Frenchy Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Yeah, but lets also look at how close Paris was for 2012. Just a few votes shy from winning. Just like PyeongChang for 2010 & 2014. Thanks FYI for the reality check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I'd love to be party to the post-mortem discussions by the French team in the cocktail bars of Durban after the vote or at the breakfast bars this morning. It always hurts to lose, and it's gotta be discouraging. Us 'Arrogants' would bore you with our 'arrogant' conversations on 'arrogant' subjects! Oh and don't believe for one moment that we're discouraged..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Us 'Arrogants' would bore you with our 'arrogant' conversations on 'arrogant' subjects! Oh and don't believe for one moment that we're discouraged..... Maybe I should just make allowance for obvious post-vote hangover and disappointment and let this one pass, but, hey, It's hard to not to take such an attack personally. First, I challenge you to show me where I've ever referred to France or the French as arrogants. I may have made the odd jibe at times - as I have at just about any nationality, including my fellow Aussies at times. But "arrogant" - I know only too well how sensitive and subjective a tag that is when discussing French bidding on GamesBids and have striven to avoid it. For the record, I think the Annecy bid was in no way arrogant - it couldn't be, it was struggling too much to try and make any headway in the campaign. Secondly, while I have critiqued the Annecy campaign throughout the past few years, and never shied away from stating my (since proved totally correct) opinion that it stood little chance of getting much IOC voting support for organisational, timing and geopolitical reasons, I have also acknowledged - and even defended - the quality of its bid plan and the beauty and infrastructural excellence of the Haute Savoie region. If I have vigorously refuted some supporters like Tulsa, it was because of their utterly discrageful and racist spamming campaign against Korea, not for him supporting his home town. As to you taking exception to me wanting to know what the French NOC is thinking now - well, of course I do, just as I'd love to know what the Germans, the Spanish, the Japanese, the Americans, the Italians ... even the Koreans ... are pondering now. France has just weathered a VERY disappointing result - it's totally natural to want to know where they plan to go to from here. If Paris were to bid for 2020, for example, I would probably be the one I'd WANT to support most at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjs2 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With costs associated with hosting the Summer Games astronomical the IOC needs to keep the Asians happy as more and more Games will eventually head that way. Plus Japan is now a three-peat bidder too - Osaka 2008, Tokyo 2106 and now Tokyo 2020. Add in new legacy for the Japanese youth, the Earthquake/nuclear meltdown recovery (assuming there are no major Christchurch like aftershocks coming) and they have a compelling story. I think people make too much of "the Asians". A paucity of Asian games helps with the map card, but there's not the same sense of solidarity that there is in Europe such that awarding a games to China makes Japan happy, or a games in Korea makes China happy. There's still a lot of ongoing suspicion, contention, and competitiveness between these places...and that will be evident even when they're not bidding against one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 ^^^^ While we're still in post mortem mode, an interesting analysis from Korea itself. And it hardly champions Euro-solidarity: Regional voting played role in Pyeongchang selectionBy Kwon Oh-sang, Senior Staff Writer It is hard to see Pyeongchang’s overwhelming victory as merely the result of its credibility. In the international sporting world of Olympic bidding, a heartless logic not unlike warfare reigns supreme. One benefit that Pyeongchang’s victory brings other countries, however, is the chance to win the next Olympics, or the Olympics after next. AP reported from Ittigen, in Switzerland, on July 7 that the Swiss Olympic Committee, as if it had been waiting for Pyeongchang to be chosen as host for the Olympics, had announced plans to open committees to evaluate St Moritz, Davos and Geneva as candidate cities for the 2022 Winter Olympics on August 11. Switzerland, which has no less than five members on the International Olympic Committee (IOC), more than any other country, had already been openly opposing Munich’s bid for a few months in order to boast its own chances of winning the games of the 124th Olympiad. Foreign news agencies have also reported that Quebec will soon announce whether or not it is to make a bid for the Winter Olympics. Two Canadian IOC members took part in the vote. A considerable number of countries will be opposing Munich’s bid, directly or indirectly. These include Rome and Madrid, which entered early into the battle to host the 2020 Summer Olympics, and Amsterdam, Warsaw, Toronto and Philadelphia, which have not given up their own aspirations of hosting the games. Italy has four IOC members, second only to Switzerland, while Spain, the Netherlands, Poland and the United States have two, one, one and three respectively. In this scenario, Annecy and Munich constituted competitors that threatened to scatter the European vote. France, meanwhile, is painting a larger picture of its own: hosting the 2024 Summer Olympics. France was the home of Baron Pierre de Coubertin, the man who founded the Olympics, and hosted the 2nd (1900) and 8th (1924) games. 2024 marks 100 years since Paris last hosted the Olympics. The city failed, however, to win bids in 1992, 2008 and 2012. Durban, the city that provided hope to Pyeongchang, also has hopes of its own for 2024. Its bid is justified by the fact that hosting the games would be a first for the African continent, just as Rio’s 2016 games are the first for South America. Despite the fact that South Africa has just one IOC member, it is likely to have gained strength from Pyeongchang’s bid this time. Other countries in Asia, however, have sustained more damage from Pyeongchang’s success. There is no way that Tokyo, which is attempting to win the 2020 Summer Olympics, will welcome Pyeongchang‘s victory. Consecutive hosting of the Olympics in the same continent is almost unheard of. China, which hoped, like Kazakhstan, to host the next Winter Olympics, was hostile to Pyeongchang’s bid but had insufficient voting power to overturn the general trend. Pyeongchang’s overwhelming victory was the result of such careful calculations of international interests surrounding Olympic bids. The Hankyoreh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 (snip) Explanation accepted. I withdraw my remark..... <disappears over the horizon> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Fair enough! For the record, I think the French bid team did the best actually at Durban - in the days leading up to the vote and in their presentation. Just such a pity the earlier problems meant it didn't manage to be able to project such passion till too late. And VERY impressed by Beigbeder - again pity he didn't lead the team till so late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 You forgot "Nature" on your loser list. No, I'm a winner. Winter Olympics in my country. Welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Considering that they came mere votes away from victory for 2010 and 2014, a games in PyeongChang was inevitable. So their win for the 2018 Games was to get it over and done with and push any other Asian bid out of the way for a round or two. This lines things up very nicely for Europe again in either 2020, 2022 or 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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