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Leopards and spots is an expression and at a location dominated by gambling and commercialism?

Unfortunately some European candidates such as the Swiss aren't getting their act together.

If Reno/Tahoe went up against Zurich/Lucerne they would have absolutely no chance. Sadly you are right in saying that apart from Munich, geography favours Reno

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Oh please, such biased idiocy from Athensfan whose stupid SUMMER USA dream will not come true in the NEXT 40 years!!.... /\ Reno is a trend-starter in global political movements of conscience!! Th

For 2022 I'm quite sure that Europe will make it. It's the very fist time that there are 3 consecutive winter games not held in Europe with Vancouver in NA and Sochi and PC in Asia (sure Sochi is part

It has been explained to you COUNTLESS times already "why", but you, just like your "pathetic" lost brother Tulsa, REFUSE/WON'T listen. And what's most "pathetic" of all, is that you're suppose to be

LA 1984

Atlanta 1996

Salt Lake City 2002

Leopards and spots is an expression and at a location dominated by gambling and commercialism?

Unfortunately some European candidates such as the Swiss aren't getting their act together.

If Reno/Tahoe went up against Zurich/Lucerne they would have absolutely no chance. Sadly you are right in saying that apart from Munich, geography favours Reno

So you think the rich should only spend their money in Monte Carlo? :rolleyes: And there are no casinos in Switzerland (ahem...Campione d'Italia)? :rolleyes: Would you rather have an Olympics where the people are in the hole for the party? Or one where it has been responsibly paid for. If you choice is the former, then there is nothing to discuss.

BTW, one of those IOC'ers actually voted for Atlanta thinking it was Atlantic City, and I think was ACTUALLY DISAPPOINTED when it wasn't so. So they'll be getting what they're voting for this time! :lol:

Pssssst. Reno and Vegas have the better shows than Monte Carlo or the one casino in Campione d'Italia. Plus, there's a Monte Carlo and Bellagio (and New York, Paris, Venice, Mandalay Bay, etc.) in Vegas but no Vegas or Reno in Monte Carlo or Ticino. ;)

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The trouble with Reno is image - it simply appears very trashy and over commercialised more so even than Las Vegas. It could easily be the Tackiest games ever

It would make Atlanta96 the paragon of restraint.

ABSOLUTELY. It's a non-starter.

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Oh please, such biased idiocy from Athensfan whose stupid SUMMER USA dream will not come true in the NEXT 40 years!!....

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/\ Reno is a trend-starter in global political movements of conscience!! This was OCCUPY RENO!! before the whole movement caught on.

Occupy Oakland!! 111022_oakland_protests_1_130am.grid-8x2.jpg

Here is Occupy London, an Olympic city, copying Reno's style:

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OCCUPY VENICE!! Hotel-Excelsior-on-the-Ve-001.jpg

It's all the rage!! Score ANOTHER one for Reno!!

Their beautiful NEW website: http://www.renotahoewintergames.org/

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It would seem you are from Reno, Baron Pierre?

The website appears empty.

The neon-lighted slot machine ambience of Reno is a million miles from the classy casinos of Zurich or Geneva.

Sorry Reno would just look awful for a winter games and it would be the bid city not Lake Tahoe. There would just be rampant commercialism.

Other locations would be far more respectful unless Reno has a total overhaul

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It would seem you are from Reno, Baron Pierre?

The website appears empty.

The neon-lighted slot machine ambience of Reno is a million miles from the classy casinos of Zurich or Geneva.

Zurich? Geneva? U're kidding? :lol::lol:

Those prissy-sissy-Swiss misses can't get their act together. And as I said before, the apres-ski, like the Swiss, in those cities is BOOOOOOOOOOORRRRIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGG! Reno and Vegas have the best shows AFTER DARK!!

Ha! Reno shall prevail in 2022!! HA!!!

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...well I imagine it would depend on a plan being presented. This is a wonderful region of exceptional geography which is more than perfect for the task at hand, that being winter sport competition. Similar attitudes were probably common before Salt Lake became one of the most respected and successful Winter Games in recent decades.

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My guess for 2022 is Munich because 2020 is Istanbul's to lose.

You do realize the last time a games were won by a country that didn't have significant clout within the IOC was in 1991 right? Turkey is not the favourite, not even close. They do not have connections, they don't have high profile IF members, they have a long and storied history of medicore bids and being out-campaigned at almost every competition they enter. It would be an absolute shock for Istanbul to win. Who is their voting block? The Arab votes would go to Qatar and then Japan, Asian votes to Tokyo, African votes would be a mixed bag, as would ones from the Americas and the Europeans would be camped behind one of Tokyo, Rome or Madrid depending on their own ambitions. Turkey isn't a popular country and politically their current government is not well liked in both the Arab and European spheres. Add to it, absolutely no experience hosting major sporting events and there you have it.

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You do realize the last time a games were won by a country that didn't have significant clout within the IOC was in 1991 right? Turkey is not the favourite, not even close. They do not have connections, they don't have high profile IF members, they have a long and storied history of medicore bids and being out-campaigned at almost every competition they enter. It would be an absolute shock for Istanbul to win. Who is their voting block? The Arab votes would go to Qatar and then Japan, Asian votes to Tokyo, African votes would be a mixed bag, as would ones from the Americas and the Europeans would be camped behind one of Tokyo, Rome or Madrid depending on their own ambitions. Turkey isn't a popular country and politically their current government is not well liked in both the Arab and European spheres. Add to it, absolutely no experience hosting major sporting events and there you have it.

Who is the fav then. Maybe I should have said my wishes instead of guesses.

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...well I imagine it would depend on a plan being presented. This is a wonderful region of exceptional geography which is more than perfect for the task at hand, that being winter sport competition. Similar attitudes were probably common before Salt Lake became one of the most respected and successful Winter Games in recent decades.

Winter sports competition, especially on the level of the Olympics, requires a lot more than beautiful scenery and exceptional geography. I don't doubt that Reno-Tahoe could handle all of the needed outdoor venues. It's the indoor venues I continue to question and that has nothing to do with anyone's perception of the city of Reno. An Olympics requires no less than 5 major indoor venues. So how does Reno handle that? Do they use existing venues, most of which aren't exactly that big? Do they build new venues? Do they copy parts of the Sochi plan and build a complex of temporary venues? I don't know what, if anything, makes sense for Reno, especially in less than stellar economic times. And the funny thing about Salt Lake is that when you compare their venue plan to that of Vancouver, it pales in comparison. So it goes back to the question.. can Reno offer up a bid plan that the IOC will choose? I won't go so far (as some people have) to dismiss Reno entirely because I very much want to see what they have to offer. But I remain pessimistic that they can produce a winning bid, especially when they've been passed over as a candidate by the USOC multiple times before.

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Well it would certainly be interesting to see what a town with the the many existing natural, resort industry and accessibility advantages like Reno can come up with for venue plans.

Reno with Mt Rose in the background. Mt Rose is located just North-Eastish above the top of Lake Tahoe.

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Here's a shot looking up over the Mt Rose ridge to the lake

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well I'm not arguing with you but I don't agree with your narrow characterization of Reno, and I believe if they can find a creative sustainable way to finance infrastructure and venues necessary there is opportunity to develop an attractive and significant Olympic brand.

I agree that Denver would be a no brainer but are they really interested or ready? The transportation issue up the hill there to ANY resort will be similar to the issues in Vancouver, doable but a hell of an inconvenience, particularly all the way to Vail or Beaver Creek. I've seem a couple people mention Aspen but that's even farther and more complicated.

It just seems to me that the lake winter paradise is sitting just above a town that is capable of hosting with the right plan. Reno is incredibly accessible with an airport similar to Salt Lake and is an amazing hub city to everything the region has to offer. You may not like the resort industry there but it make accommodations simple already. I think they can do it, and I welcome that they are not a metropolis with long treks to remote mountain venues.

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well I'm not arguing with you but I don't agree with your narrow characterization of Reno, and I believe if they can find a creative sustainable way to finance infrastructure and venues necessary there is opportunity to develop an attractive and significant Olympic brand.

I agree that Denver would be a no brainer but are they really interested or ready? The transportation issue up the hill there to ANY resort will be similar to the issues in Vancouver, doable but a hell of an inconvenience, particularly all the way to Vail or Beaver Creek. I've seem a couple people mention Aspen but that's even farther and more complicated.

It just seems to me that the lake winter paradise is sitting just above a town that is capable of hosting with the right plan. Reno is incredibly accessible with an airport similar to Salt Lake and is an amazing hub city to everything the region has to offer. You may not like the resort industry there but it make accommodations simple already. I think they can do it, and I welcome that they are not a metropolis with long treks to remote mountain venues.

That's a massive IF that they can get financing and a venue plan. Not that Denver isn't in the same boat, especially with the transportation issues. And paul, if you're really trying to sell Reno airport as being "accessible" and on the same level as SLC, I'm sorry but that's laughable. According to Wikipedia.. The terminal at RNO has 23 gates for the airlines that it serves. These airlines have around 140 flights daily to and from the airport, providing service to 15 cities non-stop and about 31 cities with a same plane one stop flight.

Now compare that to Salt Lake City which is a hub for Delta Airlines, has a total of 90 gates, and has direct flights to cities on 3 continents. So that's an awful comparison to be making.

Again, without trying to pre-judge Reno for the type of city it is or isn't, here's what they're up against. Salt Lake had a 14,000 seat (and that's the ice floor capacity) arena recently built in the heart of downtown with their convention center next door. They then built a new secondary arena near SLC, a new arena down in Provo, and used a new ice venue up in Ogden, not to mention building a new speed skating venue that has plenty of sustainability as a training venue. And then Vancouver comes along with not 1, but 2 ready-made arenas (the smaller of which holds over 16,000) and completely blows every former host out of the water. What does Reno have? An 11,000 seat arena and a 7,500 seat arena, and those numbers both go way down for ice events, and the bigger of those 2 is already 30 years old. So does Reno build a brand new arena with, say, 15,000 seats that they may or may not need after the games? Do they use Sacramento for that since that city has been desperate for a new arena for quite some time now? You may welcome the idea that Reno is a smaller city than some Olympic hosts, but if the arenas are smaller, that's a lot fewer people that will get to experience the Olympics. Not exactly a plus in my book.

So if the USOC pushes a bid for 2022, they essentially have 2 polar opposite bids. Reno-Tahoe is ideal for the outdoor venues, but severely lacking on the indoor venues. Denver would be ideal for the indoor venues (they also have a 76,000 seat stadium for the ceremonies.. I'd like to see Reno match that) but have lots of questions with the outdoor venues. That's why I want to see what both cities/regions have to offer. All things being equal (interest level, financial support, and yes we'd remiss if we didn't factor in 1976), Denver seems like the clear pick over Reno-Tahoe. So that's what the RTWGC is up against. I would love to see them put their best foot forward, but I remain less than convinced that they have the ability to put together a winning bid, and no amount of scenics from a couple of mountaintops is going to seal the deal for them.

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can the question is will the USOC risk bidding for both the 2022 and 2024 games?

No; it won't. With bidding such a long, convoluted, complicated, expensive process now...and assuming that South Africa will indeed run for 2024, it would be foolish for the USOC to even attempt 2024. If Munich seems pretty strong too for 2022, the USOC might even bypass that year and shoot for 2026 when the WOGs would be due for a non-European stop.

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Denver has expressed their interest publicly. They were eager to go for 2018 and have since made multiple statements about 2022. Every time Reno makes a statement, Denver follows suit.

I agree that Denver has a transportation to work out, but that doesn't seem as significant as Reno's lack of venues (assuming you dismiss their other weak points).

No matter what plan Reno comes up with, I can't imagine a scenario where they would beat a capable European candidate. The second the Evaluation Committee got off the plane it would be "game over."

As for Denver, I just don't buy the ancient history argument. I think Denver can win, though it might take two tries. I don't think any American city is likely to win first time out of the gate. That's one of the many reasons why I wish Chicago would rise again. 2016 would count as their first try....

As for the US bidding for both 2022 and 2024, I think it's possible, but I think it would be better for the USOC to determine a strategy and stick to it. Otherwise the bids fail to build much momentum. Obviously, I hope they focus on Summer Games....

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I still think if Toulouse/Pyrenees bid entered they'd provide an ideal host - city, snow, guaranteed legacy.

Indoor venues would find definite usage for both the basketball and ice hockey teams even if the capacity was slightly downsized after the games.

With no genuine speed skating rink, any built could become the hometrack for the national team - any rink built for a USA bid would have to be temporary or designed for alternative use after the games beacuse of the existing Salt Lake City rink

The transportation to the alpine venues have already been discussed. There are already significant rail and motorway links in place that takes you almost to the doorstep of the mountain venues - a significant rail route, one of which goes directly from Tolouse to Bageneres de Luchon and a major motorway within 25km of the sites - there's even a small airport that can be upgraded whilst Toulouse airport already handles most aircraft and is the test airport for all of Airbus's range.

Potential alpine resorts with their vertical drop listed include

Val Louron 1,300m vertical drop 2hrs/162km from Toulouse

Superbageneres 820m vertical drop 2hrs/159km

Peyragudes 800m vertical drop 2hrs/157km

Saint-Lary-Soulan 850m vertical drop 1hr45mins/153km

and also mountains with 700m drops that can be used for the shorter alpine events. The mountains are all linked by road in the small cluster between the two French Pyrenean region - not in the parks themselves.

and if there is concern about snow and global warning, the Crystal Ski guide says

".. because the Pyrenees is the closest mountain range to the Atlantic, it can get some highly enthusiastic dumps of snow. Thanks to the improved infrastructure, this is now retained for much longer so the variety of skiing is pretty consistent...."

A new mountain range and a new part of Europe for the games.

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