USA 2024

[Sir Rols]

If 2020 games go to Europe (Istanbul or Madrid) then 2024 is not going to Paris, or any European city for that matter. Since 2022 is a given for Europe, I doubt the IOC will award the games to Europe a third time in a row.

I wouldn't put too emphasis on the WOGs affecting the SOGs - I think we've discussed this here often enough, and most would conclude the two don't have that much affect on each others' "rotations". Plus there's plenty of precedents for back-to-back Euro WOGs and SOGs (just recently, 1992 [X2]-1994, 2004-2006, 2012-2014). Indeed, probably not far off getting back-to-back Asian Wogs and SOGs if Tokyo, as is likely, lands 2020.

As for 3 in a row? After Sochi we have South America for 2016 and Asia for 2018, and a likely Asia for 2020 (though, yes, I agree, there could still be an upset there, and a Europe win would kill other Euro chances for 2024, though I think that's looking less and less probable for Europe to get 2020). Leaves anything open for 2022 and 2024.

[George_D]

If 2020 games go to Europe (Istanbul or Madrid) then 2024 is not going to Paris, or any European city for that matter. Since 2022 is a given for Europe, I doubt the IOC will award the games to Europe a third time in a row.

It will not be 3rd in row. 2016 was in americas. After all europe has always the most candindates cities. It wouldnt be strange or not-appropriate to hold 2 olympiads in row in europe. American countries that can host the games were for many years only canada and usa. Brazil made a pleasant surprise. Asia has only 3 countries, Japan, China, S.Korea. Europe has much more many. Spain, France, Britain, Italy, Germany, Greece, Russia, Sweden maybe, Turkey that emerged.

[George_D]

i also think that is a mistake to consider WOG and SOG bids affected each other.

[PotatoChips]

i also think that is a mistake to consider WOG and SOG bids affected each other.

I understand the issue that winter and summer shouldn't affect each other but still, having the games in the same continent 3 times in 4 years seems a bit unfair to other countries that would like them.

[Sir Rols]

I understand the issue that winter and summer shouldn't affect each other but still, having the games in the same continent 3 times in 4 years seems a bit unfair to other countries that would like them.

But, like I said, that's assuming Madrid (!?!) or Istanbul win 2020, or Europe wins 2022.

Of those two 2020 bidders, Istanbul just might have a chance, but IMO it's status is ambiguous enough that it wouldn't be a huge 2024 Euro bid killer.

2022 probably IS Europe's to lose, but, well, you never know ... if the USOC stumps up a winter bid, I wouldn't rule it out winning.

[PotatoChips]

But, like I said, that's assuming Madrid (!?!) or Istanbul win 2020, or Europe wins 2022.

Of those two 2020 bidders, Istanbul just might have a chance, but IMO it's status is ambiguous enough that it wouldn't be a huge 2024 Euro bid killer.

2022 probably IS Europe's to lose, but, well, you never know ... if the USOC stumps up a winter bid, I wouldn't rule it out winning.

That's true.

[intoronto]

But, like I said, that's assuming Madrid (!?!) or Istanbul win 2020, or Europe wins 2022.

Of those two 2020 bidders, Istanbul just might have a chance, but IMO it's status is ambiguous enough that it wouldn't be a huge 2024 Euro bid killer.

2022 probably IS Europe's to lose, but, well, you never know ... if the USOC stumps up a winter bid, I wouldn't rule it out winning.

I thought the USOC said no to a 2022 bid?

[Sir Rols]

I thought the USOC said no to a 2022 bid?

I saw some news item this morning - from some Colorado newspaper admittedly - that says they're still keen.

Colorado should host Olympic games

[PotatoChips]

I saw some news item this morning - from some Colorado newspaper admittedly - that says they're still keen.

Colorado should host Olympic games

But the USOC has said that they're not interested in the 2022 games any longer. And yes that can changed but in such short notice. The smarter thing to do would be not rush a bid and focus on how to make their primary bid better then everyone else's.

[baron-pierreIV]

I saw some news item this morning - from some Colorado newspaper admittedly - that says they're still keen.

Colorado should host Olympic games

Obviously, even those Denverites who are an hour away from USOC hqtrs in Colorado Springs are CLUELESS about the USOC stance. Can one really trust the Denverites to lead ANOTHER Olympic bid? They reject their first chance; and now mis-time the next opportunity? These are the folks who have the best Winter chances? I DON'T THINK SO. I wonder if they can even tell which season is which.

[Quaker2001]

I saw some news item this morning - from some Colorado newspaper admittedly - that says they're still keen.

Colorado should host Olympic games

News from a Colorado newspaper saying that Colorado should host the Olympics isn't really news. That's like asking a room full of kids if they want ice cream for dinner. Yes, Denver is still keen to host the Olympics. They're ready to jump at the first available opportunity (although I guess some folks missed the memo that 2022 is out of the equation). There's nothing wrong with drumming up interest, even though the next available Winter Olympics won't be voted on for another 7 years. Let's not read more into this than that a few eager folks can't hold in their excitement over the mere thought of potentially hosting an Olympics, many of whom I'm betting were not alive in 1972.

[PotatoChips]

News from a Colorado newspaper saying that Colorado should host the Olympics isn't really news. That's like asking a room full of kids if they want ice cream for dinner. Yes, Denver is still keen to host the Olympics. They're ready to jump at the first available opportunity (although I guess some folks missed the memo that 2022 is out of the equation). There's nothing wrong with drumming up interest, even though the next available Winter Olympics won't be voted on for another 7 years. Let's not read more into this than that a few eager folks can't hold in their excitement over the mere thought of potentially hosting an Olympics, many of whom I'm betting were not alive in 1972.

I agree. After what Denver did in the 70's I don't see the IOC wanting to head back there.

[Quaker2001]

I agree. After what Denver did in the 70's I don't see the IOC wanting to head back there.

I know this is an on-going point of contention here (and not this thread, per se, since Denver is more about Winter than Summer), but I don't see it that way. A lot of folks here want to dismiss (or at least suppress) Denver's chances simply because of their history. I still think it's a matter of applying that history to a future bid. If the IOC feels that the problems that plagued Denver back in the 1970s could be an issue again (which is very possible, especially as far as funding is concerned), then yes, it's an issue. But if the Denver bid folks of the 21st century can convince the IOC that they can offer a successful Winter Olympics venue, then I don't have the IOC having a problem returning there. There are a lot more ifs and a lot more scrutiny that will be associated with them simply because, yes, it's the same city that rejected the IOC 4 decades ago. But that's going to be ancient history to many that may or may not apply the next time around.

[Athensfan]

I know this is an on-going point of contention here (and not this thread, per se, since Denver is more about Winter than Summer), but I don't see it that way. A lot of folks here want to dismiss (or at least suppress) Denver's chances simply because of their history. I still think it's a matter of applying that history to a future bid. If the IOC feels that the problems that plagued Denver back in the 1970s could be an issue again (which is very possible, especially as far as funding is concerned), then yes, it's an issue. But if the Denver bid folks of the 21st century can convince the IOC that they can offer a successful Winter Olympics venue, then I don't have the IOC having a problem returning there. There are a lot more ifs and a lot more scrutiny that will be associated with them simply because, yes, it's the same city that rejected the IOC 4 decades ago. But that's going to be ancient history to many that may or may not apply the next time around.

I COMPLETELY agree. If the IOC looks at Denver's past it will be because they want to make sure history doesn't repeat itself. If the people of Denver are excited and the plan is solid and promising, the IOC aren't going to smack it down out of bitterness over a transgression committed by a totally different group of people 40 years earlier.

[Quaker2001]

I COMPLETELY agree. If the IOC looks at Denver's past it will be because they want to make sure history doesn't repeat itself. If the people of Denver are excited and the plan is solid and promising, the IOC aren't going to smack it down out of bitterness over a transgression committed by a totally different group of people 40 years earlier.

Exactly. Key word there.. "if" That's a bigger question with Denver than with any other city, but it's nothing something that should be blindly held against them as if what happened then makes it'll happen again. As the old saying goes "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" The IOC and their voters know the past and their history, but it's learning the lessons from then that is important, not the act itself. It would be like holding it against a future NYC bid that their stadium deal fell apart towards the end. There were reasons why that happened, so you use that knowledge (both IOC voters and NYC bid backers) to learn from your mistakes. This whole process at times can seem like 1 gigantic popularity contest, but past transgressions are probably the least of everyone's concerns. It's the present that matters the most.

[runningrings]

I COMPLETELY agree. If the IOC looks at Denver's past it will be because they want to make sure history doesn't repeat itself. If the people of Denver are excited and the plan is solid and promising, the IOC aren't going to smack it down out of bitterness over a transgression committed by a totally different group of people 40 years earlier.

You would hope a large body of people like the IOC would be able to see beyond the "imagined" community when making such big decisions.

As for Denver, I'd love to see it host... the Winter Olympics... in the 2030's...

I'm really hoping for a larger American city to stage 2024. I feel so bizarre. I was so immensely anti US-Olympics with the 2012 and 2016 bids, but I feel so strongly in support of the USA 2024.

[Quaker2001]

You would hope a large body of people like the IOC would be able to see beyond the "imagined" community when making such big decisions.

And again.. it's not like Denver 1976 has no affect at all on a future bid. It is absolutely a reason to scrutinize a future Denver bid to the point where they say "are you absolutely, positively, totally and completely 100% sure that you've got this covered?" That's a fair question. It's just like if they asked the Munich bidders how they would handle security. We all know everything about security at an Olympics has changed since 1972, but it's still a question worth asking. Same goes with Denver. If they think that's the place they want to go and they have no fear over a repeat of what happened last time, they should have no reservations about awarding them an Olympics.

[Athensfan]

You would hope a large body of people like the IOC would be able to see beyond the "imagined" community when making such big decisions.

As for Denver, I'd love to see it host... the Winter Olympics... in the 2030's...

I'm really hoping for a larger American city to stage 2024. I feel so bizarre. I was so immensely anti US-Olympics with the 2012 and 2016 bids, but I feel so strongly in support of the USA 2024.

I think all of that is very understandable (largely because I feel similarly).

I wasn't opposed to NYC or Chicago. I just felt NYC was a fool's errand from the get-go. I love Chicago, but I knew it was still too soon. I hoped against hope, but really knew it wasn't going to happen.

I'd love to see 2024 work out. It's very far from a sure thing, though -- or even a probability. A lot depends on the international competition and a lot depends on the USA's bid city.

I DO want Denver to host -- just after the next American Summer Games.

[baron-pierreIV]

Dumb Denver. They can't even host a World Cup 2026 match because of the altitude.

[Quaker2001]

Dumb Denver. They can't even host a World Cup 2026 match because of the altitude.

The were on the final list of 18 for the 2022 bid. Who says they wouldn't be back on the list for 2026?

[baron-pierreIV]

The were on the final list of 18 for the 2022 bid. Who says they wouldn't be back on the list for 2026?

Being on that list included the top 18 cities. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll make the final cut. It'll be the altitude problem.

[Quaker2001]

Being on that list included the top 18 cities. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll make the final cut. It'll be the altitude problem.

Doesn't mean they won't make the final cut. Has nothing to do with the top 18 cities.. those 18 stadia are simply their top choices from which they would choose the final 12 or whatever the number winds up being. Again, I make no presumption that Denver made it this far but wouldn't make the final cut for 2026 because of the altitude.

[Athensfan]

Winter Games need altitude. Geez.

[baron-pierreIV]

Winter Games need altitude. Geez.

Did I say they didn't?

[Athensfan]

Dumb Denver. They can't even host a World Cup 2026 match because of the altitude.

I guess I misunderstood the above post. Isn't all this recent conversation about Denver's WOG prospects? I wasn't sure why you brought up the World Cup in relation to that....