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Is Boise really a legitimate option? Have they been making any noise about bidding at all? Have they hosted any major events? These are honest questions -- I'm genuinely unfamilar with their level of potential.

I suppose the mascot could be a figure-skating potato....

Boise hosted the 2009 Winter Special Olympics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Special_Olympics_World_Winter_Games

It could present a Denver-like bid, but would be hard pressed like Reno into justifying building permanent Ski Jumps and a Sliding Track. However, it would be much more compact than a Denver bid, as I see Denver using Colorado Springs, which is "relatively" nearby and more importantly HQ of the USOC.

By using Colorado Springs, Denver has 1 more arena up their sleeves and could justify building a Speed Skating Oval, Ski Jumps, Sliding Track and even a Biathlon/Cross Country Skiing course there.

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Boise hosted the 2009 Winter Special Olympics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Special_Olympics_World_Winter_Games

It could present a Denver-like bid, but would be hard pressed like Reno into justifying building permanent Ski Jumps and a Sliding Track. However, it would be much more compact than a Denver bid, as I see Denver using Colorado Springs, which is "relatively" nearby and more importantly HQ of the USOC.

By using Colorado Springs, Denver has 1 more arena up their sleeves and could justify building a Speed Skating Oval, Ski Jumps, Sliding Track and even a Biathlon/Cross Country Skiing course there.

The construction of new world class venues does seem to make a lot more sense in Denver because of the headquarters of the USOC, Olympic Training Center, etc.

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^^ Exactly. With Colorado Springs being a mere 98km south of Denver, one could justify such venues being built there when you already have 2 complexes in the US, and a further 2 in Canada.

It might not be a compact bid, but it would be logical.

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Boise hosted the 2009 Winter Special Olympics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Special_Olympics_World_Winter_Games

It could present a Denver-like bid, but would be hard pressed like Reno into justifying building permanent Ski Jumps and a Sliding Track. However, it would be much more compact than a Denver bid, as I see Denver using Colorado Springs, which is "relatively" nearby and more importantly HQ of the USOC.

By using Colorado Springs, Denver has 1 more arena up their sleeves and could justify building a Speed Skating Oval, Ski Jumps, Sliding Track and even a Biathlon/Cross Country Skiing course there.

If Denver bids the ice events will be in Denver and Vail would be used for snow. Its not going to be a Denver games with only the fricken ceremonies and some hockey in Denver. I am guessing that a Denver games would take the same approach as Vancouver and Torino did with their ovals and there is already two arenas within Denver that can be used so you would just need a third one and like Vancouver it would probably be in cooperation with a university (probably the University of Denver since they actually have a good hockey program).

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Especially now that Baron has put "Reno is ready" in his signature. Nothing could be farther than the truth. How can they be ready without VENUES??!! :huh:

The same way Sochi was ready with absolutely NO venues.

Good question. Is it just Denver, Reno and Salt Lake?

Albany/Lake Placid. And I've always wondered how feasible a Portland, OR Winter bid could be (the city tried for the 1968 Summer Olympics). Other than those, I don't see too many more others that would be "big" city.

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^^ Exactly. With Colorado Springs being a mere 98km south of Denver, one could justify such venues being built there when you already have 2 complexes in the US, and a further 2 in Canada.

It might not be a compact bid, but it would be logical.

Denver & Colorado Springs are farther apart than that, at 70 miles away from each other. You're right, hardly compact at all. "Logical", maybe (but since when does the IOC vote that way). Logistic wise, isn't too feasible, though.

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What if there was a way to build a ski jump and temporary Olympic stadium somewhere in Tahoe? Maybe even one of the ice venues as a temorary (movable) venue. There is a lot of space in the North Shore before state line adjacent to all the North shore casinos. These Casinos are not as gigantic as Vegas but are somewhat more "sophisticated" already than many down in Reno. Here is a shot of the general configuration, some slopes of Heavenly in the background.

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Now what if you add an intercontinental or some other luxury hotel or 2 to the mix and have it as the IOC hotel.

Then you have the opening ceremonies and all the snow events be the base for of LAKE TAHOE 2022 and all the Ice venues would be in Reno.

(I could see the sloping geography behind the casinos used as a base for a spectacular ski jump! And don't forget this mountain faces the lake!)

p.s. there is also a small airport in the South Shore.

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The same way Sochi was ready with absolutely NO venues.

Albany/Lake Placid. And I've always wondered how feasible a Portland, OR Winter bid could be (the city tried for the 1968 Summer Olympics). Other than those, I don't see too many more others that would be "big" city.

I thought Portland was 2+ hours away from the mountains? Plus Portland doesn't seem like the type of city that's populous would be that interested in an Olympics.

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For me, it's more manageable to watch, i.e., it's easier to find the events I really want to watch on the TV sked. The SOGs have too many events going on the same time, that I've found it quite difficult NOT TO miss the sports and teams I want to watch, since I never know when they will show them -- either live or tape-delayed. But that's about my only complaint for a SOG sked. Well, actually, there are TOO many T&F events, basketball, soccer, shooting, swimming, boxing, etc., that REALLY mess up my TV watching. I don't know why they just don't eliminate those.

Baron, if it was up to you, all athletes and sports would be eliminated, and the Olympic Games would consist solely a giant frilly production show, with an ice dancing number thrown in, no matter what the season. That's all you really, truly, care about.

P.S. You're also really super self centered. "All these other sports mess up MY TV viewing, so they should be eliminated!" You're such a fucking JOKE.

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I think we've discussed this before. Boston was mentioned but because of the distances it might not be possible. Boise, Idaho and Sacramento.

Sacramento is NOT an option. Not even close. My family lives in Sacramento county, so I'm more than familiar with the city and the area, all the way up to Tahoe, and to Reno.

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The same way Sochi was ready with absolutely NO venues.

That's exactly my point. Sochi wasn't "ready." They won, but they weren't ready.

The reasons Sochi won do not have parallels to Reno.

1.) Russia is a major Winter sports power that has never hosted Winter Games.

2.) The "snow to sea" concept of a Black Sea resort was appealing and novel.

3.) The Russian government pledged to throw tons of money at the Games to make them a spectacle of national pride.

4.) Russia hasn't hosted any Olympics since 1980.

I don't see any of the above factors aiding Reno's bid. The U.S. has hosted Winter Games 3 times. There is nothing novel or appealing about Reno. The United States government isn't going to throw money at an Olympic Games. The United States just hosted Winter Olympics in 2002.

In summary, Sochi could do it without any venues because they had a lot of other compensating factors. Reno is not in the same position.

Either way, neither city could be described as "ready."

Doesn't anybody think the fact that the area is dominated by gambling is a handicap for Reno? We're not talking about Monte Carlo either -- or even Las Vegas. We're talking about down on it's heels Reno. It's a city of slot machines. Why would the IOC choose that?

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What if there was a way to build a ski jump and temporary Olympic stadium somewhere in Tahoe? Maybe even one of the ice venues as a temorary (movable) venue. There is a lot of space in the North Shore before state line adjacent to all the North shore casinos. These Casinos are not as gigantic as Vegas but are somewhat more "sophisticated" already than many down in Reno. Here is a shot of the general configuration, some slopes of Heavenly in the background.

Now what if you add an intercontinental or some other luxury hotel or 2 to the mix and have it as the IOC hotel.

Then you have the opening ceremonies and all the snow events be the base for of LAKE TAHOE 2022 and all the Ice venues would be in Reno.

(I could see the sloping geography behind the casinos used as a base for a spectacular ski jump! And don't forget this mountain faces the lake!)

p.s. there is also a small airport in the South Shore.

Paul. There is no way all the construction you propose is going to take place in South Lake Tahoe, CA/Stateline, NV. Environmentalists would have a field day with it, and rightly so. Even I'd even be opposed to it. It's bad enough with what's already there.

2.) The "snow to sea" concept of a Black Sea resort was appealing and novel.

Really? Was it? Because I thought that Vancouver got there first with that one....

And Soaring, some looney bins have even proposed that Las Vegas should has a games, so why should it surprise you that someone would propose Reno?

P.S. Paul, it ain't gonna happen on the North Shore either.

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Really? Was it? Because I thought that Vancouver got there first with that one....

I was under the impression that it was novel. Vancouver isn't a bikini town. Sochi is.

And Soaring, some looney bins have even proposed that Las Vegas should has a games, so why should it surprise you that someone would propose Reno?

If Las Vegas is crazy, Reno is even crazier. It's the cheap knock-off of Vegas.

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I was under the impression that it was novel. Vancouver isn't a bikini town. Sochi is.

If Las Vegas is crazy, Reno is even crazier. It's the cheap knock-off of Vegas.

Well Vancouver isn't "bikini town", as you put it, but I think they got there first with the whole "Sea to Snow" thing. "Sea to Sky", "Sea to Snow", what's the big difference?

And yes, BOTH Las Vegas and Reno are bad ideas. I wouldn't call Reno a "cheap knock off" of Vegas, though. It's just...Reno. As the second largest city in a state where casino gambling is entirely legal, you're going to expect Reno to be the way it is.

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Well Vancouver isn't "bikini town", as you put it, but I think they got there first with the whole "Sea to Snow" thing. "Sea to Sky", "Sea to Snow", what's the big difference?

The context of my original comment had to do with why a Sochi bid could succeed without venues, where a Reno bid is unlikely to do so.

The focus was not on "Sochi has done something never done before." The focus of that part of my post was on the fact that Sochi offered a concept that appealed to the IOC's imaginations. I do think there is a big difference between a summer beach town with ski slopes in the background and Vancouver. It does have a unique flavor. That's all I'm saying. Obviously other coastal cities have hosted before.

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I was under the impression that it was novel. Vancouver isn't a bikini town. Sochi is.

If Las Vegas is crazy, Reno is even crazier. It's the cheap knock-off of Vegas.

Las Vegas is crazier than Reno IMO but Reno isn't to far behind.

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Just discovered something very interesting.

Oddly enough there is only ONE TIME IN HISTORY that a continent has hosted two Winter Games without an intervening Summer Games: Salt Lake City 2002/Vancouver 2010. If I'm reading the charts correctly, that has NEVER happened any other time in the history of the Olympic Games. Why should North America have to host three Winter Olympics before getting a shot at Summer Games? This is totally unprecedented and seems extremely unbalanced.

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Just discovered something very interesting.

Oddly enough there is only ONE TIME IN HISTORY that a continent has hosted two Winter Games without an intervening Summer Games: Salt Lake City 2002/Vancouver 2010. If I'm reading the charts correctly, that has NEVER happened any other time in the history of the Olympic Games. Why should North America have to host three Winter Olympics before getting a shot at Summer Games? This is totally unprecedented and seems extremely unbalanced.

Sorry no : at least Sarajevo 1984 -> Albertville 1992 (yes Barcelona was the same year, but some month later)

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