USA 2024

[baron-pierreIV]

I never said I held them in high regards ... what is it with people on this site to talk total nonsense.

Someone said MSP was a 'C' ranked city. Not only does that ranking not exist but I simply provided the list

If u haven't noticed by now...GB posters have their own rankings. So we are free to reject suspect lists.

[Crusader]

If u haven't noticed by now...GB posters have their own rankings. So we are free to reject suspect lists.

No I'd not seen that - it can only be on personal interpretation.

It would appear that I am blocking those posters that have this ranking system - Quaker2001, Athensfan, FYI, Sir Rols etc - so they can no doubt argue that amongst themselves while others, if they wish to rank cities use the only recognisable scale.

I shall simply be amused in the knowledge that they waste their time replying to comments I make which I can't read

[Athensfan]

What really matters is that the IOC has their own way of evaluating cities.

I seriously doubt Quaker, FYI, Rols and I would rank cities the same way anyhow....

[PotatoChips]

I never said I held them in high regards ... what is it with people on this site to talk total nonsense.

Someone said MSP was a 'C' ranked city. Not only does that ranking not exist but I simply provided the list

I only ranked MSP as a "C" city because I thought it was appropriate. I don't use the scale but since everyone else appeared to I thought it would get my point across quicker.

[paul92]

If u haven't noticed by now...GB posters have their own rankings. So we are free to reject suspect lists.

C- for that comment.

[baron-pierreIV]

C- for that comment.

Reject. Sorry, Paul, you don't have enough mileage points yet to be able to create your own rankings. Plus points deducted for initiating extremely silly threads.

Right now, it's an AAA+ in my book.

[paul92]

Sorry, Paul, you don't have enough mileage points yet to be able to create your own rankings.

I didn't created the 'C-' it's been in high schools since the invention of the report card.

And by the way, my name isn't Paul.

[Athensfan]

And by the way, my name isn't Paul.

If you don't want us to call you Paul you should change your username.

[baron-pierreIV]

And by the way, my name isn't Paul.

But u're using "Paul." Are there 91 other Paul's here that I have to use "92"? So u're like Crusader, willing to fall on his (I imagine it's a "he" otherwise s/he should go by Crusadress or Crusadrix ) sword for Minneapolis and then backs off saying that (1) he doesn't really love MSP and (2) that he's not a US citizen, but will fight tooth and nail for a 3rd-tier city?

I mean...are we even all in the same dimension here?

God, I can't believe I've been suckered into this topic for a friggin' 236 pages!?!?

[Athensfan]

I'm happy to see the 236 pages. USA 2024 is a real possibility and it's worthy of conversation.

For that reason, the thread survives all sorts of craziness -- the latest manifestation being Paul's little identity crisis....

[paul92]

Wait,

1. I don't care about Minneapolis, heck I'm not even sure where in the USA it is. I've never cared about it.

2. It's you're not u're.

3. Obviously my name is Paul, I'm just a compulsive liar.

4. Not

5. I want 2024 to be NYC.

[Quaker2001]

I never said I held them in high regards ... what is it with people on this site to talk total nonsense.

Someone said MSP was a 'C' ranked city. Not only does that ranking not exist but I simply provided the list

So.. you don't hold that list in high regard, yet you would like the rest of us to take it into account rather than use our own personal intuition?

No I'd not seen that - it can only be on personal interpretation.

It would appear that I am blocking those posters that have this ranking system - Quaker2001, Athensfan, FYI, Sir Rols etc - so they can no doubt argue that amongst themselves while others, if they wish to rank cities use the only recognisable scale.

I shall simply be amused in the knowledge that they waste their time replying to comments I make which I can't read

What's wrong with personal interpretation? Plus, again, if you don't hold the GaWC list in high regard, then why are you telling us it's the only official means we have to rank cities. Especially when it tells us that a city like Minneapolis is probably too far down the list that we don't need to take it seriously as an Olympic hopeful.

And no, nothing we say in response to you is wasted. Because the rest of us are still sharing with each other. You choosing not to participate (except when you choose to read our comments that occasionally you're going to want to see) isn't exactly a negative for the rest of us.

[runningrings]

I didn't created the 'C-' it's been in high schools since the invention of the report card.

And by the way, my name isn't Paul.

F for grammar.

A+ for irony.

[FYI]

No I'd not seen that - it can only be on personal interpretation.

It would appear that I am blocking those posters that have this ranking system - Quaker2001, Athensfan, FYI, Sir Rols etc - so they can no doubt argue that amongst themselves while others, if they wish to rank cities use the only recognisable scale.

I shall simply be amused in the knowledge that they waste their time replying to comments I make which I can't read

Poor little baby. Can't take playing with the bigger kids in the playground, so you go & hide behind the teachers skirt. An exit tactic that k-boy liked using too, when everyone challenged his "weak" POV's & hobby-candidates.

[FYI]

Wait,

I don't care about Minneapolis, heck I'm not even sure where in the USA it is. I've never cared about it.

.

See that little, DM! "Paul" from Great Britain doesn't even know where the heck in the USA Minne even is! Nor does he even care to! So how can it be so great like you want us all to believe!

[Sir Rols]

Not opposing a bid does not automatically make you a cheerleader for it.

The trouble is, spending so much time and energy discussing it and then getting upset and petulant when people disagree, sure makes it seem like you're a cheerleader for it.

Poor little baby. Can't take playing with the bigger kids in the playground, so you go & hide behind the teachers skirt. An exit tactic that k-boy liked using too, when everyone challenged his "weak" POV's & hobby-candidates.

I wonder what he'll choose for his next username - not that it will last for long. You'd think by now he'd grasp the concept that posting opinions on forums invites comment on those opinions.

[PyroKinesis]

I'm just curious as to everyone's thoughts on Boston. Have they ever made a bid before? Why not?

[Sir Rols]

I'm just curious as to everyone's thoughts on Boston. Have they ever made a bid before? Why not?

Personally, from an outsider's perspective, there's a lot about Boston I would find appealing. I think it's a city that does have a good profile internationally. That said, it seems to rarely get support or enthusiasm amongst the American supporters here.

[Athensfan]

Personally, from an outsider's perspective, there's a lot about Boston I would find appealing. I think it's a city that does have a good profile internationally. That said, it seems to rarely get support or enthusiasm amongst the American supporters here.

Boston is a great town. It's just really hard to imagine where the Olympics would fit and how the transportation would work. It's a pretty dense area. Also, it doesn't really have the corporate presence that some of these other cities have.

[Quaker2001]

I'm just curious as to everyone's thoughts on Boston. Have they ever made a bid before? Why not?

As noted, Boston is steeped in American history and could bring the entire New England region into play. However, as also noted, Boston is a fairly densely populated city where it's going to be tough to find a place to put everything, especially the big ticket items like the main stadium and the village. Not to pick on them for 1 incident, but this is the city of "The Big Dig." (For those unfamiliar, the Big Dig was a large scale transportation project to improve some of the roads into and out of Boston.. it was the most expensive highway project in the United States at the time and finished years behind schedule and way over-budget). They're also the city whose football team plays 30 miles away (after the team nearly moved to Hartford instead). So let's not hear any of this "Boston could use a football stadium" nonsense as if that's justification for post-Olympics use.

Should be noted though.. Boston has hosted Olympic competition before. They had 1 of the sites for the football prelims at Harvard Stadium back in 1984.

[baron-pierreIV]

I'm just curious as to everyone's thoughts on Boston. Have they ever made a bid before? Why not?

There have been overtures but I don't think the Boston brahmins can or really want to host anything. They're like Seattle; very dense downtown area and it'd just be gridlock to have anything as large as a national convention in town (as they did host the Demo convention 8 years ago in 2004). Even with its huge universities around town, I think they are so entrenched with their affairs and studies that they probably would not loan themselves out as Villages for an Olympics. There has never been a serious Olympic bid from the New England area-- which means that New Englanders aren't really all that hep about it.

And even John Hancock threw up its hands on anything Olympic after 1998, I think.

[Crusader]

But u're using "Paul." Are there 91 other Paul's here that I have to use "92"? So u're like Crusader, willing to fall on his (I imagine it's a "he" otherwise s/he should go by Crusadress or Crusadrix ) sword for Minneapolis and then backs off saying that (1) he doesn't really love MSP and (2) that he's not a US citizen, but will fight tooth and nail for a 3rd-tier city?

I mean...are we even all in the same dimension here?

God, I can't believe I've been suckered into this topic for a friggin' 236 pages!?!?

Baron, I have only fighting tooth and nail as you put it, because I don't think that it should be rejected in the wisdom of gamesbidders because of some perception members have as to how the IOC might vote ..... and if the discussion was about Seattle or Boston or Detroit etc I would enjoy looking up about one of your cities which I am unfamiliar with and seeing whether they can or how easily host the Olympics - not whether they should or will ..... for me, third tier cities are ones which might be considered 'Gamma' cities. MSP like the other betas are 2nd tier cities ... Houston and Seattle are not 3rd tier cities either.

The thing with the USA is because of the history of legal immigration, there are pockets of culture wholly different from elsewhere in the USA like Irish Boston, Cuban Miami, Texan Dallas, Mo-town Detroit, Scandinavian Minnesota etc and in my mind a bid focusing on one of this elements could be as equally enticing as considering a city simply based on its size. The larger the city the greater its character has been diluted.

The trouble is, spending so much time and energy discussing it and then getting upset and petulant when people disagree, sure makes it seem like you're a cheerleader for it.

I wonder what he'll choose for his next username - not that it will last for long. You'd think by now he'd grasp the concept that posting opinions on forums invites comment on those opinions.

Have you always been an idiot or has it take years of practise?

Poor little baby. Can't take playing with the bigger kids in the playground, so you go & hide behind the teachers skirt. An exit tactic that k-boy liked using too, when everyone challenged his "weak" POV's & hobby-candidates.

It would be you who are behaving like the baby.

Rather than discuss the technical merits of a city who could potentially host, you like the others (Quaker2001, Sir Rols, Athensfan) seem the sort who want to turn it into a personal attack when challenged with an opposing view.

I have no interest in conversing with this type of poster on any site, because they have nothing to offer that would increase my interest in the discussion.

[Crusader]

I'm just curious as to everyone's thoughts on Boston. Have they ever made a bid before? Why not?

I don't know why Boston haven't bid before.

I do recall a fan page suggesting a stadium out on an old abandoned funfair along North Shore Road but for me that is too far from downtown.

I wonder if the area just north of where Monsignor O'Brien Highway becomes McGrath Highway has enough space to squeeze in a stadium between it and the railway tracks. There also are several industrial sites which potentially have the size for an Olympic village. It is a stones throw away from the river estuary into the sea. Of course there are numerous other arenas in the university intensive Boston.

As for post games, The New England Revolution are one of the few remaining MLS teams to play in an NFL stadium alongside Seattle. The Gillette is a 68,000 seater yet in their entire history the Revolution have only averaged 15,596 per season. Building an 80,000 seater downtown and then scaling it back would give the Revolution its own sense of identity rather than being a mere size show to the Patriots. Of course both are owned by Robert Kraft so he would need to see the advantage of doing so, but there has been some vague talk about the Revolution wanting their own MLS sized home.

[Athensfan]

But the grounds you need for an 80,000 capacity stadium and the grounds you need for a 17,000 capacity stadium are totally different.

Even if the Olympic stadium isn't in a park it still needs land around it -- more than a much smaller MLS stadium would need. How does this work? You've got to have exactly the right physical location that can suit Games-time needs and maximize post-Games usage. In a city like Boston with so little land to spare, it's hard to imagine it working.

[Crusader]

If you look at what the Qatari's are doing with the World Cup, they are deliberately building stadiums with removable second tiers. Indeed the 86,000 seat Lusoil Stadium is due to have a capacity of 20,000 post 2022. Whilst the inclusion of a running track creates challenges, in these days of modern architecture it might not be insurmountable.

Reading up, there appears to have been development plans around the Inner Belt area which have come to nothing so the land would appear to be a mixture of wasteland and industrial parks which might provide a suitable area. Especially as there are a number of rail lines in very close proximity.

All major cities have central land availability questions - if you rule out a potential bidder because of this you might as well rule out 90% of them.