, but the bid won't win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munichfan Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 No, it's in Al Daayen, but only about two kilometres from Doha.If it'sa problem for the IOC, the Emir may change thee city limits. Since there is no democracy in Qatar, it shouldn't be too difficult for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ñuto Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 But is a BIG mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munichfan Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Maybe it doesn't interest the IOC 'cause they might think yet that 2020 will be awarded to either Madrid or Tokyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qatar son 333 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 It doesn't matter, you can count it as a city on it's own or a mere suburb, all the rules can be twisted and played with according to desires,, ,,. Doha 2006 Asian games ceremonies took place in khalifa stadium (Alrayyan municipality / city / whatever) but it's still part of Doha in general. So it's all good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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