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I don't see what the big deal is about Reno. I mean if the IOC can choose "charmless" places like Sochi & Sarejevo, what's a few tacky casinos. Besides, we all know how much the IOC likes to gamble at times. :P

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I think the difficult to Lake Tahoe is than California has already host 3 games

Whereas France has hosted how many WOGs? :blink:

And a small continent called Europa will have hosted 31 Games by 2014. ;)

Tulsa, if I were you, I would just shut up and concern myself with your Savoie part of the Alps. <_<

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I think Reno could be an just an "OK" bid, but I would hate to see supersede a US SOG, if 2020 goes to a European city, and RSA shows signs that it will not bid for an SOG in 2024, then I say forget 2022, and gamble on a bid for 2024 with an alpha US city. We could always battle it out for another WOG in 2026 or 2030 if we lose 2024.

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i currently live in colorado, i live an hour north of denver, we want the games here

I think Denver will be a formidable challenger if and when they decide to bid for the Winter Games. Yes, there's the negative history of the 1976 bid, but that was almost 40 years ago. A Denver bid would include exceptional alpine venues and a mid-major U.S. city with modern infrastructure and a history of hosting large events. Most of the IOC members today were not members in the 70s, and I'm sure Denver and the USOC would make the necessary guarantees before the bid even gets off the ground. The big question is whether the residents of Denver and Colorado are interested in hosting--I'm sure people in Vail and Beaver Creek would jump at the chance to host, but they need the support from Denver as well.

I'd prefer that the U.S. host a Summer Games before another Winter Games, but the Winter Games probably need a boost in the U.S. much more than the Summer Games right now.

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Whereas France has hosted how many WOGs? :blink:

And a small continent called Europa will have hosted 31 Games by 2014. ;)

Tulsa, if I were you, I would just shut up and concern myself with your Savoie part of the Alps. <_<

I would like mean USOC because Colorado has never host WoG contrary to California but if Reno is the american bid to 2022 won't be a problem, it's a strong bid and moreover an amazing bid and nobody will say "California yet"... But I think USOC will have some difficult to do a choice between Denver and Reno and Denver will can say California has already host 3 times WoG and SoG, but Reno could say never we have canceled a bid! I would like see Reno bid and Denver bid so :lol:

About Europa I understand your point of view but I think each country are different even the continent is smaller than USA. I think USA should host more games because it's one of the best host to SoG and WoG.

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I think Reno could be an just an "OK" bid, but I would hate to see supersede a US SOG, if 2020 goes to a European city, and RSA shows signs that it will not bid for an SOG in 2024, then I say forget 2022, and gamble on a bid for 2024 with an alpha US city. We could always battle it out for another WOG in 2026 or 2030 if we lose 2024.

I agree with you about Reno. But I'm nervous about your 2026 suggestion. Winning a 2026 bid would put off the next American Summer Games even further. If the U.S. is destined to host Winter Games before Summer Games I'd just assume get them out of the way as quickly as possible.

Besides, I think it's highly probable that 2020 and 2024 will be split between Africa and Europe. I'm not totally ruling out the possibility of Durban 2020 yet. We'll have to wait and see.

2028 has always seemed like the next best chance for the U.S. to me (I know -- 8's for Asia...). 2032 looks like an even stronger bet. I'm just not convinced that even 2032 would be a possibility if the U.S. hosts 2022. I think 2026 would definitely eliminate it as a possibility and then we'll have to wait through another full rotation.

Just to clear things up for you, Tulsa, although some venues would be in California, Reno is located in Nevada. It would not really be another California Games.

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Just to clear things up for you, Tulsa, although some venues would be in California, Reno is located in Nevada. It would not really be another California Games.

I thought California because Squaw Valley has been a WoG city and I imagine if Reno Lake Tahoe will bid Squaw Valley will be a venue ;)

Isn't it a problem in USA to have a multi states bid? (Nevada/California) I would like mean it could have some problem about money division? But if isn't a problem this be oculd be a killer !!! :lol:

Lake Tahoe is one of the best Region in the world to Host WoG... I hope Reno bid as soon as possible, Denver so :wacko:

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Tulsa, Reno is NE of the Lake; Squaw Valley is in SW corner.

Reno will try to have most of its venues on Nevada side of the lake; but may use arenas in Sacramento and maybe 1 or 2 venues in Squaw Valley.

Squaw Valley is in the North Lake Tahoe region, NW, not SW.

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Crossing state lines doesn't seem like the world's worst problem, but Sacramento is a long way from Reno. So much for a compact venue plan. It seems way too spread out to me.

I actually agree with Barcelona saying that Salt Lake City makes the most sense from a logistical point of view, but I can't imagine the IOC wanting to go back so soon.

This is where the Olympics start seeming really wasteful to me: "Yeah, we'd be interested in going back to the U.S. in 2022, but we don't want to go to the place that's best equipped because we were just there 20 years ago, so please build some new venues in a different city -- even if it's an uninspiring gambling town that has to rely heavily on sites in another state..."

I still can't get over the idea that NYC and Chicago were non-starters, but RENO might actually have a chance... Ugh.

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I actually agree with Barcelona saying that Salt Lake City makes the most sense from a logistical point of view, but I can't imagine the IOC wanting to go back so soon.

Given recent history, the IOC may not have many options. Only 3 cities bid for 2018. 7 cities started the process for 2014, but only 3 made the final cut, and Sochi was questionable at the time the IOC made the final cut. If Munich or Annecy wins 2018, I would be surprised if PyeongChang bids again. In that case, unless another strong bid from Asia comes forward, a U.S. city could have an easy win. If PyeongChang wins 2018, I think Munich will be seen as the clear front-runner for 2022, and that might keep other cities out of the race. At any rate, if Salt Lake were to put together a strong bid against a weak field in 2022 or 2026, I think the IOC would go back there again without much hesitation.

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Given recent history, the IOC may not have many options. Only 3 cities bid for 2018. 7 cities started the process for 2014, but only 3 made the final cut, and Sochi was questionable at the time the IOC made the final cut. If Munich or Annecy wins 2018, I would be surprised if PyeongChang bids again. In that case, unless another strong bid from Asia comes forward, a U.S. city could have an easy win. If PyeongChang wins 2018, I think Munich will be seen as the clear front-runner for 2022, and that might keep other cities out of the race. At any rate, if Salt Lake were to put together a strong bid against a weak field in 2022 or 2026, I think the IOC would go back there again without much hesitation.

Actually that does make sense...

Unfortunately the most sensible plans rarely materialize. We'll see.

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Given recent history, the IOC may not have many options. Only 3 cities bid for 2018. 7 cities started the process for 2014, but only 3 made the final cut, and Sochi was questionable at the time the IOC made the final cut. If Munich or Annecy wins 2018, I would be surprised if PyeongChang bids again. In that case, unless another strong bid from Asia comes forward, a U.S. city could have an easy win. If PyeongChang wins 2018, I think Munich will be seen as the clear front-runner for 2022, and that might keep other cities out of the race. At any rate, if Salt Lake were to put together a strong bid against a weak field in 2022 or 2026, I think the IOC would go back there again without much hesitation.

If Annecy or Munich win in 2018 USA could be the only place to host WoG in 2022, Quebec is too soon after Vancouver, Europe couldn't bid, and Pc won't comeback, Maybe Japan (If Tokyo don't win in 2020) and Harbin is too soon after Bejing...

Baron you should be the first supporter of European bid to 2018 :P

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If PC loses 2018 (which I don't think will happen) I do not think 2022 would be too soon for Harbin.

I also think it's quite possible we could end up with a broad swath of European Olympics -- mainly because of the limited options for Winter hosts.

I still say that just because the IOC may not have a world of options for 2022 is not necessarily a reason for the U.S. to bid. Even if the U.S. were the only bid and won by default, the international community would still factor it into our Olympic quota and further postpone the next American Summer Games.

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If PC loses 2018 (which I don't think will happen) I do not think 2022 would be too soon for Harbin.

I also think it's quite possible we could end up with a broad swath of European Olympics -- mainly because of the limited options for Winter hosts.

Agreed--Harbin will be a strong contender whenever they decide to bid. It's easily the biggest "new frontier" possible for the Winter Games. (Korea is a new frontier as well, but I almost wonder if the IOC is holding out for China. I guess we'll see in 2 weeks.)

I also agree that we're likely to have a lot of Winter Games in Europe over the next 50 years. The pattern for the last 40 years has essentially been Europe-US-Europe-Canada-Europe-Asia, with Europe hosting every other Games. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing Europe hosting more back-to-back Games in the future.

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Given recent history, the IOC may not have many options. Only 3 cities bid for 2018. 7 cities started the process for 2014, but only 3 made the final cut, and Sochi was questionable at the time the IOC made the final cut. If Munich or Annecy wins 2018, I would be surprised if PyeongChang bids again. In that case, unless another strong bid from Asia comes forward, a U.S. city could have an easy win. If PyeongChang wins 2018, I think Munich will be seen as the clear front-runner for 2022, and that might keep other cities out of the race. At any rate, if Salt Lake were to put together a strong bid against a weak field in 2022 or 2026, I think the IOC would go back there again without much hesitation.

They do a retread ONLY if there are no other bidders. The whole point of moving it around to NEW places is so that there is a legacy of new state-of-the-art facilities being built...THEREFORE, if all things followed the natural course, these would afford that new host/locale to churn out Olympic-level athletes in the future.

PLS DON'T GIVE ME the DUMB REPLY...but in a country like the U.S. there are already blah-blah-blah. I can see thru that sort of argument. If you want to bid to lose, then fine go with a previous host WHILE THERE ARE Other New locales to bid. If tiny Norway has put up Oslo and the tiny village of Lillehammer, then what's a big country's excuse? If you want to win, then a country as VAST as the U.S. should submit a NEW locale.

The closest repeat locale hosting is Innsbruck 1964 and 1976, and as you well know, that is only because a certain drug-induced city in the U.S. Rockies threw away its one date with history. And remember, Innsbruck was NOT even the automatic 2nd choice. It was Vanc-Whistler.

Barelona_92, I think you're totally wrong about Salt Lake being a good candidate. If that were so, then the Salt Lake City-ians would be the 1st ones jockeying for a repeat gig for 2022.

I also agree that we're likely to have a lot of Winter Games in Europe over the next 50 years. The pattern for the last 40 years has essentially been Europe-US-Europe-Canada-Europe-Asia, with Europe hosting every other Games. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing Europe hosting more back-to-back Games in the future.

There might be more of that, but the IOC,as its composition becomes more global will want to spread the Games around as they have been doing the last 2 or 3 decades.

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The US can use a good bobsled track and ski jump in several new places, what kind of kid learning or showing interest has the means to travel across the country to learn, it needs to be closer to the back yard. US should focus on winter games anyway, we're not winning any summer games for decades or longer..that is unless the IOC or another host falls apart and they need us. Till then lets go skiin'.

China has been risky in it's expansion, nothing says they are not in danger of their own special kind of contraction.

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The US can use a good bobsled track and ski jump in several new places, what kind of kid learning or showing interest has the means to travel across the country to learn, it needs to be closer to the back yard. US should focus on winter games anyway, we're not winning any summer games for decades or longer..that is unless the IOC or another host falls apart and they need us. Till then lets go skiin'.

And a few more new facilities also affords the USOC the largesse to have foreign athletes train there without crowding out the U.S. athletes. The IOC likes to see this sort of thing and it builds int'l goodwill for the U.S. both with other countries and within the IOC.

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Given recent history, the IOC may not have many options. Only 3 cities bid for 2018. 7 cities started the process for 2014, but only 3 made the final cut, and Sochi was questionable at the time the IOC made the final cut.

At any rate, if Salt Lake were to put together a strong bid against a weak field in 2022 or 2026, I think the IOC would go back there again without much hesitation.

The only reason there were only 3 cities for 2018 is because other previous applicants like Almaty, Borjomi & Sofia knew that timing was not going to be in their favor when another city, basically in their same region, was going to be hosting the previous set of Winter Games. It wasn't because they didn't want to, it was because they were being more cautious & frugal (unlike some dumb NOC's) & those particular cities knew that a 2018 bid would've more than likely been a complete waste of time & money. It's not like any of them would've made the short-list anyway, like the case with 2014.

And Salt Lake could maybe have a case IF no one else wanted to bid. But Reno WANTS to bid. So I don't see the IOC licking their chops to return to Salt Lake simply because their venues are still in place & ready to go. Los Angeles uses that argument all the time & it doesn't work for them. So the USOC probably wouldn't even bother anyway if Salt Lake City were their only option for the next Winter Olympics.

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Los Angeles uses that argument all the time & it doesn't work for them. So the USOC probably wouldn't even bother anyway if Salt Lake City were their only option for the next Winter Olympics.

The USOC vote between LA and Chicago was a heck of a lot closer than many realize - this was a vote that could very easily have ended up in LA's favor.

Of course, if it did, folks on here would be saying that the US lost BECAUSE they put LA forward: repeat hosts don't work and they would surely have won with Chicago.

The point is, in most cases, once the technical barrier has been reached, the host city is chosen because of the host country, not because of the city.

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The point is, in most cases, once the technical barrier has been reached, the host city is chosen because of the host country, not because of the city.

Tell that to Lille, Leipzig, Brisbane and Birmingham.

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The USOC vote between LA and Chicago was a heck of a lot closer than many realize - this was a vote that could very easily have ended up in LA's favor.

Yeah, but how many USOC votes were there? It was something like a mere dozen or so votes. Hardly anything to gauge something substantial by. And Peter Ueberroth was very bias towards L.A., so that's mainly the reason Y they could've wound up with the USOC nod instead.

But had San Francisco not withdrawn because their stadium deal with the 49'ners fell apart on the 11th hour, I believe San Francisco would've been the 2016 USOC candidate instead of Chicago, because the USOC strongly favored to have a West Coast candidate (another reason why L.A. was close, too).

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The closest repeat locale hosting is Innsbruck 1964 and 1976, and as you well know, that is only because a certain drug-induced city in the U.S. Rockies threw away its one date with history. And remember, Innsbruck was NOT even the automatic 2nd choice. It was Vanc-Whistler.

You're talking about the pre-corporate sponsorship days. Sorry, but the drugs were in the hands of the organizing committee. The taxpayers were the sane ones. Look at Montreal.

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