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Paris by not bidding for 2020, & Rome then gets it, means that the earlist the French could have a go at it again is for 2028. So either way, they're not going to hit their "centennial" target preference of 2024. So Y not grab the bull by the horns now. Guess it all depends whether Paris wants the Olympics later rather than sooner.

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What's so special about getting it on your centenial anyway? The Olympics come around every 4 years, and most of us only see the Games once or twice in their country in their lifetimes, if that at all. When you see an opening, you go for it.

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I know. It's not like that aspect alone wins enough IOC votes, if any. Paris needs to stop thinking that way, if that indeed is the way that they're thinking. They can just ask Athens how that angle worked out for them for '96.

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Unfortunately, when you read L'Equipe dated today that is exactly how they think right now. :(

Objective Paris 2024, Centennial, blah blah...

I fear they will never learn.

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Guess it all depends whether Paris wants the Olympics later rather than sooner.

Except the later it gets, the more prime real estate for nearer venues, OV, will get gobbled up...thereby putting permanent installations farther & farther out of the city. Well, maybe Paris has just developed a 'don't care' mojo like New York.

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If that's really the case, then sorry to say, they're just plain dumb.

I mean, just ask Munich how their "nostalgic" angle of being the first city to host both Summer & Winter Games as part of their bid worked out for 'em.

Those type of aspects don't seem to move the IOC members very much. Someone needs to shine some light on those Paris officials!

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If that's really the case, then sorry to say, they're just plain dumb.

I mean, just ask Munich how their "nostalgic" angle of being the first city to host both Summer & Winter Games as part of their bid worked out for 'em.

I don't think they really played that angle big. It was more the "Festival of Friendship" which really doesn't enforce a STRONG technical winter suit either.

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That's too bad. If Durban sits out 2020, but bids for 2024 or 2028, it will close the window on a European bid if Rome or another city wins 2020. I don't know why they even put their energies in the 2018 race.

If Paris was smart they'd make an official announcement or release an official press release that a 2024 Olympic bid is in the process of being studied and planned. They need to keep the idea alive inside the minds of IOC members. Stress the 100th centennial!!! They may influence some IOC members not to vote for either Rome or Madrid for 2020.

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If Paris was smart they'd make an official announcement or release an official press release that a 2024 Olympic bid is in the process of being studied and planned. They need to keep the idea alive inside the minds of IOC members. Stress the 100th centennial!!! They may influence some IOC members not to vote for either Rome or Madrid for 2020.

Actually, that's a fair enough strategy if they aren't going for 2020 and really do have 2024 in their sights. It's about all they can do if they plan to sit 2020 out.

Doubt it would be really effective, though, if all the IOC have to choose from is strong Euro bids.

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Actually, that's a fair enough strategy if they aren't going for 2020 and really do have 2024 in their sights. It's about all they can do if they plan to sit 2020 out.

Doubt it would be really effective, though, if all the IOC have to choose from is strong Euro bids.

The IOC will have other options besides a Euro bid, especially if a U.S. & Canadian bid are put forward, plus you have Istanbul as an option, between Europe/Asia so it really wouldn't rule out a European city for 2024.

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Unfortunately, when you read L'Equipe dated today that is exactly how they think right now. :(

Objective Paris 2024, Centennial, blah blah...

I fear they will never learn.

That's'just journalists things.

In the olympic and sport business circle, the centenial anniversary is not argument.

The main concern is to clarify what type of governance are we able to create in order to be successful.

And yes, to answer another post, if going for the 2024 games, the idea would be to announce it early in advance in order to plan the 2017 election among 4 years and let the voters kno in 2013 of the next bid.

But this is a long process... There is so much to do!

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I imagine the French newspapers in 2013:

"OMG Rome got the Games... why didn't we bid ?" and then the usual IOC-bashing and finger pointing.

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Yep, especially when the IOC clearly voted for Asia a couple of days ago, despite there being 2 very viable options from Europe on the table.

2020 is shaping up like 2012 did, "destined" (as some on here said back then) for Europe. Paris better smartened up if the really want the Olympics sooner rather than later. Or maybe they really have become ho-hum about it & don't care anymore, & they're just gonna give the IOC the middle finger.

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Yep, especially when the IOC clearly voted for Asia a couple of days ago, despite there being 2 very viable options from Europe on the table.

2020 is shaping up like 2012 did, "destined" (as some on here said back then) for Europe. Paris better smartened up if the really want the Olympics sooner rather than later. Or maybe they really have become ho-hum about it & don't care anymore, & they're just gonna give the IOC the middle finger.

Bidding just for bidding because it's Europe time, is not the clue!

You should first know why you want to bid, with who want to bid, how you want to bid.... in clear you have to have a winning bid in term of governance and concept.

Paris & France have actually no possible governance and no good bid concept.... So, no need to urge, and have something good later, even if it is 2028 or 2032

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That's a fair point of course. But even if they want the Olympics a bit later, they still would need to start to get the ball rolling now, since you're saying that they have no foundations in place at all right now. Since we all know, having a good Olympic plan & strategy can't be thrown together overnight.

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Well, many places have done it. Reno has been waiting to get the green light for years. And he did say '2028' or 2032. So I was mainly going by 2028, which in Olympic years, isn't really that long since that'll be awarded in 2021. So the campaign on that would get started in 2019, & the candidates should all be ready to go, with strategy in hand, way before that. So, that's not really too early to start the motivation & plan in Olympic terms.

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That's a fair point of course. But even if they want the Olympics a bit later, they still would need to start to get the ball rolling now, since you're saying that they have no foundations in place at all right now. Since we all know, having a good Olympic plan & strategy can't be thrown together overnight.

Yes

Let's try to imagine what a retro-planning could be for a 2028 bid....

2028 : Games Time

2021 : 2028 Election

2020 - 2021 : Candidate Phase

2019 - 2020 : Applicant Phase

2013 - 2020 : Construction of new facilities, infrastructures and organisation of international events to create momentum !

2013 - 2014 : Games concept development...

2012 - 2014 : Feasibility studies & Updates of the Grand Paris' concept !

2011 - 2012 : Governance renewal !

So a concept far outside Paris with the construction of a new olympic stadium (event partly temporary as the London's one !)

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It's not a big issue' date=' and like they did for the 2012 bid compared to the 2008 one, I think they'll try to make a partially different bid (which makes sense since the previous one(s) have failed).

If you take a look at the 2008 bid you can see that the Olympic village was planned to be located near the Stade de France with some other large venues, in the Plaine-St-Denis area. (a bit like the London 2012 Olympic Park [img']http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img])

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And if they want to keep the idea of the 2012 bid (two clusters, the village between them), I think there's still vast undeveloped areas in the northwestern Paris, such as in St-Ouen (see the pics below) which is very close to the Batignolles (planned site in the 2012 bid).

Of course it's just an example but here is the site:

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From SSC

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Interesting... but only a third of the surface is available. And there will be huge issue on transportation. Far from the Paris loop road and not easy to resolve the main problems.

I know well this area, as I worked 3/4 years ago in the city near by. And the bank of the Seine were a nightmare.... But by privatizing the bank of the Seine with a Olympic Road

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Interesting interview of the Former Sport Minister & Olympic Champion Jean-Francois Lamour.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Aussi/breves2011/20110711_164117_-un-probleme-avec-l-olympisme.html

Sorry no time to translate or summarize yet, but interesting analysis before the French NOC meeting tomorrow !

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