USA 2024

[baron-pierreIV]

ATR reports only LA, SF and Dallas were present at the US Olympic meetings in Colorado Springs.

Am not surprised. But I don't know why SF keeps attending. They CANNOT put up a new (even temporary) stadium over there once Candlestick is torn down. And the Village chances at Hunters Point are gone, too.

[FYI]

Interesting. Wonder if Boston & Philadelphia are getting cold feet or just didn't see a need to be at the meeting.

[Vrysxy]

So I'm guessing Los Angeles will probably win the right to represent the United States in the 2024 Olympic bids..

[runningrings]

TBH- it makes sense for it to be LA, the gradual wave of Olympic failure sweeping across from east to west!

I think an LA bid would be interesting, but I have to admit I'd like to see Paris or Durban have it instead.

Hopefully we see Chicago 2028. Chciago's doubt is do sad-- as a non-American it is easily the most appealing and impressive option for the US. The quintessential American city .

[FYI]

Like New York, I hope that Chicago continues to be smart enough & stay away from it. I really don't wanna see the city dragged through the mud once again. Not to mention public support there is likely to continue to be very low. The city still has other important matters to take care of first regardless of how attractive the city might be as the next American host.

Even for 2028 I still don't see those Games coming to North America anyway. I really think that the next two Games are between Europe & Africa, not necessarily in that order. The next earliest opportunity for the U.S. I see is 2032. By then, enough time would've past for another L.A. run & could be competitive enough by then.

[runningrings]

Well put. Still, Chicago had that "it" factor perhaps more than NYC , in terms of being an Olympic city .

I do share your view that we will very likely see 2024-2032 be hosted by France, South Africa and the US. I know such predictions are futile, but it just seems so likely

[stryker]

I think when its all said and done that the USOC will ultimately pass on a bid for 2024. I base this on the fact that Scott Blackmun was quoted "Can we win?" as one of the deciding factors of whether or not to bid. Unless South Africa enters the fray, I don't see how the IOC goes a third straight SOGs without a European host. The only way I could see Europe being shut out for three consecutive SOGs is if South Africa decides to bid. One way or the other, the deck is stacked against a U.S. bid for at least the next cycle and probably for 2028 as well, depending on what South Africa does.

[yoshi]

They should go for LA 2032, after hosting the Pan Am in LA in 2023. It just makes most sense, if we ignore any threat from Toronto.

[Athensfan]

They should go for LA 2032, after hosting the Pan Am in LA in 2023. It just makes most sense, if we ignore any threat from Toronto.

Pan Am Games are totally irrelevant to an LA bid and would have ZERO impact on the bids success or failure.

[Quaker2001]

I think when its all said and done that the USOC will ultimately pass on a bid for 2024. I base this on the fact that Scott Blackmun was quoted "Can we win?" as one of the deciding factors of whether or not to bid. Unless South Africa enters the fray, I don't see how the IOC goes a third straight SOGs without a European host. The only way I could see Europe being shut out for three consecutive SOGs is if South Africa decides to bid. One way or the other, the deck is stacked against a U.S. bid for at least the next cycle and probably for 2028 as well, depending on what South Africa does.

I have a feeling this will the case, not entirely because of the competition they're up against, but also because I don't know they'll have a compelling option to throw out there. Pile that on top of everything else potentially working against them and it's probably a recipe for another disappointment. Now that said, if the USOC does find themselves a compelling candidate, they should put them forward, but at this point that still seems like a very big if.

They should go for LA 2032, after hosting the Pan Am in LA in 2023. It just makes most sense, if we ignore any threat from Toronto.

Unnecessary. I can't see Los Angeles showing any real interest in the Pan Ams and considering the city has prior Olympic hosting experience, I don't see what good it does for them to host the Pan Ams 9 years in advance of an Olympics they want to host. They don't need 1 to justify the other

[stryker]

Ideally, I'd like to see the USOC pass on 2024 and take a shot at 2028 with the understanding that if the candidate city loses 2028, that it keeps that candidate city for 2032. Use 2028 as a warm up bid and then the USOC is well positioned for 2032.

[FYI]

Even if the USOC would happen to have found that compelling candidate, there's still all those other factors 'potentially working against them'. Whoever it was, could they really compete against the potential likes of Paris, Rome, Berlin, Durban & Istanbul? Seems like a very uphill battle nonetheless.

Even if the USOC got the right candidate, would that candidate still have all the right goods for the bid. The bid would have to be rock-solid in order for there not to be any major gaffes. And that would be quite a task in itself. Apparently, the only one of the big four that might be interested, apart from LA, is SF. And they're always a bureaucratic mess. Not to mention that they still have the OV & stadium problem. And especially when the 49ners just built their brand-new stadium in far-flung San Jose. So who else is there for a brand-new stadium inside, or right outside, the city. Not too many options, if any.

I still don't see it regardless. Not for 2024 anyway, & unless the USOC wants to commit to at least a couple of consecutive runs, considering everything else, an attempt this early on doesn't seem very likely to succeed. And even then, it's still not guaranteed, just look at Madrid. As usual, the timing (& the bid) is everything. And the timing still seems quite off for another U.S. run ATM.

And as far as the Pan Ams go, the U.S. cities that should go after them, like Minneapolis or San Diego, aren't interested. Instead they initially want the "real thing", which is far from their reach in the first place. And cities like Los Angeles don't really need them to prove anything. So as far as the Pan Ams go for the U.S. it's really a moot point.

[Vrysxy]

They should go for LA 2032, after hosting the Pan Am in LA in 2023. It just makes most sense, if we ignore any threat from Toronto.

As mentioned above. The Pan Am are totally irrelevant!!! Los Angeles hosted the Olympic Games twice. That's more than enough for experience..

[Athensfan]

Despite comments to the contrary, Tokyo's victory hurts American aspirations. It really wasn't "time" to go back to Asia, but Tokyo lucked out by bidding against weak opponents.

I agree that 2032 makes sense for the next American Summer Games, but things rarely fall out according to what makes sense.

I also agree that 2024 isn't looking even close to a slam-dunk. Of course almost everyone was saying that about Tokyo 2020 in the early days.

What happens if neither Paris nor Durban bid? It's possible. Of course it's also possible they both will.

For all we know, 2032 could turn out to be a hyper-competitive cycle.

At the end of the day, any bid is a crap shoot to some degree. You can't know all the factors that will influence a races prior to the bid deadline. You can guess. You might be close, but you can't be sure.

Just ask Paris 1992, Athens 1996, Beijing 2000, Rome 2004 or Paris 2012. All of those bids made sense from a competitive perspective. All fell.

2024 aside, I hope the USOC isn't looking for certitude because they'll never find it.

Once again, I'm fine with them passing on 2024 as long as they don't bid for 2026 either.

[baron-pierreIV]

Altho LA is making big plans for the Special Olympics in 2015. They don't need 'em but I think they need to keep organizing something...anything.

[intoronto]

As mentioned above. The Pan Am are totally irrelevant!!! Los Angeles hosted the Olympic Games twice. That's more than enough for experience..

Irrelevant to LA yes, but for other cities it might provide a slight boost.

[FYI]

Out of all the cities that have hosted the Pan Ams, only one we could say benefitted from hosting, as far as an Olympic bid is concerned, & that was Rio 2007. And maybe one other, & that could be Mexico City. Cities in countries where the IOC needed that extra confidence in their abilities to maybe host a Games. The U.S. nor Canada needs the Pan Ams in order to prove to the IOC that they can deliver the goods bcuz they already know that they can. Therefore some on here put wayyy too much stock into the Pan Ams into connection with the Olympics.

I agree with the post that we just don't know the "exact" dynamics of any particular race. However, we can draw hypotheses based on the information/speciation that we already do know. That's what these boards are about anyway. Plus, simply bcuz we don't know how everything will precisely fall into place, still doesn't cover that a bid needs to be competitive in the first place. And with that, IDK how any U.S. bid could do that at this time. If it's just gonna be half-asses anyway, then the USOC shouldn't bother in the least.

[Vrysxy]

Irrelevant to LA yes, but for other cities it might provide a slight boost.

Of course!! As we are talking about Los Angeles... I don't know what to think now. I know Los Angeles is ready to host the Olympics, but, would that be enough, to get enough votes from the IOC members?? I think a NYC bid would be more appealing to them or even Washington! than Los Angeles. If Los Angeles end up as the bid city representing the United States, then I just hope they do a really good job...

[Victor Mata]

Toronto certainly doesn't need a Pan American Games in the bag to prove itself and be a serious olympic contender. But bidding to and successfully hosting that unimportant event can be seen as humble move to such a high-profile Canadian city, and their next summer olympic bid can benefit quite a bit from the 2015 PanAms. Otherwise, why bother offering their premier city just for that?

If the next American bidding city believes the only move it needs to do is just bid and get the big prize, then self-assurance may deliver the wrong message.

[intoronto]

Toronto certainly doesn't need a Pan American Games in the bag to prove itself and be a serious olympic contender. But bidding to and successfully hosting that unimportant event can be seen as humble move to such a high-profile Canadian city, and their next summer olympic bid can benefit quite a bit from the 2015 PanAms. Otherwise, why bother offering their premier city just for that?

Not only that, but all the IOC members who were here for the assembly and the Games in 2 years time will be accustomed to the city, which I think will help it when it comes to voting. Also Toronto was the only interested city for 2015.

[Quaker2001]

Toronto certainly doesn't need a Pan American Games in the bag to prove itself and be a serious olympic contender. But bidding to and successfully hosting that unimportant event can be seen as humble move to such a high-profile Canadian city, and their next summer olympic bid can benefit quite a bit from the 2015 PanAms. Otherwise, why bother offering their premier city just for that?

If the next American bidding city believes the only move it needs to do is just bid and get the big prize, then self-assurance may deliver the wrong message.

I don't get the logic. So because Canada offered their premier for the Pan Ams, the United States needs to do something similar to make them seem more humble before they go after the big prize? The big prize that they've hosted multiple times before, more often than not very successfully?

As noted, just because Rio used the Pan Ams as a springboard for the Olympics and Toronto is about host the Pan Ams (possibly in anticipation of bidding for an Olympics) doesn't mean the United States needs to do the same. It's not like the big cities in the U.S. haven't hosted big events before. The USOC is not that naive to think they can waltz into 1 of these bids and it's theirs for the taking. And hopefully they impress that upon whoever their candidate city winds up being, and not just because of New York and Chicago. Either way, I don't see the need for the Pan Ams or another sort of warm up event as a prerequisite for bidding for the Olympics.

[Victor Mata]

Well, it is part of the narrative of some bidding cities lines such as 'we've been improving our city and gaining experience just to be ready for your games, dear IOC members', even if it's a lie. Since the US is just too good for anything less than the Olympics themselves and builds bids based on previous olympic experiences, it becomes very difficult to adjust the pitch and tone to avoid sounding like you just deserve the games and that's all. Some questions go unanswered this way: Why the US wants a 5th summer games? For whom they're hosting? What kind of boost does any Olympic-calibre American city expect from the games?

The latest winning cities emphasized they've been dreaming for ages for their turn and one and other city pretend their Olympic dream grew out of many smaller ambitions. Durban and Paris can be very dangerous bids if they can push that kind of emotional plea, which the IOC loves. Answering an USOC roll call? Sounds like a very cold starting point for any narrative even for the most viable bid of a sports mad nation.

[Athensfan]

Well, Victor, they certainly won't make that their starting point. I don't think that will be at all the "pitch or tone" either.

Why not wait and see what narrative is offered (or if there is a bid at all) rather than cast things in the most negative light possible? A great deal depends on which city is chosen.

Regardless, I don't see hosting Pan Am Games as improving American chances by one iota.

[FYI]

Well, it is part of the narrative of some bidding cities lines such as 'we've been improving our city and gaining experience just to be ready for your games, dear IOC members', even if it's a lie.

Ummm, & look how that type of strategy worked out for Madrid.

Some questions go unanswered this way: Why the US wants a 5th summer games? For whom they're hosting? What kind of boost does any Olympic-calibre American city expect from the games?

These questions can be applied to ANY nation that's a repeat host (including the one that you're advocating in this thread), not just the U.S.

The latest winning cities emphasized they've been dreaming for ages for their turn and one and other city pretend their Olympic dream grew out of many smaller ambitions. Durban and Paris can be very dangerous bids if they can push that kind of emotional plea, which the IOC loves. Answering an USOC roll call? Sounds like a very cold starting point for any narrative even for the most viable bid of a sports mad nation.

While I agree that Durban & Paris "can be very dangerous bids if they can push that kind of emotional plea, which the IOC loves", then what makes you think that Canada 'humbling" hosting the Pan Ams could be the trump card for the IOC to overlook the kind of emotional pleas that they "love". Why only nit-pick against the U.S. in this regard. It's baffling "logic" to say the least.

If Paris & Durban bid & they do indeed become those formidable opponents for 2024, then NO one, not just the U.S. are going to be able to overcome them. Not even the cities that have taken the "humble" approach at hosting the Pan Ams bcuz the Americans "think that they're too good for anything less than the Olympic Games".

[Quaker2001]

Well, it is part of the narrative of some bidding cities lines such as 'we've been improving our city and gaining experience just to be ready for your games, dear IOC members', even if it's a lie. Since the US is just too good for anything less than the Olympics themselves and builds bids based on previous olympic experiences, it becomes very difficult to adjust the pitch and tone to avoid sounding like you just deserve the games and that's all. Some questions go unanswered this way: Why the US wants a 5th summer games? For whom they're hosting? What kind of boost does any Olympic-calibre American city expect from the games?

The latest winning cities emphasized they've been dreaming for ages for their turn and one and other city pretend their Olympic dream grew out of many smaller ambitions. Durban and Paris can be very dangerous bids if they can push that kind of emotional plea, which the IOC loves. Answering an USOC roll call? Sounds like a very cold starting point for any narrative even for the most viable bid of a sports mad nation.

Dreaming for ages? Does 'ages' for London include the bid for `92 and `96 when GBR put up Birmingham and Manchester. What about Tokyo where Japan put up Osaka as recently as the 2008 bid?

That's part of the problem with the United States.. there are so many large and distinct cities that it's hard to find the 1 above all others that has that ideal narrative. I get what you're saying that it's difficult to build experience in that regard and those questions you ask are certainly legitimate questions the USOC needs to ask of prospective host cities. But again, that applies to many cities in many countries. Obviously it's going to be difficult to find a city that can come up with that narrative, but I don't think it necessarily is required to ask such a city to host a smaller event in preparation.