Winter 2022

[cjs2]

Anyone have any sense for how another Zakopane bid would do?

[Pillan]

LOL Pillan CHILL. Where did I ever say # of medals are a criteria for winning the hosting rights?

That's right I didn't. Learn to read.

YOU are the one that said why should North America host 8 years apart and Europeans can't when there are "Stronger nations" without ever hosting once.

Allow me to say, LOL...just LOOOOOOOL.

Spin it whatever way you want and things may change in Sochi. However as of Vancouver 2010, Canada won the most Gold and USA won the most medals over all. Europeans aren't "stronger" than North Americans. Why don't you just lie to yourself and say China isn't a Summer Sport power too because ZOMG they don't win ANY medals until the 80's!!!!!!

Why should Canada host it again, when a winter nation as Sweden with Scandinavia's largest winter resort is still waiting? When I said bigger nations I don't mean they are better than the other winter nations. I just mean they are big nations in wintersports but still haven't hosted it. They should get the chance before NA get it again. NA aren't stronger than Europe at all.

Also you are so proud for Canada winning most gold medals at home?? 14 gold medals. Norway won 13 gold medals in Salt lake city 2002. They won only one less gold in a country far far away from their home. Canada needed a olympic at home to do that. Sorry but I'm not impressed at all by Canada. Canada only get the most golds because it was at their home. In other continents Canada don't dominate at all. Canada can't even win men's hockey without NA ice. That's why you want NA olympics. it's the only way for Canada to shine. LOOOOL!

Let me ask you, where do you think Norway wants WOG 2022?? NA, or Sweden? If Norway get 13 gold medals in a country far far away from home what can they do in the neighbour country Sweden?? What can Sweden do? Canada had 7 golds in Torino, in Vancouver they had 14. Pretty huge raise because the home favour. This shouldn't happened if it wasn't held in Canada.

[cjs2]

Canada didn't just have home games advantage. There were also significant resources poured into training and preparation. Didn't you hear about the "own the podium" program? It didn't just have to do with loud fan support...

[Pillan]

Canada didn't just have home games advantage. There were also significant resources poured into training and preparation. Didn't you hear about the "own the podium" program? It didn't just have to do with loud fan support...

Actually this is my point... The same can be said for China and Beijing 2008. With a Olympic games the host often work harder with preparation and training. With a host there much more money from the parlament, sponsors ect. The host nation can get much better preaparations and training. What could Sweden do with a Olympic games in Åre/Östersund? I would be very surprised if that isn't Sweden's best Olympic games ever. That's why I other big winter nations should get the chance before NA AGAIN!

So no, Canada shouldn't do that great if it wasn't in Canada.

[Soaring]

I support 2022 going back to Europe. Even if 2020 goes to a European city.

[baron-pierreIV]

I support 2022 going back to Europe. Even if 2020 goes to a European city.

As you know -- I TOTALLY disagree. TRAITOR!!

[Soaring]

As you know -- I TOTALLY disagree. TRAITOR!!

Well... I would maybe reconsider if Denver or Anchorage were to bid for 2022.

[Pillan]

As you know -- I TOTALLY disagree. TRAITOR!!

Why should NA host it again when they hosted it 2002 and 2010. Countries as Sweden still waiting to host our first WOG. We also haven't host any olympics since 1912. I will be bad if Sweden lost an another bid against USA/Canada.

Why should NA host it again when they hosted it 2002 and 2010. Countries as Sweden still waiting to host our first WOG. We also haven't host any olympics since 1912. I will be bad if Sweden lost an another bid against USA/Canada.

I mean I will be MAD if USA/Canada wins another WOG bid ahead of Sweden.

Why can't I edit my posts?

[FYI]

Because you have to be a premium member in order to do that, Pillan.

But anyway, Denver ain't gettin' sh!t, & Anchorage lacks in some major infrastructure & will to begin with.

[Kenadian]

For Sweden, there is really only one option - Winter Games in Ostersund. But with the 1994 Games in Lillehammer, that kinda took out any hope for Sweden for at least two to three decades. Ostersund has some fans in the IOC. They led the second balloting for the 1994 Games and then lost in the third by less than 10 votes. But seeing how close they are to Norway, they were foolish to bid for the 1998 and 2002 Games, especially seeing when the IOC had options in far flung Japan and Utah.

But we are now getting to the point in time where they can (and should) reconsider their strategy and bid for Games in the 2020s. The awarding of Games to Sochi and PyeongChang also shows that the IOC is willing to take the Games back to smaller communities after a decade of million population cities. And since the Games would have been to Asia and North America twice since last in Scandinavia, I can see Ostersund getting huge support for either 2022 or 2026. Their biggest geopolitical threat is somewhere in Western Europe.

[FYI]

Yeah, but Ostersund is still a fraction of the size of Sochi. And lets not forget that PyeongChang is going to be hosting this with much larger Gangneung. So Ostersund still remains a big question mark if the Winter Games have now simply just outgrown very, very small communities like Ostersund, Lillehammer & the like.

[Pillan]

Yeah, but Ostersund is still a fraction of the size of Sochi. And lets not forget that PyeongChang is going to be hosting this with much larger Gangneung. So Ostersund still remains a big question mark if the Winter Games have now simply just outgrown very, very small communities like Ostersund, Lillehammer & the like.

Sweden has a very strong infrastructure(spelling?) and it getting better and better. Why can't a smaller city host it?

[Pillan]

Åre is Scandinavia's biggest winter resort. Åre and Östersund often host big winter events unlike Sochi. Isn't Sochi a summer resort? IMO, Åre/Östersund is much better suited to host WOG than Sochi. Only because a city is bigger that don't mean it's a better host than the smaller city.

I remember Rougge said it was totally sad that Åre/Östersund draw out from the 2014 bidding because he thought Sweden had won, and yes ahead of Sochi. Sweden blow out our big chance.

[FYI]

Only because a city is bigger that don't mean it's a better host than the smaller city.

I remember Rougge said it was totally sad that Åre/Östersund draw out from the 2014 bidding because he thought Sweden had won, and yes ahead of Sochi. Sweden blow out our big chance.

No, but it helps. Usually because bigger cities have the mass infrastructure already in place, or are going to expand on their current grids, to accommodate the mass traffic that an Olympics brings.

And the main reason Sochi won was because Putin & the Russian government pleged many billions of dollars to turn "summer resort" Sochi into a Winter "wonderland" for winter sports. Is Sweden prepared & willing to invest in the same type of committment?

If the answer is no, then the only way I could see a Swedish victory at somepoint is if the IOC is then willing to at least scale down the Winter Games somewhat, to get them back into the more "traditional" sense. I thought Salzburg's bid for the 2014 Games offered this kind of traditonal Games, but the IOC turned the other cheek & elected on the 'frills & thrills' of Russian grandiose.

And I would take anything that Rogge has to say with a grain of salt. His words are usually & mainly diplomatic rhetoric anyway. He would try & encorage Doha or Dubai to host a Winter Games if it meant more Winter candidates for a particular bidding race.

[Pillan]

No, but it helps. Usually because bigger cities have the mass infrastructure already in place, or are going to expand on their current grids, to accommodate the mass traffic that an Olympics brings.

And the main reason Sochi won was because Putin & the Russian government pleged many billions of dollars to turn "summer resort" Sochi into a Winter "wonderland" for winter sports. Is Sweden prepared & willing to invest in the same type of committment?

If the answer is no, then the only way I could see a Swedish victory at somepoint is if the IOC is then willing to at least scale down the Winter Games somewhat, to get them back into the more "traditional" sense. I thought Salzburg's bid for the 2014 Games offered this kind of traditonal Games, but the IOC turned the other cheek & elected on the 'frills & thrills' of Russian grandiose.

And I would take anything that Rogge has to say with a grain of salt. His words are usually & mainly diplomatic rhetoric anyway. He would try & encorage Doha or Dubai to host a Winter Games if it meant more Winter candidates for a particular bidding race.

Do Sweden need to pay all those money's to host WOG??? NO, because Åres/Östersund is already a big winter resort. Sweden don't need to build everything from beginning. Putin was need to promise all those money because Sochi is a SUMMER resort. Åre is winter resort and that should be a favour unlike Sochi. No Sweden will not pay all those money because we don't need it.

Also if Sweden bids then it will be with the Swedish goverment's help and support. The SOC will not bid if our Prime minister Reinfeldt don't support it. That's why Sweden draw out from 2014. The goverment didn't accept the search. Be sure when Sweden bids it will be with 100% support from the gouverment.

What do you mean? From now it's only the superpowers as Russia, USA and China who can host the games?? How funny is that?? Do IOC want to see the games in the same countries every year?? Pathetic argument.

Why should Rougge say that if he wants to be dipomatic?? Escpecially when he said it AFTER Sochi's winning? How diplomatic is that? Even if he said it during the meeting it's not very nice and diplomatic against the bidding countries. Sweden was drawn out for along time before the WOG 2014 was decided.

It sound as you want to make lame excuses to put a Swedish bid down. Looool!

[FYI]

Do Sweden need to pay all those money's to host WOG??? NO, because Åres/Östersund is already a big winter resort. Sweden don't need to build everything from beginning. Putin was need to promise all those money because Sochi is a SUMMER resort. Åre is winter resort and that should be a favour unlike Sochi. No Sweden will not pay all those money because we don't need it.

It sound as you want to make lame excuses to put a Swedish bid down. Looool!

I'm not trying to put a Swedish bid "down". Only gaugeing the situation.

And why did I know that you were going to come back with this. I'd figure as much, since it wasn't very clear.

Of course Sweden has the Winter "resorts" already there. But that's NOT what I meant. What I meant was the money in upgrading & overhauling "transportion" networks & "accommodations" in the immediate area.

I mean what does little 'ole Ostersund gonna need all that upgrading in those areas for once the Games are over. Even in Vancouver (which is so much larger than Ostersund) a lot of people were still all up in arms over the expansion of the 'sea-to-sky highway" system.

And if you wanna listen & be gullable to everything that Rogge has to say, then go right ahead. That's your perogative. I choose not to, though.

And would you fricken calm down. It's not like you have to get your panties all in a bind whenever someone is just giving their insight on these boards. You practically just get into it with almost everyone here because you seem to think that it's putting Sweden "down". You're almost as bad as our little boy Tulsa here.

[Pillan]

I'm not trying to put a Swedish bid "down". Only gaugeing the situation.

And why did I know that you were going to come back with this. I'd figure as much, since it wasn't very clear.

Of course Sweden has the Winter "resorts" already there. But that's NOT what I meant. What I meant was the money in upgrading & overhauling "transportion" networks & "accommodations" in the immediate area.

I mean what does little 'ole Ostersund gonna need all that upgrading in those areas for once the Games are over. Even in Vancouver (which is so much larger than Ostersund) a lot of people were still all up in arms over the expansion of the 'sea-to-sky highway" system.

And if you wanna listen & be gullable to everything that Rogge has to say, then go right ahead. That's your perogative. I choose not to, though.

And would you fricken calm down. It's not like you have to get your panties all in a bind whenever someone is just giving their insight on these boards. You practically just get into it with almost everyone here because you seem to think that it's putting Sweden "down". You're almost as bad as our little boy Tulsa here.

Well that can happen to bigger cities too. Do you think all people are happy when Sochi olympics is over?? What will they do with all those upgrading?? I mean people go to Sochi for summer vacation. But people are going to Åre for winter vacation. Åre is already Scandinavia's biggest winter resort. How do you know this upgrading not will do the tourism even bigger?? Also Åre and Östersund is very happy at host winter events. They already have regular events every year in alpine skiing, biathlon ect. How do you know they can't upgrade it to other sports too??

I think you should be more worried about them think like that about Sochi than Åre/Östersund. It should be more worry about a summer resort be changed to a winter resort than a winter resort being upgraded to a bigger winter resort.

Also your comment about Rougge is BS. There's nothing diplomatic and nice about his comment just an honest opinion.

[FYI]

Sochi's upgrading wasn't just about the networks, but also about the "resorts", remember. Now many other Russian Winter atheletes can now go & train WITHIN their country instead of having to go elsewhere in the world. In other words, a legacy.

And whatever. I don't see how a comment like that from Rogge can be construed into "had Sweden bid for 2014, that they would've won". He can't vote (unless there's a final tie) & he can't speak for the other 109 "individual" IOC members.

[worldracer]

Sochi will use the upgrades as a summer resort and as a burgeoning winter resort. Just as you state upgrades in Sweden would bring more tourism, that true in Russia, too. Win-win.

If Ostersund and Are are already two of the major resorts in Sweden, do they need to upgrade? Will they need 40,000 hotel rooms between the two cities? They have been successful for years without that.

As for Rogge, I have to respectfully agree that he encourages every NOC to bid. He is a diplomat and not a realist, at least not publically. I can't recall one time where he has criticized a bid in public.

And as I said before, I would love to have Sweden host the Games.

[Kenadian]

Rogge is certainly not a rogue. He is incredibly diplomatic in public, but likely in private, a little bit more realistic. He doesn't want to damage the Olympic brand with negative remarks, but since he knows that in the end, only one city at a time gets to host and that there is an exhaustive process in place to weed out weak applicants, inviting anyone and everyone to bid does little to no harm to the Olympic movement.

[Westfale]

Maybe I am wrong, but could a Swedish bid not face the same problems Munich and Annecy had? Will the public support a bid and not just the government(currently Sweden has a minority government!)? Does Sweden really need a artificial sliding center, since Sweden has no tradition in these sports. Will the environmentalists protest against the construction?

[FYI]

Environmentalists protest against virtually anykind of new construction.

[Pillan]

Sochi's upgrading wasn't just about the networks, but also about the "resorts", remember. Now many other Russian Winter atheletes can now go & train WITHIN their country instead of having to go elsewhere in the world. In other words, a legacy.

And whatever. I don't see how a comment like that from Rogge can be construed into "had Sweden bid for 2014, that they would've won". He can't vote (unless there's a final tie) & he can't speak for the other 109 "individual" IOC members.

The same can be said for Sweden. The olympics can make better possibles to training to the Swedish and why not even Norweigan athletes. Remember Åre/Östersund isn't far from the Norweigan border. There are regular trains going from Trondheim to Östersund.

Well, he has contact with the IOC members. He probably know how the discussion are among them.

[Pillan]

Maybe I am wrong, but could a Swedish bid not face the same problems Munich and Annecy had? Will the public support a bid and not just the government(currently Sweden has a minority government!)? Does Sweden really need a artificial sliding center, since Sweden has no tradition in these sports. Will the environmentalists protest against the construction?

The same can be said fore all countries then. Is there any country who has tradition in ALL olympic events.

Well, it was along time ago since Sweden gave a bid. We simple don't know the people's opinion right now. I'm sure the SOC will find it out before they give a offical bid.

Also is the people opinion that important? Should a worser bid win because the people support it?? That's wrong too.

[baron-pierreIV]

Pillan, were you and Tulsa twins separated at birth?

Edited July 14, 2011 by baron-pierreIV