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Isn't politics part of any bid? Isn't it relevant to consider the presidents involvement and effectiveness in the 2016 bid and presentation to the IOC? Isn't it relevant to discuss a candidate who was the a leader of the last successful Olympic Games on US soil?

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Isn't politics part of any bid? Isn't it relevant to consider the presidents involvement and effectiveness in the 2016 bid and presentation to the IOC? Isn't it relevant to discuss a candidate who was the a leader of the last successful Olympic Games on US soil?

You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

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Isn't politics part of any bid? Isn't it relevant to consider the presidents involvement and effectiveness in the 2016 bid and presentation to the IOC? Isn't it relevant to discuss a candidate who was the a leader of the last successful Olympic Games on US soil?

I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just saying I don't want this thread turning into Obama vs Romney when that doesn't have to do much with the actual topic.

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Well it is interesting to consider the roles played.

And there are no interesting bids to consider.

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Well it is interesting to consider the roles played.

And there are no interesting bids to consider.

That's why for the past weeks and months we have been suggesting and making bids for different cities.

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Isn't politics part of any bid? Isn't it relevant to consider the presidents involvement and effectiveness in the 2016 bid and presentation to the IOC? Isn't it relevant to discuss a candidate who was the a leader of the last successful Olympic Games on US soil?

Is it really that much of a factor though? Would this be a discussion if we weren't talking about 2 candidates who have both gone in front of the IOC before? That's why I was saying.. the vote doesn't occur until 2017. We know for certain that Obama won't be president then. No guarantee that if Romney wins this election he'll still be president then. Sure Obama was in Copenhagen in 2009, but how much was he involved in the years leading up? How much of Bush was there with Chicago and/or NYC. Ditto for Bush 41 with Atlanta (and he had expectations when Atlanta won that he would still be president and preside over those Olympics).

Yes there are politics involved, but I don't think it's going to affect things this far out, especially when the next vote that could involve a U.S. city won't occur until after this presidential cycle. And yea, I don't want to see this thread turn into an Obama vs. Romney / Democrat vs. Republican debate because I think it's way too early in the game for that to make a big difference.

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It is valid to discuss the role politics (really politicians) play in host city selection. I agree with the posters who say they don't think it has much impact.

It's really only Tony Blair -- a consummate communicator -- who made much of a difference to his bid. Perhaps Putin helped Sochi, but I doubt it was the difference maker.

What counts is brilliant, winsome, confidence-inspiring communication. Blair provided that. I doubt any other world leader is likely to have a similarly positive decisive impact on a vote.

Leaders may be able to help lose a bid, however. Ill-advised remarks, lack of enthusiasm, lack of understanding could all help do in a bid. Of course unpopular foreign policy can certainly scupper a bid at any time as well.....

I do think Romney still has connections in the IOC that could prove useful. His London gaffe was unbelievably stupid, but I don't know that it invalidates his Olympic experience and contacts.

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I think the role of a country's leader plays a major impact with the IOC - they like it if done properly.

In 2005 it was Blair v Chirac and we all know how that worked out.

In 2009, it was Obama. The US wanted to replicate London. And of course Obama was and still is very popular outside of the USA. However clearly there was either issues re: the attitude of the world to the US with Iraq and Afghanistan still an open wound, the strength/romance of some of the other bids in that particular year, and possibly that the USOC miscounted on the level of their support in R1, and like England discovered in the FIFA2018 bids that some delegates to them bare faced lies whilst always planning to vote elsewhere, meaning they thought they had more votes than they actually did and took their foot of the gas thinking clearing R1 was in the bag.

Of course your bid isn't the best, then you are going to struggle unless you offer a different 'amazing catch' to excite the delegates.

If I understand correctly Romney ran the SLC but wasn't involved in the original bid. Considering his propensity for Chiracisms, I'd keep him as far away from the IOC as possible.

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Romney was offered the job of SLC 2002 when the bid scandal came out publicly and they fired the guy involved with the bid and some other guy appointed when the bid was won.

It was Romney's job to put SLC back in the green, which he managed to do quite well. Many of the other aspects of the games, venues, logos and so forth were well underway during Romney's reign. If I recall, Romney didn't want the position, possibly due to his Mormon links and the supposed idea of the games being too Mormon and it was his wife who convinced him to get the job because of it being a challenge.

I don't think Romney can spearhead a bid right from the start, especially given his comments about London 2012. Sure, he was reiterating what was already said, but he was rubbing in the fact.

He may know how to fix a games, but might not be capable of winning a games from the start, or convincing the IOC, for that matter.

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We know for certain that Obama won't be president then.

Although unlikely, technically Obama could be POTUS in 2017. See Cleveland comma Grover

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It was Romney's job to put SLC back in the green, which he managed to do quite well. games,

He put the games back in the green by getting a huge bailout from the Federal government (ironic, no?) As I've said, in the perverse world of American politics, a Republican POTUS has a better chance of overcoming congressional opposition to Olympic funding than a Democrat. Keep mind that even though the vote won't be until 2017, if you want to have some sort of Federal funding/support/guarantees in the bid, you need to get the bills through congress under whoever wins this presidential election.

The flip side of course is how Romeny's foreign policy viewpoint (Hell yes the USA is better than every other country in the world) might influence the vote. Will don't know why NYC and Chicago's bids went so badly. Was it dumb luck? Weaknesses in the bids? The USOC uncertainty. Or was was there an element of anti-Americanism that hurt the bids. If those feelings do influence votes, then a POTUS that uses "European" as a pejorative isn't going to help.

And while I 100% agree that almost all Romney vs Obama talk should be banned from this threat, on the vary narrow issue of how they might influence a 2024 bid is relevant.

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Can we please stop being condescending here please? Christ on a stick.

Can we lay off the profanity here please?

Louisville is not a viable candidate and doesn't deserve a moment's more attention.

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Louisville is not a viable candidate and doesn't deserve a moment's more attention.

When exactly did you get elected Net Nanny.?

It's a 200+ page thread. There's room for just about anything. If you don't want to talk about Louisville 2024, don't talk about it. But telling other people what they are and aren't allowed to talk about is not only rude, it's totally ineffective (unless you actually were elected Net Nanny.) Heck, you may just motive people to talk about just for fun.

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I actually would appreciate any constructive feedback, as it could be used to help Louisville go after an event such as the Pan Am Games even if the Olympics prove not to be viable.

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Can we please stop being condescending here please? Christ on a stick.

See above. Believe it or not, that's textbook profanity.

And as for you, Zeke, since you seem to find me inappropriately dismissive, please explain to me why Louisville will be the USOC's candidate for the 2024 Summer Games.

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From wiki.answers.com: "profanity is the improper use of a sacred or divine name to express strong usually negative emotions such as anger or fear. Language or gestures that demonstrate irreverence, contempt or disrespect towards groups of people or religious beliefs. Language or gestures considered coarse, vulgar, obscene or otherwise offensive."

See http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_profanity.

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See above. Believe it or not, that's textbook profanity.

Sorry, I won't say "condescending" anymore. Christ almighty.

Ohhhhhhhhh, you're one of those people who believe in religion and all that nonsense. I capitalized it for you, isn't that enough? god

god god god

OOPS, NOT CAPITALIZED

See you in hell buddy, if it even exists.

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And as for you, Zeke, since you seem to find me inappropriately dismissive, please explain to me why Louisville will be the USOC's candidate for the 2024 Summer Games.

Believe it or not, not only do you not get to tell people what they can't talk about, you don't get to tell them what they must talk about. Unless you really were elected Net Nanny. If so, I apologize.

Note - I don't find you inappropriately dismissive of Louisville's chances. If you still aren't grasping the points, let me know and I'll explain it to you.

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I actually would appreciate any constructive feedback, as it could be used to help Louisville go after an event such as the Pan Am Games even if the Olympics prove not to be viable.

This is a totally fair request and I sincerely apologize for being dismissive. I didn't notice you were a "newbie" and I responded to abruptly. Please accept my sincere apologies. For those of us who have been around for years and just had to listen to the merits of Bemidji, sometimes the patience wears a bit thin. But that's no excuse.

So. Louisville.

1.) It lacks the reputation of a world-class city and internationally desirable travel destination. It is not on a par with London, Tokyo, Rio, Beijing, Sydney, Athens. Therefore, even if Louisville were able to assemble all the necessary technical components, the IOC would not elect them host. I drove through Louisville years ago and that's my sole experience of the city, so I certainly can't call myself an expert, but my impression was that it was not even close to being on a par with the world's great metropolises.

2.) Host cities need deep pockets and large corporations based locally. To my knowledge, Louisville lacks these.

3.) Host cities require extensive infrastructure, large numbers of world-class venues (and use for them, post-Games) as well as large numbers of hotel rooms. To my knowledge, Louisville lacks these as well.

4.) Louisville has no NFL, NBA, MLB, MLS or NHL teams. The fact that Louisville is not home to a single major league sports team is evidence that Louisville is not a major sports market and lacks the venues, corporate backing, physical venues and spectator base to host an event like the Olympic Games. It also shows that even if Louisville were able to land the Games, VAST amounts of construction would be required and there would be no use for the venues after the Games.

For the above reasons, though I'm sure Louisville has many charms, it is not a potential Olympic host city.

Sorry, I won't say "condescending" anymore. Christ almighty.

Ohhhhhhhhh, you're one of those people who believe in religion and all that nonsense. I capitalized it for you, isn't that enough? god

god god god

OOPS, NOT CAPITALIZED

See you in hell buddy, if it even exists.

So are Mohammad, Buddha and the Scientologists up next?

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