Soaring Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) I would be surprised if Madrid sat this one out. It looks like the 2020 race will be a European showdown if Durban stays out. They probably think that PC's persistence is evidence that they could nab a Games this time around. I am doubtful of their support increasing much beyond the 31 or 32 votes they received in the 2012 and 2016 elections. Samranch is gone, but he did have a dying wish that surely some in the IOC will continue to respect. They certainly can't use the "Latin Games" argument from their 2016 bid. They had a good presentation to the IOC last time around, and a solid bid with existing venues IMO. What are your thoughts on a potential Madrid 2020 bid? Edited July 9, 2011 by Soaring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 It all depends on the populace of Madrid and their economy. But even w/ old man JAS gone, they still have 3 IOC members (JAS, Jr., La Infanta Pilar and the new guy Perurena Lopez). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Madrid's support for 2012 was nearly good enough. Remember, the London team were relieved they were up against Paris in the final round as their calculations showed a Madrid-London showdown would have resulted in a Spanish victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ñuto Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 It all depends on the populace of Madrid and their economy. But even w/ old man JAS gone, they still have 3 IOC members (JAS, Jr., La Infanta Pilar and the new guy Perurena Lopez). the spanish members are: Samaranch Jr., Marisol Casado and José Perurena. Pilar de Borbón is out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidm Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 the spanish members are: Samaranch Jr., Marisol Casado and José Perurena. Pilar de Borbón is out Yet another factual error by that blowhard, Miles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Yet another factual error by that blowhard, Miles. Oh, good 4 u, dipstick. Clean up after me; I need someone to do that. Yeah, ho-hum. I'm gonna lose sleep over that. And u can't even spell my name right. But that's OK; I won't get hemorroids over that..like you. Edited July 11, 2011 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ñuto Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Oh, good 4 u, dipstick. Clean up after me; I need someone to do that. Yeah, ho-hum. I'm gonna lose sleep over that. And u can't even spell my name right. But that's OK; I won't get hemorroids over that..like you. a serious mistake for an ISOH member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Spain has other Problems, and then they shouldn´t waste money for Olympic Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 According to Spanish media, tomorrow at 12 pm (CET) the Madrid 2020 bid will be officially launched. The two main political parties in Madrid (PP and PSOE) support the bid, and even though we don't know what the other two parties (IU and UPyD) think about it, the votes from the first two are enough for the project to receive the majority it needs. After that, probably on July 20th, the Spanish Olympic Committee will approve the bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troupe Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 It's official now, the mayor of Madrid, together with the leader of opposition in the council, has confirmed the bid in a special press conference. He has said 80% of the infrastructure is already built and that no new investment in infrastructure for the other 20% will be made until after Madrid is awarded the games in 2013. So his seling point was that the bid will be austere and effective because of the previous bids. The minoritary parties in the council IU and UPyD have said they will support the bid as long as long as new investment in infrastructure is not made until the final decision is taken in 2013. The spokesperson of the central Spanish government José Blanco has supported the bid with reserves as long as it doesn't mean new costs. The leader of PP (and the most probable new PM next year) Mariano Rajoy has supported the bid saying that there are serious chances, most investment in infrastructure has already being made, and about the current financial crisis he has said it will take time for the decision to be taken and for the games to be celebrated. Agencia EFE El PaÃs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanisMinor Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 It's official now, the mayor of Madrid, together with the leader of opposition in the council, has confirmed the bid in a special press conference. So, so far for 2020 we only have cities from two practically bankrupt nations in Europe bidding. Since Germany will thus be financing the games, can we just pick Berlin, please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Wow, what lies will IOC members be telling each other now as to whom they will support - Rome, Madrid, Berlin? If Berlin and Qatar bids are accepted, how will the alliances form? Will Madrid again ally itself with Qatar to take Rome out in the first round? Will Berlin and Istanbul ally with each other? I think 2020 will be just as interesting as the past races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Doha cant see the final 5...all sport media is against them after 2022 curious victory madrid rome ... well germany will finance these games , and so they serve berlin which is a stronger bid rather them. madrid can be at the final again but 2020 is not for them to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Everone here should have tattooed on their typing fingers: "NEVER underestimate a Spain bid!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Wow, what lies will IOC members be telling each other now as to whom they will support - Rome, Madrid, Berlin? If Berlin and Qatar bids are accepted, how will the alliances form? Will Madrid again ally itself with Qatar to take Rome out in the first round? Will Berlin and Istanbul ally with each other? I think 2020 will be just as interesting as the past races. The shortlist will be also interesting. Maybe are we seeing the most unpredictable race in recent time? So many variants... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 The shortlist will be also interesting. Maybe are we seeing the most unpredictable race in recent time? So many variants... And just about every potential mentioned here has a drawback (a recent hosting etc, a quake, a financial problem etc). It could be a veeerrrry even, close race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 And also, continental rotation will not play a role... Even an US or Canada city has chances, since Rio 2016 made it too clear about South America being a separate continent for IOC. And just about every potential mentioned here has a drawback (a recent hosting etc, a quake, a financial problem etc). It could be a veeerrrry even, close race. Or if one of this variants prevail, we can have a landslide victory... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 And also, continental rotation will not play a role... Even an US or Canada city has chances, since Rio 2016 made it too clear about South America being a separate continent for IOC. Well, slight chance, but I do think the IOC sees it all as the Americas. I don't think Rio did any favours for Canada's or the US's chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gucci Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Well, slight chance, but I do think the IOC sees it all as the Americas. I don't think Rio did any favours for Canada's or the US's chances. I doubt its a colossal issue. A solid bid from Toronto and Chicago (or NYC) added into the mix of this race would be quite exciting. Now that Madrid's bid is official, I wish them good luck. It will be tough for them. I still think it's a bad move on their part. If its Rome vs. Madrid on a final ballot, Rome should prevail. If Madrid wants to have any chance at winning they need to devise some type of strategy to get Rome eliminated from the final ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Well, slight chance, but I do think the IOC sees it all as the Americas. I don't think Rio did any favours for Canada's or the US's chances. I think opponents of an American bid will probably use it, but I think it won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I think opponents of an American bid will probably use it, but I think it won't work. I think it's all intellectual anyway. I'm 99.999999999999 per cent sure the USA will NOT bid. And I have very strong doubts Canada will either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I think it's all intellectual anyway. I'm 99.999999999999 per cent sure the USA will NOT bid. And I have very strong doubts Canada will either. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave199 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Good luck Madrid! You never know what might happen unless you take another chance. I must say I'm concerned about the country's economic state and the billions that would be spent on a Madrid Olympics. It's been said many times already so I won't bother getting into detail here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Madrid will give Rome a run for their money -- the problem is that neither Madrid nor Rome really has any money. I'd definitely take Madrid seriously and I don't expect the IOC to start paying attention to financial realities until they have no other choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) So we have our first official carry over from the 2016 race. Based off my knowledge of their last bid, here are some of their strengths: - Many existing venues already in place. - They do seem to have a basic swell of support in the IOC that they can count on - Great public support (90%+ from their 2016 bid) - Very solid public transit - Positive history as previous hosts Some weaknesses I can already see: - Hosted in 1992, and is a smallish country to host a SOG so soon. - Lacks JAS now. Interesting to see how far they can get in the voting rounds without him. - Doesn't have much of an "it" factor if you ask me. The city is not a mega international city like London, Paris or NYC, and to me it does not have too much natural beauty to it either. I have no doubts Madrid will put forth a solid bid again. Many of their venues are already in place, so they may play the "most sensible" bid card. Problem is, the IOC has not shown an interest in going the "sensible" route, but more the "compelling" route. They need to some how muster a compelling bid this time. I thought their 2016 bid looked a bit childish. I would have preferred more sleek, but still with a keen approach to find ways to attract young people to their bid. They had fantastic public support, so that should not be a problem for them this time either. I don't see the financial crisis reigning too much on their parade, and may not even be much of an issue in 2013. Past history says not to count Madrid out. The IOC might just want to send another message to future bids saying "persistence pays off". Especially if they get a low amount of bids for 2020. Edited July 14, 2011 by Soaring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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