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It's NOT just whether it's a Games for the Artic or in a corner where the Games have never been. As Rogge said before -- and I don't know why people can't remember it, you need a metropolitan area of at least 2.5 million people to host and support a 21st century Summer Olympic Games. I mean Alaska's ENTIRE population DOESN'T even come close to ONE million, and you're thinking about it? :rolleyes:

You need a huge population base to carry off a well-attended Games. Just look at the last 3 Summer Games + Rio: Athens (roughly 2.5 mil in 2004), Beijing (8 mil), London (8 mil), Rio (6.5 mil). Which were the BEST ATTENDED? Certainly, not Athens. And with double-hosting duties of the regular Olympics AND a Paralympics, having a large population base becomes even MORE important. Not only will workers, volunteers, ticket-buyers shell out their best energies and pockets for the regular 1st round Games, but you'll need a whole 2nd set of workers, volunteers, ticket-buyers who weren't burnt out from the first round to support and make the Paralympics a success as well. And I would even revise Rogge's projection to put that at a minimum 5 million metro area in order to ensure the success of a double-tandem effort.

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It's NOT just whether it's a Games for the Artic or in a corner where the Games have never been. As Rogge said before -- and I don't know why people can't remember it, you need a metropolitan area of at least 2.5 million people to host and support a 21st century Summer Olympic Games. I mean Alaska's ENTIRE population DOESN'T even come close to ONE million, and you're thinking about it? :rolleyes:

You need a huge population base to carry off a well-attended Games. Just look at the last 3 Summer Games + Rio: Athens (roughly 2.5 mil in 2004), Beijing (8 mil), London (8 mil), Rio (6.5 mil). Which were the BEST ATTENDED? Certainly, not Athens. And with double-hosting duties of the regular Olympics AND a Paralympics, having a large population base becomes even MORE important. Not only will workers, volunteers, ticket-buyers shell out their best energies and pockets for the regular 1st round Games, but you'll need a whole 2nd set of workers, volunteers, ticket-buyers who weren't burnt out from the first round to support and make the Paralympics a success as well. And I would even revise Rogge's projection to put that at a minimum 5 million metro area in order to ensure the success of a double-tandem effort.

But it would be interesting to see Alaska bid for the winter olympics, I would love to see that.

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But it would be interesting to see Alaska bid for the winter olympics, I would love to see that.

Well, it was already tried for 1992. They were out after the 2nd round. It's really NOT a very exciting place. I mean what's the culture there? Oil workers and all these naturalists -- I mean after a 15-minute conversation with big-city folks, what else do you talk about?

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Well, it was already tried for 1992. They were out after the 2nd round. It's really NOT a very exciting place. I mean what's the culture there? Oil workers and all these naturalists -- I mean after a 15-minute conversation with big-city folks, what else do you talk about?

Alaska has natural beauty. and you're right, it wouldn't be as interesting as the games being in a major city like Vancouver, but the idea of the games being Alaska could probably get some interest.

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Well, it was already tried for 1992. They were out after the 2nd round. It's really NOT a very exciting place. I mean what's the culture there? Oil workers and all these naturalists -- I mean after a 15-minute conversation with big-city folks, what else do you talk about?

Alaska has natural beauty. and you're right, it wouldn't be as interesting as the games being in a major city like Vancouver, but the idea of the games being Alaska could probably get some interest.

Again though, their original sell to the USOC was that it would make a good training base for U.S. athletes and it would be an ideal spot to leave a Winter Olympics legacy (which is a lot different than what a Summer Olympics offers). Even if you discount the culture and the size of the region and related factors, the fact remains that its remote location is likely too big a negative to overcome in the eyes of the USOC. We talk about the shortcomings of the big 3 of U.S. winter candidates and Anchorage is a level well below them in terms of negatives.

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Again though, their original sell to the USOC was that it would make a good training base for U.S. athletes and it would be an ideal spot to leave a Winter Olympics legacy (which is a lot different than what a Summer Olympics offers). Even if you discount the culture and the size of the region and related factors, the fact remains that its remote location is likely too big a negative to overcome in the eyes of the USOC. We talk about the shortcomings of the big 3 of U.S. winter candidates and Anchorage is a level well below them in terms of negatives.

Yes, everything you're saying is correct. An Alaska olympics would be fun, but it's not going to happen. Personally I think the USOC should just focus on getting the summer games, but winter would be nice too.

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Brisbane, Australia considers also 2024 bidding

And they're dreaming if they think they have a chance. Oz is dreaming if it it thinks it has a chance in the next few decades.

We have a whole thread for Brissie already - we're not the 51st state yet, so probably not that relevant to a USA thread.

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And they're dreaming if they think they have a chance. Oz is dreaming if it it thinks it has a chance in the next few decades.

We have a whole thread for Brissie already - we're not the 51st state yet, so probably not that relevant to a USA thread.

why not?

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Oh, and don't forget the pearl of the Pacific Honiara, capital of the Solomon Islands...I'm sure they could benefit from an Olympics dividend! Or how about Papeete, the capital of French Polynesia? Beautiful beaches, great weather, pristine water - what more could you want?

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Atlanta 1996, Salt Lake city 2002

United States - population over 300,000,000

Australia - population around 22,000,000

Do we seriously need to spell these out for you?

I have an idea though. Since you mentioned New Zealand, let's have the Olympics there and have the Opening and Closing Ceremony at Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu so that can be the official name of the bid.

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Atlanta 1996, Salt Lake city 2002

Australia = small-to-middle ranked sporting and political country that has done extremely well to already host twice in history of modern games.

USA = political and sporting superpower, and single biggest source of income for the IOC.

Brisbane = (at present) overgrown country town/hicksville (sorry Darcy). (in future) maybe a booming and high profile metropolis, maybe not. Contact the IOC when/if it ever becomes so, and 50 years or so are passed since Sydney.

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Yes, but Port-Au-Prince has never hosted so surely they must be the favorite for 2024, followed by Antananarivo for 2028 and Reykjavik in 2032... Equality for all!

You forgot major cities like Paris, Durban, Madrid, Toronto, Buenos Aires

United States - population over 300,000,000

Australia - population around 22,000,000

Do we seriously need to spell these out for you?

I have an idea though. Since you mentioned New Zealand, let's have the Olympics there and have the Opening and Closing Ceremony at Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu so that can be the official name of the bid.

Ok then according the popylation

China = 1,347,350,000 (only one olympics)

India = 1,210,193,422 (no competition yet)

USA = political and sporting superpower, and single biggest source of income for the IOC.

Τhen to name Olympic Games "Coca cola and Mc Donalds Games"

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Τhen to name Olympic Games "Coca cola and Mc Donalds Games"

Well, they're among the longest-serving and reliable TOP sponsors. The IOC's done well out of their contributions to the coffers.

Ultimately, Oz has more than had their fair share to date. We've punched above our weight to have had two games of our own so far.

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USA (total medals won in summer games) = 2401

Qatar (total medals won in summer games) = 4 (all bronze)

Number of World Cups the USA has qualified for the finals = 9

Number of World Cups Qatar has qualified for the finals = 0

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USA (total medals won in summer games) = 2401

Qatar (total medals won in summer games) = 4 (all bronze)

Number of World Cups the USA has qualified for the finals = 9

Number of World Cups Qatar has qualified for the finals = 0

3 of those bronze medals were from bought athletes so its really 1 bronze which they only won in London.

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The thing is George, the next time the USA bids for a games, the bulk of the IOC rank and file may well not vote for its candidate because they think the USA has hosted more than it's fair share. For all the talk that bad relations between the IOC and the USOC were chiefly to blame for scuppering the last few US bids, latent anti-Americanism and fatigue need to be factored in as well. It's something the USA will always have to be aware of and factor into their efforts.

But that said, there's no doubt that the USA has contributed more materially to the Games than anyone else in its history since 1896. And it's a huge country, with far more viable potential host cities than anywhere else, and a lot of regional variations within that large roster of potentials. They also hold enormous sway in the Games' organisation – it's the only country that can really dictate scheduling of events at “offshore” Games, for example, to suit its domestic TV viewing audience. It's totally understandable to expect them to host more than others. And it probably isn't wise for the IOC to ignore them for too long – the Olympics need the USA more than the USA needs the Olympics.

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