How much can a Doha 2020 Bid weaken an Istanbul 2020 Bid?

[fatixxx]

How much can a Doha 2020 Bid weaken an Istanbul 2020 Bid?

Or do we have to question it vice versa .. Can an Istanbul Bid weakn a Doha Bid.

* Doha Splashed into th 2020 race, and now the notions coming in about the fact that the Qataris will weaken Istanbul;

- in the first voting round

- to get booped out and not shortlisted

- to break the promotion attempts

- to split for sure the Arab a/o Asian votes

- How much (in or not in percentages) can Doha weaken Istanbul?

- On wich fields must Istanbul face a lot of energy to put in for an Doha 2020 attack

- Or is Doha purely spoiling the chances of Istanbul

- Will Istanbul come out of the race without any harmfull damage made by an Doha 2020 bid?

Let share all the ideas about this question here:

regards

Note: To Baron or CAF; I am not a premium member. Do you have the possibility to add a poll on top of this topic.

Question: How much can a Doha 2020 Bid weaken an Istanbul 2020 Bid?

Answer possibilities: 1/ 100% 2/ 80 procent 3/ 60 procent 4 / 50 procent 5/ under the 40 percent

[deawebo]

A 4...!! Istanbul's bid is (at the moment) the most economic stable... And its a better choice if you want Musuml olympics, but Doha will take more arab votes....

[intoronto]

It doesn't because Doha will be the candidate eliminated in the first round. (Opinion)

[baron-pierreIV]

fatih,

#1 - I can't add a poll because you opened up this thread.

#2 - Doha will only weaken an Istanbul bid in the opening round. Where Istanbul might be #1 or #2 w/o Doha; w/ DOha in there, Istanbul might be #3 or #4. So I am guessing this is how 1st round would go - either way..

a) Rome - 26

Madrid - 24

Tokyo - 18

Istanbul - 15

Doha - 11

b ) Rome - 26

Madrid - 24

Istanbul - 18

Tokyo - 16

Doha - 10

Doha, at least one is hoping, probably won't knock Istanbul out; but it will certainly bring Istanbul down a few pegs. And then who knows how Round 2 will go. Those die-hard Doha/Dubai supporters might want to try again in 2024; therefore, they will jump ship to Tokyo, in which case Istanbul might fall by Round 2.

[Olympic Fan Darcy]

in my honest opinion

I think madrid is gonan be knocked out first round

i dont know which will fail to make candidacy maybe its like 2008with 5 bids?

with spains current problems i think ioc may pass on them whereas doha has alot of money to use and instanbul also is quite stable

i think itll be a race between rome and doha

with istanbul and tokyo for 2nd place

and then madrid last

[baron-pierreIV]

in my honest opinion

I think madrid is gonan be knocked out first round

i dont know which will fail to make candidacy maybe its like 2008with 5 bids?

with spains current problems i think ioc may pass on them whereas doha has alot of money to use and instanbul also is quite stable

i think itll be a race between rome and doha

with istanbul and tokyo for 2nd place

and then madrid last

Sorry to disagree, but problems or not, Spain has a core support in the IOC. This was intimated to us here by someone close to the IOC ranks; and he was right as shown by the results of 2012 and 2016. The economy is NOT going to be a main problem there since the Olympics can be pretty much self-supporting these days with all that TV money in there.

[Athensfan]

I don't think Doha helps Istanbul, but I'm not sure just how much it hurts. I expect all 5 bids to be shortlisted, so no liability there. As for the rest of the race, here are my thoughts:

Instead of a four city race with Istanbul being the lone exotic, Muslim option -- now there are two exotic Muslim options. It will be harder for Istanbul to clearly differentiate itself than it would have been if they'd only been competing with Tokyo, Rome and Madrid. Similarly, I think Rio would have been weakened by a South African bid for 2016 -- there would have been a danger of the two canceling each other out -- or they could have met in the final.

If anything, Doha's presence may be advantageous to Tokyo. Madrid and Rome are the classic European options. Istanbul and Doha are the exotic Muslim options. That leaves Tokyo looking pretty distinctive. Unfortunately it doesn't give Tokyo any distance from PC, which is their biggest problem.

[emre]

dont see doha will be a runner up. most probably they will eliminate in the first round. but it all depends the value of cheques everything can be changed and if Doha wins against these 4 cities. i personally never ever watch olympics again..

hurts Istanbul? not think so the whole arab world wont support Doha, at least some of them are strong all,es with Turkey and the race at the gulf will divorce the votes from there. like UAE.

also the reputation of PM Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in arab world is much more than any leader.

Madrid - 26

Rome - 24

Istanbul - 20

Tokyo - 15

Doha - 9

[emre]

also i really cant get why they insist on..

israel will be a problem

no female athletes ever from qatar

not a sports succes in their history

homosexuality is forbiden in the country and its against equality

too small

too hot

too close to iran which usa wont like

etc etc...

[Athan]

You never know what Doha, Dubai or any other city from these rich Middle East countries can do. They have the money, and they've proofed they have no difficulties in sweet-talking other people into voting for them. Apart from the 2022 FIFA WC, they also won the rights to host the 2015 men's handball World Championships, beating bids from France (World, Olympic and European champions), Poland and Norway. It's also true these two events will be the most compact ever, and the Olympics would also be.

I don't expect them to reach the final for 2020, but I can't see them being eliminated first either, so I think it will all depend on how many votes Tokyo will get. There could also be a tie like for 2004. I think Doha could beat Tokyo in that case, but Istanbul would probably beat Doha...

On the other hand, I must admit I think Doha is an interesting city. It's only a matter of time until the Middle East hosts the Olympics, and I'd personally prefer Doha to Dubai.

[Athensfan]

too close to iran which usa wont like

etc etc...

The US wouldn't have any problem with Doha's proximity to Iran. I see that as a non-issue. The others are more significant.

[Lee]

A summer Olympics closing ceremony on October 20th just doesn't seem right. My friend lives in Doha and she says the weather is unbearable, even in September. In fact we are just a few weeks away from the would be start of the games in 2020 and the current temperature is 46°C. Too hot!

[Sir Rols]

I said in the news thread, I don't think Doha can count on all it's usually expected support. They'd have pissed off Dubai, who wanted 2024, they've already got the WC, which probably already makes the neighbors envious, and it's dissed the Turks, of course.

And Istanbul will need to sell their story beyond their natural region to win anyway. I think it's just more an annoyance for Istanbul.

[fatixxx]

I said in the news thread, I don't think Doha can count on all it's usually expected support. They'd have pissed off Dubai, who wanted 2024, they've already got the WC, which probably already makes the neighbors envious, and it's dissed the Turks, of course.

And Istanbul will need to sell their story beyond their natural region to win anyway. I think it's just more an annoyance for Istanbul.

So .. The Qatari's fucked-up whole the reagion ..

Actually I'm asking myself, why? It's just an annoyance for every country then. We have a Turkish saying; "Saving the furnitur from the fire". I think that Qatar thinks that they have a lot of power in the region with their unnusual politic acting (even not modest just behind and just next to big brother Saudi Arabia)

- they have WC 2022

- they have send F-16 in the frame of the NAVO attacks on Lybia

- they have given permission for the USA to educate hire-soldiers on their own soil

- they thik that the power of mony can open every door

- as I said .. an annoyance to everyone.

- they have to sit back and work firstly for WC 2022 and must show the world that their Airconditioned stadia will work ..

[Olympic Fan Darcy]

also i really cant get why they insist on..

israel will be a problem

no female athletes ever from qatar

not a sports succes in their history

homosexuality is forbiden in the country and its against equality

too small

too hot

too close to iran which usa wont like

etc etc...

I think and i stress think tht for 2022 they are allowing homosexuals or at least thats what sepp blatter said.

israel is beign allowed to play in 2022 but not under the state of israel

female athletes im sure will be accepted

not a sports success but in 1976 canada didnt get a single gold and they hosted it

too small yes but many of the stadiums are high capacity plus for 2016 olympics for accomodation they got 5.5 min til 7.7 max. which was higher then rio

they are planning on hosting in sept oct when it is cooler plus australua isnt the warmest climate aswell

it isnt all made up for usa

they dont make all the decisions but yes they have a influence

sorry if theres typo's i typed this fast

[emre]

So .. The Qatari's fucked-up whole the reagion ..

Actually I'm asking myself, why? It's just an annoyance for every country then. We have a Turkish saying; "Saving the furnitur from the fire". I think that Qatar thinks that they have a lot of power in the region with their unnusual politic acting (even not modest just behind and just next to big brother Saudi Arabia)

- they have WC 2022

- they have send F-16 in the frame of the NAVO attacks on Lybia

- they have given permission for the USA to educate hire-soldiers on their own soil

- they thik that the power of mony can open every door

- as I said .. an annoyance to everyone.

- they have to sit back and work firstly for WC 2022 and must show the world that their Airconditioned stadia will work ..

they bite off more than one they can chew. and need to save their money for 2013, 50 IOc members will costs at least 500 000 000 usd for them...

[emre]

well lets have a basic calcultion

there are arab votes in ıoc

oman, kuwait, qatar, saudi arabia, jordan , syria, lebanon, algeria, sudan, morroco (2), egypt (2), UAE

and 8 muslim votes in ıoc instead of arabians

gambia, senegal, guinea , turkey, ındonesia, pakistan, nigeria (1) malaysia.

as i predict just oman kuwait saudi arabia and jordan will back doha while syria and lebanon support Istanbul.

egypt morrocco and uae also wont like to loose their arab card for future applications.

algeria dont know but close relations with turkey may make them supprt ıstanbul too.

sudan?

pakistan will surely back Istanbul while malaysia and indonesia can support tokyo.

african muslim votes dont have any idea.

but with this circumstances Doha: 4 Istanbul :4 of total 20

[DannyelBrazil]

Can I be polemical? (Like when I said Rio would win in the second round of vote - and, in fact, miss 2 votes to have it)

The final vote will be Istanbul vs. Doha.

Istanbul wins!

[emre]

Can I be polemical? (Like when I said Rio would win in the second round of vote - and, in fact, miss 2 votes to have it)

The final vote will be Istanbul vs. Doha.

Istanbul wins!

if doha gets the final i will begin to think IOC also corrupted like Fifa

[DannyelBrazil]

Well, with Istanbul winning, anybody can be second, third...

[emre]

Well, with Istanbul winning, anybody can be second, third...

we win or loose not a problem but bribe the members and play this game unfair is another problem. while % 95 of world thinks and believes qatar buy votes at wc, i really dont understand how they can be that ignorantto try to get the games to see thm which means fairplay. first they need to clear their past and convice that they get wc with their own efforts not with the green washingtons

ok i admit its a bit harsh but what im behind what i say in every word.

[baron-pierreIV]

I can't find it, but as I said in another post -- I think a 2020 Olympic bid gives the Qatari ruling family just another thing to do...and maybe keep those restless foreign workers there in tow...just to give them a temporary incentive until 2022 (11 years away).

Hey, we could also host the Olympics like Brazil!! And that's two years sooner than the World Cup!!

Ad of course, when they lose: Oh well, we still have 2022 anyway!!

But at least no one will ask the Ruling family to leave anytime soon!!

[stryker]

I think it will essentially split the vote . . . and all but assure Madrid or Rome takes the 2020 Games.

[baron-pierreIV]

I think it will essentially split the vote . . . and all but assure Madrid or Rome takes the 2020 Games.

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Not really. Doha will be a nuisance at the start, but I think Istanbul, if it tells its story really well (and can show it is the far superior host vs. Doha), can still win it. I see Doha dropping out after Round One. The IOC is not going to give it to them knowing that HOT country already has its plate full for 2022. For an ant of a country, they are just taking too much on. And one cannot use the Brazil argument, because Brazil has 100x the manpower and resources to stage those 2 mega-events w/in a 2-year stretch.

And their mentality that they were able to manipulate 13 votes in the FIFA vote will NOT translate into being to manipulate at least 55 MINDS in the IOC.

[qatar son 333]

we win or loose not a problem but bribe the members and play this game unfair is another problem. while % 95 of world thinks and believes qatar buy votes at wc, i really dont understand how they can be that ignorantto try to get the games to see thm which means fairplay. first they need to clear their past and convice that they get wc with their own efforts not with the green washingtons

ok i admit its a bit harsh but what im behind what i say in every word.

There is no proof that Qatar bribed anyone for the 2022 World Cup, there wasn't and investigation and there wont be an investigation. Yes i am pretty sure money played a major role HOWEVER don't deny that the great parts of the bid also were the major Marketing moves and extraordinary PR, Not to mention Qatar's Emir travelling the world himself to have more support for the bid.