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Local businesses set to send delegation to Singapore

Paul Kelso

Thursday June 23, 2005

London 2012's final push to win the International Olympic Committee vote in Singapore next month may be embarrassingly overshadowed by protests from local businesses opposed to the games being staged in the capital.

The companies, based on the site of the proposed London Olympic stadium, are considering sending a delegation to Singapore to lobby the IOC membership as they gather for the crucial vote on the venue for the games.

Such a move would cause great discomfort to the 100-strong London delegation travelling to Singapore. Security arrangements at Raffles Hotel, the venue for the vote, mean the protest delegation would be unlikely to get access to IOC members without an appointment, but protestors at the gates might harm London's chances of overhauling the favourites Paris when the vote takes place on July 6.

The businesses, based on Marshgate Lane, are in dispute with London 2012 and the London Development Agency (LDA) over compensation for moving away from their current premises. Negotiations between the two sides have been increasingly bad tempered, with some of the the businesses claiming they are being offered compensation below market rates or inappropriate land swaps.

The IOC evaluation commission mentioned the dispute in its report on London, concluding that the issue would be settled and did not pose a threat to London's ability to stage the games.

Mark Stephens, the lawyer representing some of the businesses, said a final decision on whether to travel to Singapore would be made in the next week. "The businesses will travel if they believe that it will be an effective way of lobbying the IOC... All we are asking for is that the businesses receive economically neutral offers - that is a guarantee that they will not lose money - or appropriate alternative land within the area.

"If Seb Coe, Tessa Jowell or Tony Winterbottom [head of the LDA] could guarantee that today then every one of my clients and the 308 businesses in the area would settle."

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This just goes to show what greed makes certain people do. I hope they do go to the Singapore meeting, and their images are broadcast back to the U.K., so they can be clearly identified as the potential 'wreckers' of the Olympic Bid.

But I am sure Seb Coe, will fear not. He has come too far, to allow some greedy businessmen & women, from spoiling this bid.

Also, aren't there some Parisiens who are unhappy with some of the plans set out by Paris 2012? Centered around the Roland Garros complex? I wonder if they will present themselves to the IOC too. Oh Dear?

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The bussinneses have been offered the maximum compensation allowed under UK law. From what I've heard of this case it seems they are tying to screw the city for as much money as they can get. You're right Zoltan, this won't be good for London, but London has done everything possible to prevent this situation and it is because of pure greed that it continues.
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This just goes to show what greed makes certain people do. I hope they do go to the Singapore meeting, and their images are broadcast back to the U.K., so they can be clearly identified as the potential 'wreckers' of the Olympic Bid.

But I am sure Seb Coe, will fear not. He has come too far, to allow some greedy businessmen & women, from spoiling this bid.

Also, aren't there some Parisiens who are unhappy with some of the plans set out by Paris 2012? Centered around the Roland Garros complex? I wonder if they will present themselves to the IOC too. Oh Dear?

Why you are always talking about Paris???

For Paris they will not protest because they supports ardently Paris and they know these Games would have big effects on the environment in Paris.

read that :laughlong: http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/sport/20050...P4076.html?2146

This is not the case for London,they are very organised

:D

Oh dear

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This just goes to show what greed makes certain people do. I hope they do go to the Singapore meeting, and their images are broadcast back to the U.K., so they can be clearly identified as the potential 'wreckers' of the Olympic Bid.

But I am sure Seb Coe, will fear not. He has come too far, to allow some greedy businessmen & women, from spoiling this bid.

Also, aren't there some Parisiens who are unhappy with some of the plans set out by Paris 2012? Centered around the Roland Garros complex? I wonder if they will present themselves to the IOC too. Oh Dear?

oh dear,

I m very unhappy with trade unions and environmental groups who protested.

but as you can read here, they have just decided to back the french bid.

sorry....

French Unions Back Paris 2012 Olympics

ABC News

PARIS Jun 22, 2005 — Five French trade unions delivered a declaration to Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe on Wednesday supporting Paris' bid for the 2012 Summer Olympics.

Paris 2012 bid leader Philippe Baudillon believes the backing from the trade unions strengthened the capital's campaign to host the games.

"A candidature can only work if everyone is informed and up to date ... whether it is the ecologists or the unions," Baudillon told The Associated Press. "It is an open discussion and never closed."

The five unions including the powerful CGT and CFDT said they would do "everything within our power to ensure that the Olympic and Paralympic Games in Paris are popular, cohesive, ecological and ethical."

The situation looked more complicated in March when the International Olympic Committee's evaluation commission visited Paris.

Strikes and street protests against government policies crippled public transport raising fears a repeat could happen if Paris hosted the 2012 Games. Unions were protesting government-backed plans to roll back France's 35-hour work week.

While Paris commuters crammed aboard the few trains left running, the IOC inspectors were taken around by bus and escorted by police motorcycles and cars.

Also during the visit, angry environmentalists protested against plans to build a 15,000-seat arena for judo and badminton in the lush Bois de Boulogne park on Paris' western edge.

Although still opposed to cutting down woodland, a key environmental group said it would back the bid providing certain conditions are met.

"Yes to the JO (Olympic Games), but in terms of respecting the environment," group president Marc Ambroise-Rendu said in a June newsletter.

"If the Olympics take place in France, (environmental groups) will mobilize their best experts so that the environmental promises of the dossier are kept," he added.

Baudillon welcomed their initiative.

"We are not always in agreement 100 percent. But there is a consensus. The Olympics will be an incredible means to put into place so many (environmental) decisions," he said.

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This just goes to show what greed makes certain people do. I hope they do go to the Singapore meeting, and their images are broadcast back to the U.K., so they can be clearly identified as the potential 'wreckers' of the Olympic Bid.

But I am sure Seb Coe, will fear not. He has come too far, to allow some greedy businessmen & women, from spoiling this bid.

Also, aren't there some Parisiens who are unhappy with some of the plans set out by Paris 2012? Centered around the Roland Garros complex? I wonder if they will present themselves to the IOC too. Oh Dear?

Why you are always talking about Paris???

For Paris they will not protest because they supports ardently Paris and they know these Games would have big effects on the environment in Paris.

read that :laughlong: http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/sport/20050...P4076.html?2146

This is not the case for London,they are very organised

:D

Oh dear

The same reason YOU are always talking about London. Your article showed me Nothing, I didn't already know. The trade unions have always supporter the bid, as have the environmental groups in France.

This is the same in the Britain, as you know.

The IOC will see straight through these protestors, and also realise the government and the LDA has the law on their side.

79% of Londoners back this bid, and that will be good enough for the IOC.

Now, stop hating, go reflect on weakneses in your own bid, and maybe then you will appreciate other cities have flaws too.

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This just goes to show what greed makes certain people do. I hope they do go to the Singapore meeting, and their images are broadcast back to the U.K., so they can be clearly identified as the potential 'wreckers' of the Olympic Bid.

But I am sure Seb Coe, will fear not. He has come too far, to allow some greedy businessmen & women, from spoiling this bid.

Also, aren't there some Parisiens who are unhappy with some of the plans set out by Paris 2012? Centered around the Roland Garros complex? I wonder if they will present themselves to the IOC too. Oh Dear?

Why you are always talking about Paris???

For Paris they will not protest because they supports ardently Paris and they know these Games would have big effects on the environment in Paris.

read that :laughlong: http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/sport/20050...P4076.html?2146

This is not the case for London,they are very organised

:D

Oh dear

The same reason YOU are always talking about London. Your article showed me Nothing, I didn't already know. The trade unions have always supporter the bid, as have the environmental groups in France.

This is the same in the Britain, as you know.

The IOC will see straight through these protestors, and also realise the government and the LDA has the law on their side.

79% of Londoners back this bid, and that will be good enough for the IOC.

Now, stop hating, go reflect on weakneses in your own bid, and maybe then you will appreciate other cities have flaws too.

You'd like to think the IOC would see through the protesters wouldn't you? I hope they do, but I'm not so sure. I don't think this will effect our supporters but it may affect second preference votes. Again, I hope not but I fear so.

HOWEVER....

I'll start worrying when I see the protests for myself. There was a similar thread posted just before the EC visit and nothing much happened. A few people got on a boat and waved banners but it wasn't the mass protest that it was built up to be. All the protesters had to do to disrupt the visit was to step out of their door. If that turned into a damp squib I'm not convinced they'll be able to pull anything off on the other side of the world!!

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The measly protest against London 2012.

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The again, some tend to have more flaws than others. Granted.

What I like with you Michelle, is that the debate is always so low...

I m not a fanatic fan of Paris, I just want to debate.

but of course you are the only one who can post negative articles about London

Each time the only thing that you repply are " you are stupid" or " you must focus on your own bid"

great answers

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The again, some tend to have more flaws than others. Granted.

What I like with you Michelle, is that the debate is always so low...

I m not a fanatic fan of Paris, I just want to debate.

but of course you are the only one who can post negative articles about London

Each time the only thing that you repply are " you are stupid" or " you must focus on your own bid"

great answers

I was referring to New York, when I made that statement. But my debate is always so low? Well maybe if I had some decent posters to debate with, the level would be higher. I take it to a level that you and your associates can understand.

You have never uttered one bad word about Paris. If you have, it had eluded me. I have, in the past, always posted the positive and the negative, regarding Londons 2012 bid. I am probably one of the most level-headed Londons supporters.

But what I refuse to accept, is that Paris is glowing, while you and your friends portray London in bad light. It would not be so bad, if there was the occasional pause, buts its a full attack.

Dont give me "i am not a fanatic Paris supporter" you have demonstrated in the past, you are behind Paris 100%, and always talk it up, which is fair enough.

But you are hardly objective. Don't start this nonsense.

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I say the debate is low with you because you always seem very aggressive with other supporters in your answers

well, im not going to begin a other LondonVS Paris debate, but I just have the impression that londonners have a problem with Paris: Look at the topic "what is your second choice"

you will notice that Paris is often the fifth choice of Londoners ,. whearas a lot of Paris supporter put London in number 2 ( thats my case)

I remember a post of Malaka saying that 'it would bo too painful if paris win"....

I ve nothing against London, i just prefer Paris.

and i dont think Paris bid is perfect, but there is not a lot to debate about technical points

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It is evident that you and your bandwagon are scared of London. You know it can win, and it has a good chance, and so are going on the defensive. I don't see these rants about NYC or Madrid, I wonder why? oh dear?

but i ve no problem to say that London bid is dangerous for Paris and that they can still win

and I dont spend my time on London section, I give my opinion on the other bids to

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This just goes to show what greed makes certain people do. I hope they do go to the Singapore meeting, and their images are broadcast back to the U.K., so they can be clearly identified as the potential 'wreckers' of the Olympic Bid.

But I am sure Seb Coe, will fear not. He has come too far, to allow some greedy businessmen & women, from spoiling this bid.

Also, aren't there some Parisiens who are unhappy with some of the plans set out by Paris 2012? Centered around the Roland Garros complex? I wonder if they will present themselves to the IOC too. Oh Dear?

Why you are always talking about Paris???

For Paris they will not protest because they supports ardently Paris and they know these Games would have big effects on the environment in Paris.

read that :laughlong: http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/sport/20050...P4076.html?2146

This is not the case for London,they are very organised

:D

Oh dear

The same reason YOU are always talking about London. Your article showed me Nothing, I didn't already know. The trade unions have always supporter the bid, as have the environmental groups in France.

This is the same in the Britain, as you know.

The IOC will see straight through these protestors, and also realise the government and the LDA has the law on their side.

79% of Londoners back this bid, and that will be good enough for the IOC.

Now, stop hating, go reflect on weakneses in your own bid, and maybe then you will appreciate other cities have flaws too.

To begin I would say I hope London bids opposant will not interfere in the Ioc results.I am sincerely not delighted,I always said "que le meilleur gagne" "that the best win".

I don't NEVER post a thread against London,I never criticised London bid like you are doing for Paris.I never posted a thread against London...i sometimes countered some arguments used by some London supporters to show the stupidity used by people.

You put on the same level,protestation against Paris bids and London bids.In our case people support Paris but are not agree on the whole projects.For London, people are entirely against.You are not coherent

And Michelle some people cannot appreciate your opprobrious ton...above all you are not enlightened

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I say the debate is low with you because you always seem very aggressive with other supporters in your answers

well, im not going to begin a other LondonVS Paris debate, but I just have the impression that londonners have a problem with Paris: Look at the topic "what is your second choice"

you will notice that Paris is often the fifth choice of Londoners ,. whearas a lot of Paris supporter put London in number 2 ( thats my case)

I remember a post of Malaka saying that 'it would bo too painful if paris win"....

I ve nothing against London, i just prefer Paris.

and i dont think Paris bid is perfect, but there is not a lot to debate about technical points

What you need to realise is there is a rivalry between Paris and London, there always has been, and it will remain.

It hasn't been a very friendly affair on this board, between the 2 sets of supporters, but it's because eachside is not willing to see eachothers good points, and its flaws.

Paris isn't perfect, and either is London... both have problems, but they can overcome them. I think we'd agree both London and Paris could stage a wonderful games. That is not in question.

What is in question, is the conduct of some of the Paris supporters. They exude arrogance, thinking Paris is unstopable, almost thinking the IOC owe them the games.

And if something positive ever happens regarding the London bid, a Paris supporter comes in and plays it down. Then they go into a hysterical fit when you question their judgement. It couldnt be bias? "OH NO.... absolutely not, we french are not arrogant or bias, we are just the best".

I think people on this forum are tired of hearing the same rants and hissyfits from the French entourage on this board.

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This just goes to show what greed makes certain people do. I hope they do go to the Singapore meeting, and their images are broadcast back to the U.K., so they can be clearly identified as the potential 'wreckers' of the Olympic Bid.

But I am sure Seb Coe, will fear not. He has come too far, to allow some greedy businessmen & women, from spoiling this bid.

Also, aren't there some Parisiens who are unhappy with some of the plans set out by Paris 2012? Centered around the Roland Garros complex? I wonder if they will present themselves to the IOC too. Oh Dear?

Why you are always talking about Paris???

For Paris they will not protest because they supports ardently Paris and they know these Games would have big effects on the environment in Paris.

read that :laughlong: http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/sport/20050...P4076.html?2146

This is not the case for London,they are very organised

:D

Oh dear

The same reason YOU are always talking about London. Your article showed me Nothing, I didn't already know. The trade unions have always supporter the bid, as have the environmental groups in France.

This is the same in the Britain, as you know.

The IOC will see straight through these protestors, and also realise the government and the LDA has the law on their side.

79% of Londoners back this bid, and that will be good enough for the IOC.

Now, stop hating, go reflect on weakneses in your own bid, and maybe then you will appreciate other cities have flaws too.

To begin I would say I hope London bids opposant will not interfere in the Ioc results.I am sincerely not delighted,I always said "que le meilleur gagne" "that the best win".

I don't NEVER post a thread against London,I never criticised London bid like you are doing for Paris.I never posted a thread against London...i sometimes countered some arguments used by some London supporters to show the stupidity used by people.

You put on the same level,protestation against Paris bids and London bids.In our case people support Paris but are not agree on the whole projects.For London, people are entirely against.You are not coherent

And Michelle some people cannot appreciate your opprobrious ton...above all you are not enlightened

For London, people are entirely against

308 businesses constitutes the "people"?

I have seen many of your posts, and you are extremely hostile and obnoxious.

No thanks, at wanting to continue this "debate" with you.

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You can't accuse ALL (tout) Londoners of being fanatical and critical of paris in the same way that I cannot say that about TOUT (all) Paris supporters.

Michelle is right when she says that some Paris supporters and some London  supoprters choose only to see the negative commenst from their rivals and fail to acknolwedge the more objective posts. Its is true from reading these posts that people are primarily interested in critical/bad news and are blind to views which do not fit their stereotype of either brits of frenchies.

There is only one thing worse than fanitical supporter...and that is a person with a persecution complex. Lets hope everyone on these boards wakes up to themselves and tries a bit of humility/objectivity in the run up to the vote.

:)

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And if something positive ever happens regarding the London bid, a Paris supporter comes in and plays it down. Then they go into a hysterical fit when you question their judgement. It couldnt be bias? "OH NO.... absolutely not, we french are not arrogant or bias, we are just the best".

well, look at the post on paris section about La Rochelle posted by Mecky

he posted positive points about the bid without arrogance.

and then then, look at the anwers from London and NWC supporters... stupid..

you talk about the arrogance of french supporters. well i dont think that they are all arrogant ( when they are, its often humour like with Mecky...) But what do you think of saying that London is the greatest city in the world, the place to be, the city that every like? isnt it arrogance?

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You can't accuse ALL (tout) Londoners of being fanatical and critical of paris in the same way that I cannot say that about TOUT (all) Paris supporters.

Michelle is right when she says that some Paris supporters and some London  supoprters choose only to see the negative commenst from their rivals and fail to acknolwedge the more objective posts. Its is true from reading these posts that people are primarily interested in critical/bad news and are blind to views which do not fit their stereotype of either brits of frenchies.

There is only one thing worse than fanitical supporter...and that is a person with a persecution complex. Lets hope everyone on these boards wakes up to themselves and tries a bit of humility/objectivity in the run up to the vote.

:)

Lets hope everyone on these boards wakes up to themselves and tries a bit of humility/objectivity in the run up to the vote.

I sincerely doubt it. But of course, we can hope.

Unfortunately I will be in Croatia next week, and won't be here for the vote. Don't miss me too much Rip.  :P

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You can't accuse ALL (tout) Londoners of being fanatical and critical of paris in the same way that I cannot say that about TOUT (all) Paris supporters.

Michelle is right when she says that some Paris supporters and some London  supoprters choose only to see the negative commenst from their rivals and fail to acknolwedge the more objective posts. Its is true from reading these posts that people are primarily interested in critical/bad news and are blind to views which do not fit their stereotype of either brits of frenchies.

There is only one thing worse than fanitical supporter...and that is a person with a persecution complex. Lets hope everyone on these boards wakes up to themselves and tries a bit of humility/objectivity in the run up to the vote.

:)

Ripley, you ve always been the pride of UK and London Bid :;):

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And if something positive ever happens regarding the London bid, a Paris supporter comes in and plays it down. Then they go into a hysterical fit when you question their judgement. It couldnt be bias? "OH NO.... absolutely not, we french are not arrogant or bias, we are just the best".

well, look at the post on paris section about La Rochelle posted by Mecky

he posted positive points about the bid without arrogance.

and then then, look at the anwers from London and NWC supporters... stupid..

you talk about the arrogance of french supporters. well i dont think that they are all arrogant ( when they are, its often humour like with Mecky...) But what do you think of saying that London is the greatest city in the world, the place to be, the city that every like? isnt it arrogance?

Of course it is arrogant, and i do not agree with many of the "London supporters" on this board.

But, from what I have seen, and I say this as objectively as I can, there are more negative comments coming from Paris' fans, than London's... and I think this is because of the increasing pressure London is putting on Paris, to secure the 2012 games.

Regarding Mekky, I do not agree. He is a hateful character, and I do not find his jokes amusing. I think he is the joke. But, that is a different story for a different day.

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And if something positive ever happens regarding the London bid, a Paris supporter comes in and plays it down. Then they go into a hysterical fit when you question their judgement. It couldnt be bias? "OH NO.... absolutely not, we french are not arrogant or bias, we are just the best".

well, look at the post on paris section about La Rochelle posted by Mecky

he posted positive points about the bid without arrogance.

and then then, look at the anwers from London and NWC supporters... stupid..

you talk about the arrogance of french supporters. well i dont think that they are all arrogant ( when they are, its often humour like with Mecky...) But what do you think of saying that London is the greatest city in the world, the place to be, the city that every like? isnt it arrogance?

Of course it is arrogant, and i do not agree with many of the "London supporters" on this board.

But, from what I have seen, and I say this as objectively as I can, there are more negative comments coming from Paris' fans, than London's... and I think this is because of the increasing pressure London is putting on Paris, to secure the 2012 games.

Regarding Mekky, I do not agree. He is a hateful character, and I do not find his jokes amusing. I think he is the joke. But, that is a different story for a different day.

Count the thread against Paris and the thread against London. and you will see your speech does'nt correspond to the reality.5 Threads against Paris,one or two against London

It is an english board and Paris supporters are cornered  by the attacks they are less in number but it is normal they are more virulent.

You try to destabilise the Paris bids with your incessant attacks,London is serious concurrent like the others city...

You try to low the level of Paris in criticising the evaluation report.

Not fair play from english supporters,Evalution report were delivered and you are again criticising that

stop your schizophrenia you are not members of the Commission and you don"t knon better than us what they saw...you turn to the paranoia and it is pathetic

Michelle you will not probably be a member of the commission and you are not an inspector to accuse that the evaluation reports are biaised.

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