Gangwon Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Here's a different diagram showing the venues planned for Pyeongchang and Gangneung. The venues for figure skating, short track, hockey, speed skating, sliding and downhill skiing will be slated for completion by October 2016, and all the Olympic venues will hold competitive events by February 2017. The ski jump is built, and so is the biathlon and Nordic centers at Alpensia, but I hope the IBU gives their input on the biathlon course as well, since there's plenty of time to make adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 My two wishes are the Olympic Stadium is changed (not happening) and the capacity of the main hockey arena is increased to at least 14,000 seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 My two wishes are the Olympic Stadium is changed (not happening) and the capacity of the main hockey arena is increased to at least 14,000 seats. If I'm not mistaken, the Union Hockey Center is supposed to hold around 10 000 seats? That's in line with the seating capacity for the hockey arenas for Nagano and Torino, and even the men's gold medal matches for 1998 and 2006 didn't exceed 10 000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 If I'm not mistaken, the Union Hockey Center is supposed to hold around 10 000 seats? That's in line with the seating capacity for the hockey arenas for Nagano and Torino, and even the men's gold medal matches for 1998 and 2006 didn't exceed 10 000. Sochi's is 12,000 -14,000 Turin's was 12,000. Vancouver was 19,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Sochi's is 12,000 -14,000 Turin's was 12,000. Vancouver was 19,000. It varies -- that's why each WOGs/SOGs is different. Gangneung DOESN'T need a 15,000-seater afterwards. 10,000 is fine for its short- and long-term needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Sochi's is 12,000 -14,000 Turin's was 12,000. Vancouver was 19,000. You can't compare to Vancouver's arena, home of the Canucks. No one can compete with that. Vancouver's the rare exception of having the Games in a hockey-mad city. Even Salt Lake didn't have any games reach 10 000 capacity. And Turin had 12 000 seats but they were never filled to capacity. What would be the point in having Pyeongchang (or Nagano, Salt Lake, Turin) build a 12 000 seat arena if they won't be filled anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 It varies -- that's why each WOGs/SOGs is different. The Alpensia/Gangneung areas DON'T need a 15,000-seater afterwards. 10,000 is fine for their long-term needs. Either way its being moved to Wonju which is a much larger city and can use a 12-15,000 seat new arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Either way its being moved to Wonju which is a much larger city and can use a 12-15,000 seat new arena. Oh, that's the one being moved. So, maybe it'll get increased in the new location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Oh, that's the one being moved. So, maybe it'll get increased in the new location. Thats the thing why not do it for the Olympics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Thats the thing why not do it for the Olympics? Why do it at all? Gangneung/Wonju isn't Helsinki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Thats the thing why not do it for the Olympics? Because that's what their budget and seating projections are. A smaller venue also CREATES higher ticket demand; so that's another reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTimeOnly Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Why should the Olympic Stadium be changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Why do it at all? Gangneung/Wonju isn't Helsinki. It would first help develop hockey, attract hockey related events to Wonju after the Games and finally it could help attract other events such as concert to Wonju (whose current arena is old and only holds about 3,330). If its being moved, surely the number of seats can be removed so 15,000 isn't a big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 It would first help develop hockey, attract hockey related events to Wonju after the Games and finally it could help attract other events such as concert to Wonju (whose current arena is old and only holds about 3,330). If its being moved, surely the number of seats can be removed so 15,000 isn't a big problem. I'm not disputing that moving seats won't be a big problem. They are capable of moving a 50 000 seater stadium of they really wanted to. The point is that a 14 000 stadium isn't needed for the Olympics, and it isn't needed in Wonju afterwards. An arena upgrade from 3300 to 10 000 is already massive for the city of Wonju. For the Olympics, like Baron said, there are advantages in having a smaller, more dense stadium than a larger yet emptier stadium. I'm sure the NHLers would love to play in a packed house even if the arena is smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 For the Olympics, like Baron said, there are advantages in having a smaller, more dense stadium than a larger yet emptier stadium. I'm sure the NHLers would love to play in a packed house even if the arena is smaller. For any of the sports w/ 2 opposing teams, usually only the host-nation games and the medal events SELL OUT. But like in football prelims, those 40,000 stadia sit half empty for the PRELIM rounds. Same thing for those hockey rounds. Therefore, a 15,000 will NOT always fill up except for the medal rounds -- thus, a smallish city does NOT really need a big arena. And again, you can CHARGE higher prices for a smaller seat venue. I think Lake Placid's Ice House (built for 1980) only seats 9,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 For any of the sports w/ 2 opposing teams, usually only the host-nation games and the medal events SELL OUT. But like in football prelims, those 40,000 stadia sit half empty for the PRELIM rounds. Same thing for those hockey rounds. Therefore, a 15,000 will NOT always fill up except for the medal rounds -- thus, a smallish city does NOT really need a big arena. And again, you can CHARGE higher prices for a smaller seat venue. I think Lake Placid's Ice House (built for 1980) only seats 9,000. I disagree what makes you think they will be unsold? the difference between 15,000 and 40,000 is vast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I disagree what makes you think they will be unsold? the difference between 15,000 and 40,000 is vast. 1. Not everybody is Canadian; therefore NOT as hockey-mad as you are. 2. Just extrapolate. And the IOC and the IFs approve these capacities anyway. The IOC advised Sydney that an 80,000 Olympic stadium would do just fine. No; they went ahead and built a 100,000 seater. Well, to their regret, it only filled up for the Opening, CLosing Ceremonies and one or 2 of the T&F finals. 3. It's a matter of budget. Maybe the difference between a 15,000-seat and a 10,000 seat-hall is $40-60 million? (I am guessing) ANd they want to stick to their budget?? 4. Certainly a 15,000 seat will require larger, stronger, obstruction-free trusses able to withstand so much snow accumulation on its roof -- than a 10,000 seater. Maybe the cost of those past a certain length are extraordinarily high as to muck up their budget? Maybe local construction codes will require double the # of bathrooms, # of exits, # of parking spaces, etc., etc. Maybe the land set aside for it in both Gangneung and Wonju can only accommodate a 10,000-stadium? There are many factors we are not privy too -- but I am sure their choice is based on sound factors that WORK FOR THEM...not for an outsider. U're becoming like that Jim6666, demanding seat and stadium criteria that uhmmm....the organizers and planners really aren't going to follow or care about. The point is: if it's good enough for them, who are outsiders to dictate and say otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 1. Not everybody is Canadian; therefore NOT as hockey-mad as you are. 2. Just extrapolate. And the IOC and the IFs approve these capacities anyway. The IOC advised Sydney that an 80,000 Olympic stadium would do just fine. No; they went ahead and built a 100,000 seater. Well, to their regret, it only filled up for the Opening, CLosing Ceremonies and one or 2 of the T&F finals. 3. It's a matter of budget. Maybe the difference between a 15,000-seat and a 10,000 seat-hall is $40-60 million? (I am guessing) ANd they want to stick to their budget?? 4. Certainly a 15,000 seat will require larger, stronger, obstruction-free trusses able to withstand so much snow accumulation on its roof -- than a 10,000 seater. Maybe the cost of those past a certain length are extraordinarily high as to muck up their budget? Maybe local construction codes will require double the # of bathrooms, # of exits, # of parking spaces, etc., etc. Maybe the land set aside for it in both Gangneung and Wonju can only accommodate a 10,000-stadium? There are many factors we are not privy too -- but I am sure their choice is based on sound factors that WORK FOR THEM...not for an outsider. U're becoming like that Jim6666, demanding seat and stadium criteria that uhmmm....the organizers and planners really aren't going to follow or care about. The point is: if it's good enough for them, who are outsiders to dictate and say otherwise? The reason why is the NHL has said before they need good incentives to go play in the Olympics, playing an arena half the size of Vancouver's isn't. I honestly don't care about the size, but I do mind when the arena could be a tad bit bigger and still be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 The reason why is the NHL has said before they need good incentives to go play in the Olympics, playing an arena half the size of Vancouver's isn't. Perhaps they'd like to put some of their wealth towards the cost of the extra seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Olympic Stadium (capacity of 60,000 with expansion of 45,000 temporary seats) IOC Hotel Alpensia slopes (have 6) I don't trust Gangneung to downhill just 30 minutes and Incheon Airport to Pyeongchang just 68 minutes. It's hard to understand. They did not consider that interval and bus transfer, traffic time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Anyone have the renderings of the Olympic Stadium with the 60,000 seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Anyone have the renderings of the Olympic Stadium with the 60,000 seats? Bid Committee did not make the rendering. Like Lillehammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 2014 Muju-Jeonju planned. Muju-Jeonju was held in 1997 Winter Univeriade. Muju is the largest resort in South Korea along with Yongpyeong. Jeonju has a population of 630,000. All snow venues within 10 minutes in Muju resort. Only downhill located 15km away. Ice venues in Jeonju 65km away from Muju resort. Ceremonies in Jeonju 2002 World Cup stadium and short track / figure and speed oval, athletes village within 10 minutes in 2002 World Cup stadium. Just curling venue 15km away from Jeonju and ice hockey 5km. If nominated for 2014 ice hockey and curling would have been placed in 2002 World Cup stadium. I think Muju-Jeonju was better than Pyeongchang. But, this plan was thwarted by FIS downhill inspection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I think Muju-Jeonju was better than Pyeongchang. But, this plan was thwarted by FIS downhill inspection. And, of course, the FIS know nothing about snow sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 i agree muju looks better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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