Tulsa Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Well, they have it together for football, rowing, etc. It's just all a matter of sporting culture. If I'm not mistaken, Spain had to put together a women's nat'l volleyball and rhythmic gymnastics teams for 1992. If it weren't for 1992, then Spain wouldn't be in the top 4 women's rhythmic gymnastics teams in the world today. Mon dieu, c'est une disastre environmentale!! It must be the MOST POLLUTED lake in Europe. Where does all the waste and mierde of 150,000 people go to? Yecccccchhhhhhhhh!! That's why PC is limiting its Opening Ceremony stadium to only 40,000 -- so there wouldn't be as MUCH human waste as that generated in the shores of Lake Annency. Mon dieu, Annency must smell awful then!! Don't come near my house, Tulsa!! Please shut up with your boring coments. Annecy has the purest lake in Europe and when I said all around the lake it's also on the mountains around the lake... You have lot of point of view on Annecy. Moreover Annecy know how to management supporters and fans, it isn't a problem for Annecy. Maybe to PC it's a problem. If you are objective Annecy purpose the nicest ceremonies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Please shut up with your boring coments. Annecy has the purest lake in Europe and when I said all around the lake it's also on the mountains around the lake... You have lot of point of view on Annecy. Moreover Annecy know how to management supporters and fans, it isn't a problem for Annecy. Maybe to PC it's a problem. If you are objective Annecy purpose the nicest ceremonies... Nice, but small Annecy should have withdrawn a long time ago (I honestly believe this was set up how it was to drum up sympathy votes for Paris' bid for 2024) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 No, but u have an int'l rink-sized hole in your head, nUture!! WOW! That's even bigger than an NHL-sized rink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Nagano in ASIA. 1997 Winter Universiade in Korea 1998 Nagano in Asia 1999 Winter Asian Games in Korea. Of course, there were no ski jumping, nordic combine, downhill, Freestyle, snowboarding. Anyway, This period in Korea was a big chance. However, because there was no interest. As mentioned several times, The jumping park was built in 1997 for Winter Universiade is abandoned. Now you can't use anymore. Winter Olympics held in this country that is an insult to the winter sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Annecy stadium is 42 000 people but it's a open stadium and people could see the show all around the lake. Each year Annecy organize a lake festival with a stadium like WoG, and there are more than 150 000 people all around the lake, it will be the most important ceremonie since the begening of WoG and SoG only 42 thousand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Nagano in ASIA. 1997 Winter Universiade in Korea 1998 Nagano in Asia 1999 Winter Asian Games in Korea. Of course, there were no ski jumping, nordic combine, downhill, Freestyle, snowboarding. Anyway, This period in Korea was a big chance. However, because there was no interest. As mentioned several times, The jumping park was built in 1997 for Winter Universiade is abandoned. Now you can't use anymore. Winter Olympics held in this country that is an insult to the winter sports. your point of ski jumping has no valid point. Canada has two that are not used (WHistler and THunder Bay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 your point of ski jumping has no valid point. Canada has two that are not used (WHistler and THunder Bay) Well, It tells us that not interested in skiing in Korea. Well, It tells us that not interested in skiing in Korea. For example, After 1997 Universiad. 1997 Ski Jumping registered players only 4. 2011 Ski Jumping registered players only 4. (Adult standards) Winter Universiade this year, did not participate in ski jumping. Because, there is no college players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Annecy stadium is 42 000 people but it's a open stadium and people could see the show all around the lake. Each year Annecy organize a lake festival with a stadium like WoG, and there are more than 150 000 people all around the lake, it will be the most important ceremonie since the begening of WoG and SoG I agree, it could be one of the biggest ceremony: 42.000 spectators in the stadium and 100.000 around the lake. Moreover, it is really in the heart of the historical city center. A big show every evening for the medals ceremony, and then restaurants and bistrots in the pedestrian zone and the nation square for cultural events... Same in Chamonix-Mt-Blanc: The ice rink, the slalom stadium and the medals ceremonies are really in the heart of Chamonix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 your point of ski jumping has no valid point. Canada has two that are not used (WHistler and THunder Bay) there are some unused in Colorado too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Nature: "Ski jump not used anymore from Winter Universiade 1997. Korea doesn't care about winter sports. No legacy." Me: "We have a better and newer ski jump at Alpensia now. And Korea destroys Germany at the Winter Universiades." Nature: "Germany and Europe doesn't care about the Winter Universiades." Me: "Then maybe you shouldn't expect Koreans to be inspired to take up ski jumping just from the Winter Universiades." Page 5 of this very same thread. And just 8 hours ago too. Lamest troll ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 there are some unused in Colorado too. Colorado have a lot of jumping park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 For example, After 1997 Universiad. 1997 Ski Jumping registered players only 4. 2011 Ski Jumping registered players only 4. (Adult standards) Winter Universiade this year, did not participate in ski jumping. Because, there is no college players. Then how come there were FIVE (5) South Koreans at the 2011 FIS Ski Jumping Continental Cup at ALPENSIA this past year? Looks like there IS a legacy from the 1997 Winter Universiades after all! 5 South Korean ski jumpers at 2011 Continental Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Colorado have a lot of jumping park. where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Then how come there were FIVE (5) South Koreans at the 2011 FIS Ski Jumping Continental Cup at ALPENSIA this past year? Looks like there IS a legacy from the 1997 Winter Universiades after all! I mean 1997 jumping park is abandoned. Now you can't use anymore. Alpensia for 2018 bid. And, There was no supporter at the Continental Cup, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Chicago had a ski jump at one time too which became unused, they probably would have won last year had they not abandoned their jump. Now I see the logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Chicago had a ski jump at one time too which became unused, they probably would have won last year had they not abandoned their jump. Now I see the logic. Should think in terms of winter sport development in Korea. Pyeongchang supporters defended one-sided. It is wrong. Because 2018 PC support for the development. Contradictions of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Colorado have a lot of jumping park. Where? I know Howelsen...where are ALL the others?? Especially near Denver, one of the most important ski destinations in the world, where are all the jumps? I guess it's obvious but you seem to make thing up all the time, it's frustrating to hear all the same thing and most exaggerated or even totally untrue. You make me feel less interested in this site, and even less interested in what I love about the Olympic. You are discouraging, it's very sad how you are and that you try to hurt peoples dreams. Sometimes I think you must be getting paid to rant on, who would ever spend the amount of time you do or have the time to just ALWAYS be typing day and night the same false, misleading issues, I hope you are being paid, other wise you are a true fanatic and disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Pyeongchang supporters seem viewing Pyeongchang. You joke around too much. Which is ok, since everyone likes to have some fun too. But see, here's the problem: Nobody likes you. And nobody laughs at your jokes. They actually think YOU are the joke. You should just stick with being serious and talking about the Olympics, and leaving the jokes to the rest of us who actually like each other. So if you want to talk about the Olympics, talk about the Olympics. Just realize that if you're trying to talk to the IOC members, there is nothing you can do at this point. These 3 cities have been bidding for 2 years now. Pyeongchang in particular has been bidding for 10 years. They know EVERYTHING about Pyeongchang, and there is nothing new you can tell them. They have the Pyeongchang bid book. They read the Evaluation Report. They went to Lausanne, heard the presentations and asked questions. They asked about the passion, the crowds, the mountains, the snow, everything. There is NOTHING new you can tell them. They have heard it all a million times. They will not read your post for the 50th time and suddently think, "Come to think of it, he's right! Why didn't I ever think of that??!" After 2 years of bidding and just 3 weeks to go, most of the IOC probably already know who they will vote for. Maybe they will change their minds, but YOU can't change it for them. Yuna Kim can change their minds. So can Katarina Witt. And Thomas Bach. And Yang-Ho Cho. And Nic Sarkozy. And everyone else that will be in Durban. YOU CAN'T. So if you want to stay here and talk Olympics, you are welcome (no, you're really not). But if your goal is to talk to the IOC members here, you are wasting your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Nobody likes you. Well, PC supporter don't like me. It's a natural. I told the truth. Sorry, I mean Colorado is USA. It does not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Well, PC supporter don't like me. It's a natural. I told the truth. Sorry, I mean Colorado is USA. It does not matter. You never tell us where are all the ski jumps you say are in Colorado? Do you also know where all the abandoned ones in Colorado are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 You never tell us where are all the ski jumps you say are in Colorado? Do you also know where all the abandoned ones in Colorado are? It is not the essence. USA have lots of Jumping park. I say again, Should think in terms of winter sport development in Korea. Pyeongchang supporters defended one-sided. It is wrong. Because 2018 PC support for the development. Contradictions of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 It is not the essence. USA have lots of Jumping park. I say again, Should think in terms of winter sport development in Korea. Pyeongchang supporters defended one-sided. It is wrong. Because 2018 PC support for the development. Contradictions of their own. You said.... "Colorado have a lot of jumping park." You said it like you say everything,,,,with total confidence to try to convince us that you know something. So........... Tell us where are "A LOT" of jumping parks are in Colorado?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 If Korea really wanted to develop winter sport, 1.5 billion dollars should have been used for young players and practice rink rather than luxury houses and golf course for Alpensia resort. The park was built in 1997 is abandoned. Now you can't use anymore. Winter Olympics held in this country that is an insult to the winter sports. For the Popular Winter Sports. When Pyeongchang was held in 2009 Biathlon and Snowboard WC, There was no admission fee for Korean. Nevertheless, the spectators almost did not come. Everyone agrees. According to unnamed sources, Some IOC members are concerned about it, Pyeongchang is not for atheltes. For the Downhill, Downhill venue is the primeval forest. There are many rare plants and trees are living. Under current law, development is illegal. This is not the Olympic spirit. For the Possibility of Pyeongchang, Korea have just 18 resorts, almost smaller size. Yongpyeong is the largest resort in Korea. But, less 20 times than Whistler. Moreover, Ski resorts can't make anymore in Korea. Because, The mountain is not enough. Muju resort in Korea as the second large-scale. Nevertheless, Mountain conditions are not good. FIS wrote, “(We) cannot support the construction of new race courses on the terrain of Muju’s South-Dokyu Mountain for technical and environment reasons”. There are no foreigners that coming to Korea for skiing in the winter. China and Japan or any Asian have no reason to come to Korea in the winter. Because, Japan and China's conditions are better than Korea. Rather, a lot of Koreans going to Japan for skiing and snowboard. For Alpensia resort, have debt 800 million dollars, have just 6 short slopes. So, Asia's winter hub is impossible. Also, It is not for public, have 100 more luxury houses and golf course for VIP.A few days ago, the audit results by the government auditors; Alpensia resort constructed without considering the feasibility, Excessive construction despite the expected loss from investment, $140,000 loss of interest everyday. I can imagine the situation enough after the Olympics. For the Financial problems, Gangwon province development corporation has liabilities 1.3 billion dollars including Alpensia 800 million due to Alpensia resort construction and the 2018 bid. An Additional government spending must stop for the 2018 Olympics. For the Future in Asia, Japan have 600 more resort. Hakuba and Zao is most famous resorts in Asia. Harbin Yabuli resort in China, the lagest ski resort in Asia. China along with Japan would be two markets in Asia after 10 years. China will lead the next generation of Asia's winter. China has an additional potential and capacity. Not Korea. Korea can't afford to additional development while the small markets. For the Olympic Movement, 1988 Seoul Olympic Stadium is not an Olympics legacy. 10 more million dollars deficit every year. It's demolition will be discussed. Because it's getting old, nobody's use. Last year, The Seoul government was reviewed the construction of shopping centers after demolition of the 1988 Olympics main stadium. You should not overlook it. For the Dream Program, In Korea, Snow is absent in some cities (Busan, Ulsan, etc). And, there are many deprived youth. Moreover, Korea's winter sport base is very poor. Nevertheless, Korea youth does not participate in Dream Program. Who is the first between Korea youth and foreign youth? This is just a show for Olympics bid. Not pure. It is a case of putting the cart before the horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 You said.... "Colorado have a lot of jumping park." You said it like you say everything you are saying above this post,,,,with total confidence to try to convince us that you know something. So........... Tell us where are "A LOT" of jumping parks are in Colorado?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 You said.... "Colorado have a lot of jumping park." You said it like you say everything,,,,with total confidence to try to convince us that you know something. So........... Tell us where are "A LOT" of jumping parks are in Colorado?????? A lot of jumping Park in Utah and New York. Because the Olympics. I would think that Colorado is not just Colorado, Colorado in USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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