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Why not base a bid in Sacremento then? I am thinking Denver is the favourite for the American bid, as it has good infrastructure, two arenas and a stadium that would host the largest winter Olympics OC.

FGS, we've been thru this before. Where did u get the idea that Denver is the favorite? They bear the mark of Cain; they have this black cloud hanging over their bid.

Why Reno over Sacramento? Think. Simple. Because:

1. it's the Nevadans who are pushing this bid (most of the slopes to be used will be on the Nevada side)

2. the slopes are half the time away from Reno vs. Sacramento

3. Reno, DESPITE what some numbnuts here say, can give a more wintry feel THAN Sacramento because it is a mountain city.

STOP CHANGING THE FORMULA! It's NOT like those people PLANNING the ACTUAL THING haven't thought about it!!

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Oh please, such biased idiocy from Athensfan whose stupid SUMMER USA dream will not come true in the NEXT 40 years!!.... /\ Reno is a trend-starter in global political movements of conscience!! Th

For 2022 I'm quite sure that Europe will make it. It's the very fist time that there are 3 consecutive winter games not held in Europe with Vancouver in NA and Sochi and PC in Asia (sure Sochi is part

It has been explained to you COUNTLESS times already "why", but you, just like your "pathetic" lost brother Tulsa, REFUSE/WON'T listen. And what's most "pathetic" of all, is that you're suppose to be

FGS, we've been thru this before. Where did u get the idea that Denver is the favorite? They bear the mark of Cain; they have this black cloud hanging over their bid.

Why Reno over Sacramento? Think. Simple. Because:

1. it's the Nevadans who are pushing this bid (most of the slopes to be used will be on the Nevada side)

2. the slopes are half the time away from Reno vs. Sacramento

3. Reno, DESPITE what some numbnuts here say, can give a more wintry feel THAN Sacramento because it is a mountain city.

STOP CHANGING THE FORMULA! It's NOT like those people PLANNING the ACTUAL THING haven't thought about it!!

:lol: thanks for the explanation about Reno, anyways, looking just at the infrastructure and nothing else Denver is the favourite.

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Why would they change the Olympic Stadium? its only for ceremonies purposes? Thats what we are taking about. Secondly, we know what the Swedish bid will likely be, but Switzerland there are five options so really we don't know which site will be picked and eventually the stadium.

Seriously you need to grow up and act at least half your age. :blink:

You know how a Swedish bid will look like???? Then how could you believe the Olympic stadium shouldf be in Åre??

Sorry but we don't know anything haw a swedish bid will look like.

So if you know, give it to me!! Tell me how the swedish bid will look like.

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You know how a Swedish bid will look like???? Then how could you believe the Olympic stadium shouldf be in Åre??

Sorry but we don't know anything haw a swedish bid will look like.

So if you know, give it to me!! Tell me how the swedish bid will look like.

I didn't say the stadium should be in Are, I was lead to believe it was a co-bid with Ostersund.

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I didn't say the stadium should be in Are, I was lead to believe it was a co-bid with Ostersund.

It is a co-bid with Östersund, but only for the events which needs moutains. The rest of the events will be in Österstund with the Olympic stadium.

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How so? Unless the Ski Jump will be located in Östersund, then most likely not. After all, the stadium does have plenty of land surrounding it for potential venue and athlete village construction.

Because, its easier I believe to expand it then a 10,000 seat stadium (which look like it has a huge infield).

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If you imagine that '76 never happened, it's a no-brainer to pick Denver over Reno. There's absolutely no question that Denver offers a superior setting. Assuming the will is there and assuming the IOC is willing to let bygones be bygones, I believe a Denver bid would be much more competitive and credible internationally.

The whole question is '76. Baron is convinced that the referendum is an eternal albatross. Perhaps he is right, but that doesn't make Reno an exciting alternative.

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I think any pragmatic and sensible IOC member would understand Denver's decision in the context of the times and as an example of the US's lack of will to publically fund an Olympics. If Denver could bring together the same sort of private funding that propelled Salt Lake City to success, Denver should have no problem being in their with a chance. Combined with some IOC members willingness to give the US a winter games to prolong the lack of summer games and an over need to go to the US eventually with a winter games because of continental factors the IOC will just have to take what the USOC is offering. Denver is a beautiful city and would make a great host.

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Baron is convinced that the referendum is an eternal albatross. Perhaps he is right, but that doesn't make Reno an exciting alternative.

Here's the crux of my thinking. Denver had their one chance which OTHER CITIES are just dying to have. They blew it! So sit in the corner for awhile. At least let others have a chance at failing, after all, the U.S. is supposedly the greatest democracy in the world. And it's NOT like Denver is the ONLY winter city the U.S. can present. Others may be less perfect than Denver -- but hey, up-and-coming Atlanta did better than New York or Chicago!! B) Why can't lesser winter cities have a crack at it?

It only seems the very American thing/principle to do. They can't f*ck it up anymore than you (Denver) already did in 1972!! If Reno or whomever loses, then fine; at least they had their legitimate shot at it.

Then let Denver try again--then we'll really know if bygones are bygones OR NOT. But at least one without an "A" on its chest had its best shot.

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Here's the crux of my thinking. Denver had their one chance which OTHER CITIES are just dying to have. They blew it! So sit in the corner for awhile. At least let others have a chance at failing, after all, the U.S. is supposedly the greatest democracy in the world. And it's NOT like Denver is the ONLY winter city the U.S. can present. Others may be less perfect than Denver -- but hey, up-and-coming Atlanta did better than New York or Chicago!! B) Why can't lesser winter cities have a crack at it?

It only seems the very American thing/principle to do. They can't f*ck it up anymore than you (Denver) already did in 1972!! If Reno or whomever loses, then fine; at least they had their legitimate shot at it.

Then let Denver try again--then we'll really know if bygones are bygones OR NOT. But at least one without an "A" on its chest had its best shot.

If the U.S. bids, we should put our best foot forward. Why pass over a superior alternative because someone deems it necessary for them to "sit in the corner for awhile?" Doesn't that seem like cutting off your nose to spite your face? If Reno seemed to be like a strong prospect, it would be a different story. So far I'm unconvinced that Reno can offer an internationally appealing and competitive bid.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Atlanta somehow outshone Chicago and New York. You cannot equate the '96, '12 and '16 votes. If New York or Chicago had bid for '96 they would have won. If Atlanta had bid for '12 or '16 they would have lost.

Judging by the fairly uniform belief that Atlanta staged the weakest Games in recent memory, I think the '96 Olympics harm your argument more than they help. Although many factors have contributed to the forseeable drought of U.S. Olympics -- Atlanta's mediocrity is certainly one of them.

What matters more than winning the bid is staging excellent Games. I believe that Denver, if they so chose, could do that. I am not convinced Reno could. Rather than offering up another sub-par American Games, I think the USOC needs to evaluate all their options thoroughly -- including the possibility of not entering the race.

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If the U.S. bids, we should put our best foot forward. Why pass over a superior alternative because someone deems it necessary for them to "sit in the corner for awhile?" Doesn't that seem like cutting off your nose to spite your face? If Reno seemed to be like a strong prospect, it would be a different story. So far I'm unconvinced that Reno can offer an internationally appealing and competitive bid.

It is ludicrous to suggest that Atlanta somehow outshone Chicago and New York. You cannot equate the '96, '12 and '16 votes. If New York or Chicago had bid for '96 they would have won. If Atlanta had bid for '12 or '16 they would have lost.

Judging by the fairly uniform belief that Atlanta staged the weakest Games in recent memory, I think the '96 Olympics harm your argument more than they help. Although many factors have contributed to the forseeable drought of U.S. Olympics -- Atlanta's mediocrity is certainly one of them.

What matters more than winning the bid is staging excellent Games. I believe that Denver, if they so chose, could do that. I am not convinced Reno could. Rather than offering up another sub-par American Games, I think the USOC needs to evaluate all their options thoroughly -- including the possibility of not entering the race.

TOTALLY DISAGREE. You are just so centered on a Summer Games. Not everyone's dreams REVOLVE around a Summer Games. I think a Winter Games are grander than a Summer one.

Denver blew it and they should SIT IT OUT --because the IOC is known to harbor grudges. Anyone NOT considering that is quite naive. Pretty much on the same level as Chicago believing the IOC members who told them they had their votes. Yeah, right. Look how Chicago...with its so-called technically perfect plan...which I actually found BORING, fared. Salt Lake City isn't exactly the MOST EXCITING city either. It's just a clean, kinda well-ordered town. Yet they staged excellent Games. What makes you think that the people behind the Reno-Tahoe effort are going to be any less? DO you even know their credentials? No. Even per our other communications, you are just prematurely BIASED against a town/bid whose potential you don't know. How would you like to be denied a dream of yours based on premature and unfounded bias?

Well, we shall never agree on this issue anyway. Your reasoning is to forestall the next available opportunity just in the hopes of a Summer Games. My rationale is to let OTHER cities bid; it's their money; the IOC welcomes ALL comers if they meet minimum technical requirements. Why should other cities be denied just because you don't think they look pretty enough? That's such DUMB reasoning and insulting. Like no one there is making plans for urban renewal; or that they can put a facelift on the seamier parts of town, with nearly a decade in prep? I sound like a broken record, but the NEGATIVES of a Denver don't seem to register. Denver threw away a golden opportunity. How idiotic. Too bad. Just because they want it back, doesn't mean it should automatically go to them. Besides it looks like a few experts have already come out saying that the Denver area will be too congested for a WOGs. So it's NOT like Denver is still the shiny penny in all aspects.

Snow? I happen to like the Sierra Nevada slopes better. Tahoe offers breathtaking vistas. You seem to think that all the cameras will focus on are Reno downtown shots. I bet if you timed the amount of footage devoted to the snow events PLUS the actual EVENTS INDOORS vs. a few establishing shots of downtown host city, you will find that downtown shots are maybe 4% - 5% of entire broadcasts. The action is in the arenas and the slopes. At least Reno also offers a few more exotic pleasures. You don't have to go to a casino or a show if you don't want to. There is that freedom of choice. Everyone is adult enough to go where they want to. Culture? That's why the Olympics also have the Cultural Olympiad. The host cities always enrich their cultural live by going on at least a one-year binge on bringing culture to the town.

The networks always broadcast from within cabins or some beautiful lookout points -- not some scruffy street corner. The broadcasters will ALWAYS FIND some photogenic setting; that is their job. Yeah, they may even pick some point around the lake to base their coverage. So that is terrible? If I'm not mistaken, NBC had this chalet near that non-snowy venue for Vancouver, as home base. They certainly didn't broadcast from the IBC or downtown Vancouver.

What are Denver's snow venues? Probably the same as they look in Salt Lake, Torino, Whistler, Sochi.

You can't think too long-range; they may just want to give all the SUMMER Games to everyone but the U.S. So it's kinda stupid to pine away for an event that I know will not come around to the U.S., having already staged 3 SOGs, for at least the next 3 rounds.

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Baron, my post was about Winter candidates. I did not address the idea of a future Summer bid.

Although I believe it is more important for the USOC to focus on Summer Games, that belief does not color everything I write. All of my posts are not underhanded attempts to scupper all Winter bids irrespective of quality in the crazed hope of securing Summer Olympics.

You did not respond to the valid concerns I did mention. Instead you made an issue out of an argument I hadn't even brought up.

I don't think there's any doubt that Denver could stage superior Games to Reno. I'm not convinced that Denver's historical blunder is any more of a hurdle than Reno's insipid, lackluster character.

I do believe it is more important to stage magical, memorable Games than to win a bid. In the spectrum of Summer Games, Atlanta was comparatively mediocre. We don't need to add comparatively mediocre Winter Games to the American Olympic resume.

If the USOC can come up with a candidate capable of delivering an outstanding Olympic experience -- ok. As I have said many times, despite my belief in the importance of American Summer Games, I would support a high-quality American Winter candidate. I think Denver could be such a candidate. I doubt Reno will make the grade.

These are fair points. They are not contigent on my personal conviction that at this time hosting Summer Games is more important for American athletes and audiences.

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I love the Winter Olympics more so then the Summer Olympics.

For me, it's more manageable to watch, i.e., it's easier to find the events I really want to watch on the TV sked. The SOGs have too many events going on the same time, that I've found it quite difficult NOT TO miss the sports and teams I want to watch, since I never know when they will show them -- either live or tape-delayed. But that's about my only complaint for a SOG sked. Well, actually, there are TOO many T&F events, basketball, soccer, shooting, swimming, boxing, etc., that REALLY mess up my TV watching. I don't know why they just don't eliminate those.

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For me, it's more manageable to watch, i.e., it's easier to find the events I really want to watch on the TV sked. The SOGs have too many events going on the same time, that I've found it quite difficult NOT TO miss the sports and teams I want to watch, since I never know when they will show them -- either live or tape-delayed. But that's about my only complaint for a SOG sked. Well, actually, there are TOO many T&F events, basketball, soccer, shooting, swimming, boxing, etc., that REALLY mess up my TV watching. I don't know why they just don't eliminate those.

That is like all the popular events :lol:

They have some sports that shouldn't be on the progeam like ry. gymnastics, and synchro swimming.

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TOTALLY DISAGREE. You are just so centered on a Summer Games. Not everyone's dreams REVOLVE around a Summer Games. I think a Winter Games are grander than a Summer one.

Denver blew it and they should SIT IT OUT --because the IOC is known to harbor grudges. Anyone NOT considering that is quite naive. Pretty much on the same level as Chicago believing the IOC members who told them they had their votes. Yeah, right. Look how Chicago...with its so-called technically perfect plan...which I actually found BORING, fared. Salt Lake City isn't exactly the MOST EXCITING city either. It's just a clean, kinda well-ordered town. Yet they staged excellent Games. What makes you think that the people behind the Reno-Tahoe effort are going to be any less? DO you even know their credentials? No. Even per our other communications, you are just prematurely BIASED against a town/bid whose potential you don't know. How would you like to be denied a dream of yours based on premature and unfounded bias?

Well, we shall never agree on this issue anyway. Your reasoning is to forestall the next available opportunity just in the hopes of a Summer Games. My rationale is to let OTHER cities bid; it's their money; the IOC welcomes ALL comers if they meet minimum technical requirements. Why should other cities be denied just because you don't think they look pretty enough? That's such DUMB reasoning and insulting. Like no one there is making plans for urban renewal; or that they can put a facelift on the seamier parts of town, with nearly a decade in prep? I sound like a broken record, but the NEGATIVES of a Denver don't seem to register. Denver threw away a golden opportunity. How idiotic. Too bad. Just because they want it back, doesn't mean it should automatically go to them. Besides it looks like a few experts have already come out saying that the Denver area will be too congested for a WOGs. So it's NOT like Denver is still the shiny penny in all aspects.

Snow? I happen to like the Sierra Nevada slopes better. Tahoe offers breathtaking vistas. You seem to think that all the cameras will focus on are Reno downtown shots. I bet if you timed the amount of footage devoted to the snow events PLUS the actual EVENTS INDOORS vs. a few establishing shots of downtown host city, you will find that downtown shots are maybe 4% - 5% of entire broadcasts. The action is in the arenas and the slopes. At least Reno also offers a few more exotic pleasures. You don't have to go to a casino or a show if you don't want to. There is that freedom of choice. Everyone is adult enough to go where they want to. Culture? That's why the Olympics also have the Cultural Olympiad. The host cities always enrich their cultural live by going on at least a one-year binge on bringing culture to the town.

The networks always broadcast from within cabins or some beautiful lookout points -- not some scruffy street corner. The broadcasters will ALWAYS FIND some photogenic setting; that is their job. Yeah, they may even pick some point around the lake to base their coverage. So that is terrible? If I'm not mistaken, NBC had this chalet near that non-snowy venue for Vancouver, as home base. They certainly didn't broadcast from the IBC or downtown Vancouver.

What are Denver's snow venues? Probably the same as they look in Salt Lake, Torino, Whistler, Sochi.

You can't think too long-range; they may just want to give all the SUMMER Games to everyone but the U.S. So it's kinda stupid to pine away for an event that I know will not come around to the U.S., having already staged 3 SOGs, for at least the next 3 rounds.

By these standards Munich Germany shouldn't be bidding for the 2022 olympics. What grudge does the IOC have on Denver? That they won the 1976 olympics but couldn't host it because they couldn't afford it?

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They have some sports that shouldn't be on the progeam like ry. gymnastics, and synchro swimming.

Those are among the 4 or 5 that I watch!! Just stay in your dorm, intoronto!! :angry:

Seriously, Denver was almost 40 years ago...That's my whole lifetime and I'm no spring chicken. Aren't most of the people who were on the IOC then gone by now? If they are still holding a grudge, they are extremely petty.

#1 - the IOC is steeped in and a very history-oriented organization in case you didn't notice.

#2 - it's NOT just the IOC members. Don't think for a moment that whomever Denver's rivals will be, WON'T fail to stick it to Denver by raising the issue, thereby reminding voters of the ingratitude of their competitor. After all, all's fair in love and war, and in the high stakes game of Olympic bidding. So, a Denver candidacy will always be on the defensive, forever apologizing or trying to smile off (which would across as pretty stupid) their giant faux pas. I wouldn't want to be part of such a campaign.

Yeah, they may try to remind the IOC voters that that was a long time ago, etc., etc. But so what? THey did it before; what's to prevent this fickle city from doing it again and wasting the IOC's time? So why should the IOC give Denver a second chance? WHY? All things being equal, if I were an IOC voter, I would probably give the benefit of the doubt to another city; NOT to someone who threw away their previous opportunity. What do they think it was? A sandbox prank? :rolleyes:

And it wasn't because they couldn't afford it. It was because they didn't have all their ducks in a row; that's why. As I've said before, what Denver did cannot be buried under the rug and written of "...oh, that was 40 years ago; let's forgive and forget. He-he." Very clumsy and amateurish.

By these standards Munich Germany shouldn't be bidding for the 2022 olympics.

They shouldn't. They should sit 2022 out. B)

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Anybody who knows anything about Winter Sports environments would be thrilled to spend a Winter Olympics in the Reno Tahoe region. There's nowhere like it on earth......puny-murky lake Aneccy....give me a break. And if some trashy IOC wives insist on trolling through Neiman's or Chanel, SF is only an hour away.

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