gotosy Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 IOC shortlisted baseball, karate, roller sports, softball, sports climbing, squash, wakeboard and wushu, to be considered for inclusion to the 2020 Olympics. ...The EB also agreed on a shortlist of sports that will be considered for inclusion in the sports programme of the 2020 Olympiad. The sports are: baseball, karate, roller sports, softball, sports climbing, squash, wakeboard and wushu, one of which could be added to the 2020 sports programme to be voted on by the 125th IOC Session in Buenos Aires in 2013. The programme can include a maximum of 28 sports. IOC
OneTimeOnly Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 Only one can be selected, and I think it might be wushu. Not a lot of cost and the martial sports will be equally represented. Judo (Japan), Taekwondo (Korea), and Wushu (China).
intoronto Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 First of all there are already 28 sports on the program meaning one will needs to be dropped for a new one to enter. The two closes to being dropped are Modern Pentathlon and Taekwondo. (If taekwondo is dropped look for Wushu or Karate to take its spot). Lets run down the sports: Baseball/Softball- will be a mixed bid with softball so equal representation in both sexes, however with high athlete numbers (close to 300 athletes for both tournaments) is a con. Baseball and softball also have agreed to share a venue. Chance is about (7/10) Karate- Popular sport with over 150 NF's however with already three combative sports its unlikely, but if taekwondo were to be dropped then its chances become much higher (8/10). Roller sports- relative low cost venue and youth appeal, cons can't think of any so chances (except it always receives low votes) (6/10) Sports climbing - Who knew a sport existed because of that (0/10) Squash - I can't really see the IOC having another racket sport (tennis, table tennis and badminton), but with it receiving high amount of votes last time, there is a chance, I say (6/10). Wakeboard - is a sub discipline of water skiing I can't see this happening, especially considering wakeboarding is only competed by men at the Pan American Games. (2/10) Wushu- the wildcard not well known across the world as other similar sports such as wrestling and judo, but is gaining on popularity. If taekwondo is dropped then it stands a good chance, but is blocked by karate. I say a chance of (5/10).
USA Gold Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 First of all there are already 28 sports on the program meaning one will needs to be dropped for a new one to enter. The two closes to being dropped are Modern Pentathlon and Taekwondo. (If taekwondo is dropped look for Wushu or Karate to take its spot). Lets run down the sports: Baseball/Softball- will be a mixed bid with softball so equal representation in both sexes, however with high athlete numbers (close to 300 athletes for both tournaments) is a con. Baseball and softball also have agreed to share a venue. Chance is about (7/10) Karate- Popular sport with over 150 NF's however with already three combative sports its unlikely, but if taekwondo were to be dropped then its chances become much higher (8/10). Roller sports- relative low cost venue and youth appeal, cons can't think of any so chances (except it always receives low votes) (6/10) Sports climbing - Who knew a sport existed because of that (0/10) Squash - I can't really see the IOC having another racket sport (tennis, table tennis and badminton), but with it receiving high amount of votes last time, there is a chance, I say (6/10). Wakeboard - is a sub discipline of water skiing I can't see this happening, especially considering wakeboarding is only competed by men at the Pan American Games. (2/10) Wushu- the wildcard not well known across the world as other similar sports such as wrestling and judo, but is gaining on popularity. If taekwondo is dropped then it stands a good chance, but is blocked by karate. I say a chance of (5/10). The only way baseball and softball could share a venue is if the infield was totally skinned for baseball. That's not gonna happen. You really can't play baseball and softball at a high level in the same venue. The dimension are to different to be compatable.
intoronto Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 The only way baseball and softball could share a venue is if the infield was totally skinned for baseball. That's not gonna happen. You really can't play baseball and softball at a high level in the same venue. The dimension are to different to be compatable. The IBAF and ISF have agreed though to share a venue and the overlays do not take much time.
USA Gold Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 The IBAF and ISF have agreed though to share a venue and the overlays do not take much time. OK, so what is there plan? Are they going to have fewer teams than in the previous Olympic games. If not, it's impossible to work. Just look at the previous games' schedules. Also, you would have to play baseball first because its easier to skin off the grass infield than to place sod and have it take in a day or two. I just do see how the logistics would work.
Texas Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 Baseball won't happen because the IBAF won't be able to convince Major League Baseball to send its players to the Olympics. And because of that, the IOC most likely will vote to keep baseball (and softball) out of the 2020 Olympics.
Faster Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 I only see squash as a possible inclusion and I think the IOC will be willing to allow a 29th sport. Squash in the Coliseum, or in front of the Effiel Tower or at the Brandenburg Gate or where-ever there is an iconic location is too much to pass up and after decades of throwing bones to Asia and Africa, a more traditional sport is logical.
intoronto Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 OK, so what is there plan? Are they going to have fewer teams than in the previous Olympic games. If not, it's impossible to work. Just look at the previous games' schedules. Also, you would have to play baseball first because its easier to skin off the grass infield than to place sod and have it take in a day or two. I just do see how the logistics would work. Baseball won't happen because the IBAF won't be able to convince Major League Baseball to send its players to the Olympics. And because of that, the IOC most likely will vote to keep baseball (and softball) out of the 2020 Olympics. @USA Gold I believe the IBAF proposed a five day schedule, and they can always go to two four team groups with both sports. @Texas agreed and its sad they will not.
Sir Rols Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 Well, if I had my 'druthers, it'd be roller sports. Apart from the fact it's one of the few sports I do myself, it fits in with the IOC's whole drive to re-engage "yoof". And it really has been these new yoof sports - BMX, snowboard cross etc - that I've enjoyed the most over the past few Olympics. BTW - exactly what roller disciplines are being proposed? In-line? Skateboarding? The rest? I think softball/baseball have done their dash (I don't mind softball, but baseball - good riddance), why do we need wushu or karate when we already have two martial arts? Wake boarding sounds a bit out there. Squash, though, I reckon would be a good fit for the games as well.
baron-pierreIV Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 Squash in the Coliseum, or in front of the Effiel Tower or at the Brandenburg Gate or where-ever there is an iconic location is too much to pass up and after decades of throwing bones to Asia and Africa, a more traditional sport is logical. I don't know that squash is a telegenic game. I mean the court is small; I know it has be done with acrylic walls so that it can be televised; but so what? Also, the ball is fo f*cking fast that I don't know how the TV cameras would follow it.
OneTimeOnly Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 Bring on Dancesports!!! Never in 10,000,000,000 years.
dave199 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 Where's Ballroom Dancing? Out of these choices, I see Karate making it in.
Sir Rols Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 They may decide to add nothing at all. That strikes me as the most likely.
intoronto Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 That strikes me as the most likely. Which sport is likely to be dropped? Taekwondo or Modern Pentathlon. I think it should be the latter but Rogge is determined for it not to be, and Taekwondo has huge parity across the world any nation can win a medal (for ex. three Canadian athletes were ranked #1 in the qualification tournament for London and non qualified (the top three qualified)).
Sir Rols Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 ^^^ I doubt anything will be dropped, or added, at Durban. I think it's more just the preliminary skirmishes. There would have been a lot more debate about the summer roster in the months leading up (as has happened with the winter roster and the proposal for slope style etc) if they were expecting to make any changes at this session. We've only just been told the list for possible inclusions - and the respective IFs haven't been doing much lobbying or campaigning. I'd expect if there's going to be changes to the SOG sports roster, it's likely this session will just start off the debates, and it'll by the IOC session in Buenos Aires where the summer sports votes will be made.
Athan Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 Have the IOC said there might be a 29th sport? I thought they had made it very clear that it was impossible to have more than 28. Among the candidates, the ones I'd like to see at the Olympics the most are karate, roller sports and squash. But there's only one sport I'd drop: modern pentathlon.
gotosy Posted July 5, 2011 Author Report Posted July 5, 2011 Some additional info... IOC President Jacques Rogge told media here that a full report would be prepared by early 2013, at which time a further shortlist might be drawn up.At the 2013 Session, one sport would be recommended for inclusion in the 2020 programme. The process is further complicated because, after next year's London Olympics, one of the 26 sports performed there will be cut from the list of core Olympic sports. This eliminated sport will, however, be able to compete with the eight on the new shortlist for the one vacant 2020 slot. ... An additional four sports – dance, bowling, surf and netball - were considered by the IOC but failed to make it onto the shortlist. http://insidethegames.biz/latest/13485-ioc-to-consider-eight-sports-for-2020-olympics
Athan Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 OK, so next year after London 2012, the IOC will vote to decide only one sport that will go out of the Olympics after Rio 2016. That would leave 27 sure sports for the 2020 programme, and during the 2013 Session in Buenos Aires, the IOC may decide to add a 28th sport, which could be the one they had eliminated several months before... Have this ever worked this way? I thought that after every Olympics they voted to decide if there were any sports that could leave the Games, but this time it seems there will be one (and only one) sport eliminated for sure. And also, how will they decide which sport will be cut? Will each of the members vote for 1 of the 26 sports and the one with the most votes goes out?
baron-pierreIV Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 /\/\ It's all very stupid. It looks like they just need something to fill their time more than actually doing anything on the ground. It makes them look like a bunch of indecisive baboons. OK, what else can we decide and discuss today so at least it looks like we put in a full day's work??
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