baron-pierreIV Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Posted June 22, 2011 /\ Finally, Tulsa, tres, tres comique!!
neige Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 What is the exact number of votes for the 1st round? 102? 103? ...
baron-pierreIV Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Posted June 22, 2011 What is the exact number of votes for the 1st round? 102? 103? ... No one knows. But if all 115 members show up, then probably 107 or 108...providing there are no abstentions.
GBModerator Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 What is the exact number of votes for the 1st round? 102? 103? ... Good question. From the IOC Website, there are 110 members. 2 from Korea - Lee and Moon 2 from France - Killy and Drut 2 from Germany - Bokel and Bach 1 IOC President - "Count" Rogge 110 - 7 = 103 Name Country Year of election Games participation Mr João HAVELANGE BRA 1963 1936/52 Mr Vitaly SMIRNOV RUS 1971 Mr Peter TALLBERG FIN 1976 1960/64/68/72/80 Mr Richard Kevan GOSPER AO AUS 1977 1956/60 ** Mr Richard W. POUND, Q.C. CAN 1978 1960 Mr Franco CARRARO ITA 1982 Mr Phillip Walter COLES, AM AUS 1982 1960/64/68 Mr Iván DIBÓS PER 1982 Mr Chiharu IGAYA JPN 1982 1952/56/60 ** HE Mr Pál SCHMITT HUN 1983 1968/72/76 ** HSH the Princess Nora of LIECHTENSTEIN LIE 1984 Mr Francisco J. ELIZALDE PHI 1985 HSH the Sovereign Prince ALBERT II MON 1985 1988/92/94/98/02 Mr Lambis V. NIKOLAOU GRE 1986 Ms Anita L. DEFRANTZ USA 1986 1976 ** HRH the Princess ROYAL GBR 1988 1976 Mr Ching-Kuo WU TPE 1988 Mr Willi KALTSCHMITT LUJÁN GUA 1988 Mr Shun-ichiro OKANO JPN 1990 1968 ** Mr Richard L. CARRIÓN * PUR 1990 Mr Nat INDRAPANA THA 1990 Mr Denis OSWALD * SUI 1991 1968/72/76 ** Count Jacques ROGGE * BEL 1991 1968/72/76 Mr Mario VÁZQUEZ RAÑA * MEX 1991 Mr Thomas BACH * GER 1991 1976 ** Sheikh Ahmad Al-Fahad AL-SABAH KUW 1992 Mr James L. EASTON USA 1994 Sir Craig REEDIE * GBR 1994 Mr Mario PESCANTE * ITA 1994 Mr Gerhard HEIBERG * NOR 1994 Professor Arne LJUNGQVIST SWE 1994 1952 Mr Austin L. SEALY BAR 1994 Dr Robin E. MITCHELL FIJ 1994 Mr Alpha Ibrahim DIALLO GUI 1994 Mr Alex GILADY ISR 1994 Mr Shamil TARPISCHEV RUS 1994 Mr Valeriy BORZOV UKR 1994 1972/76 ** Mr René FASEL * SUI 1995 Mr Jean-Claude KILLY FRA 1995 1964/1968 ** Mr Sam RAMSAMY * RSA 1995 Mr Reynaldo GONZÁLEZ LÓPEZ CUB 1995 Mr Olegario VÁZQUEZ RAÑA MEX 1995 1964/68/72/76 Mr Antun VRDOLJAK CRO 1995 Mr Patrick Joseph HICKEY IRL 1995 Mr Toni KHOURY LIB 1995 Syed Shahid ALI PAK 1996 Mr Ung CHANG PRK 1996 Ms Gunilla LINDBERG SWE 1996 Mr Julio César MAGLIONE URU 1996 Mr Kun-Hee LEE KOR 1996 Mr Ottavio CINQUANTA ITA 1996 Mr Guy DRUT FRA 1996 1972/76 ** Ms Irena SZEWINSKA POL 1998 1964/68/72/76/80 ** HRH the Grand Duke de LUXEMBOURG LUX 1998 General Mounir SABET EGY 1998 Ms Nawal EL MOUTAWAKEL * MAR 1998 1984 ** Mr Melitón SÁNCHEZ RIVAS PAN 1998 Mr Leo WALLNER AUT 1998 HRH the Prince of ORANGE NED 1998 Mr Ser Miang NG * SIN 1998 Mr Samih MOUDALLAL SYR 1998 Mr Joseph S. BLATTER SUI 1999 Mr Lamine DIACK SEN 1999 Mr Gian-Franco KASPER SUI 2000 Mr Carlos Arthur NUZMAN BRA 2000 1964 Intendant General Lassana PALENFO CIV 2000 Mr Zaiqing YU * CHN 2000 Mr Timothy Tsun Ting FOK HKG 2001 Raja Randhir SINGH IND 2001 1964/68/72/76/80/84 Mr John D. COATES, AC * AUS 2001 Mr Issa HAYATOU CMR 2001 Mr Juan Antonio SAMARANCH JR ESP 2001 HRH Prince Nawaf Faisal Fahd ABDULAZIZ KSA 2002 Mr Patrick S. CHAMUNDA ZAM 2002 HRH Prince Tamim Bin Hamad AL-THANI QAT 2002 Sir Philip CRAVEN, MBE GBR 2003 Mr Frank FREDERICKS * NAM 2004 1992/96/04 ** Mr Jan ZELEZNY CZE 2004 1988/92/96/00/04 ** Mr Hicham EL GUERROUJ MAR 2004 1996/00/04 ** Dr Rania ELWANI EGY 2004 1992/96/00 Mr Francesco RICCI BITTI ITA 2006 HRH Prince Tunku IMRAN MAS 2006 Ms Nicole HOEVERTSZ ARU 2006 1984 Ms Beatrice ALLEN GAM 2006 Ms Rebecca SCOTT CAN 2006 1998/02/06 ** Mr Saku KOIVU FIN 2006 1994/98 ** Mr Andrés BOTERO PHILLIPSBOURNE COL 2007 Mr Patrick BAUMANN SUI 2007 HRH Princess Haya AL HUSSEIN UAE 2007 2000 Ms Rita SUBOWO INA 2007 Mr Sergey BUBKA UKR 2008 1988/92/96/00 ** Dr Ugur ERDENER TUR 2008 Mr Dae Sung MOON KOR 2008 2004 ** Mr Alexander POPOV RUS 2008 1992/96/00/04 ** Ms Claudia BOKEL GER 2008 1996/00/04 ** Ms Yumilka RUIZ LUACES CUB 2008 1996/00/04 ** Mr Richard PETERKIN LCA 2009 HRH Crown Prince Frederik of DENMARK DEN 2009 Mr Habu GUMEL NGR 2009 Mr Habib MACKI OMA 2009 Ms Lydia NSEKERA BDI 2009 Mr Göran PETERSSON SWE 2009 HRH Prince Feisal AL HUSSEIN JOR 2010 Mr Barry MAISTER NZL 2010 Mr Pat MCQUAID IRL 2010 Ms Marisol CASADO ESP 2010 Ms Dagmawit Girmay BERHANE ETH 2010 Ms Yang YANG CHN 2010 Ms Angela RUGGIERO USA 2010 Mr Adam L. PENGILLY GBR 2010
nature Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 110 - 7 = 103 Mr Denis OSWALD * SUI 1991 1968/72/76 ** No, 110-7-1=102 FISA's Oswald Opts not to Vote for 2018 Olympic Host as Price of Keeping Samsung Sponsorship.
baron-pierreIV Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Posted June 22, 2011 No, 110-7-1=102 FISA's Oswald Opts not to Vote for 2018 Olympic Host as Price of Keeping Samsung Sponsorship. nature, how do you know this?
nature Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 No, 110-7-1=102 FISA's Oswald Opts not to Vote for 2018 Olympic Host as Price of Keeping Samsung Sponsorship. IOC warns Pyeongchang in 2018 bid probe "The IOC ethics commission recognized that FISA and its president acted in good faith, " the statement said. However, FISA president and IOC executive board member Denis Oswald will abstain from voting on the 2018 bids "to avoid a perception of conflict of interests," the IOC said. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=oly&id=5760683
GBModerator Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 IOC warns Pyeongchang in 2018 bid probe "The IOC ethics commission recognized that FISA and its president acted in good faith, " the statement said. However, FISA president and IOC executive board member Denis Oswald will abstain from voting on the 2018 bids "to avoid a perception of conflict of interests," the IOC said. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=oly&id=5760683 Ok - interesting. Still, 103 are eligible but we expect Oswald to abstain from voting. Keep up the constructive posts.
neige Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 So,I stay with 102 votes PC :34 (newest horizons) Munich: 34 (strongest sport nation) Annecy: 34 (most attractive) But after subtile Baron post, Compact plan is good for Annency since only 35 die-hard supporters will show up!! I operate a minor update: PC: 34 Munich: 33 Annecy: 35
baron-pierreIV Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Posted June 24, 2011 So,I stay with 102 votes But after subtile Baron post, I operate a minor update: PC: 34 Munich: 33 Annecy: 35 FLASH...two of those defected to PC. But with 10 days to go, here are the winning numbers: Annecy 12 Munich - 36 PC - 54
disputatio Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 1st round pyeongchang 50 munich 28 annecy 24 2nd round pyeongchang 58 munich 46
Athan Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 PC :34 (newest horizons) Munich: 34 (strongest sport nation) Annecy: 34 (most attractive) Interesting. If something like this ever happened, how would the tie be broken? Would the IOC President decide which city is eliminated on the first round?
FYI Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 The entire membership then votes in a run-off round, to determine which of the 2 cities that tied get to progress to the next deciding round. And it has happened before. In the 2004 race where Cape Town & Buenos Aires tied in one of the voting rounds.
Barcelona_'92 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Posted June 25, 2011 The entire membership then votes in a run-off round, to determine which of the 2 cities that tied get to progress to the next deciding round. And it has happened before. In the 2004 race where Cape Town & Buenos Aires tied in one of the voting rounds. Salt Lake and Jaca also tied in the first round of voting for 1998. I don't think there's ever been a 3-way tie, though--I'm not sure how the IOC would decide that.
baron-pierreIV Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Posted June 25, 2011 Salt Lake and Jaca also tied in the first round of voting for 1998. I don't think there's ever been a 3-way tie, though--I'm not sure how the IOC would decide that. Statistically, maybe one in a million. I mean Annency is sooooo desperate as to even create the most implausible scenario.
FYI Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Statistically, maybe one in a million. I mean Annency is sooooo desperate as to even create the most implausible scenario. lmfao I didn't even notice that neige was suggesting a 3-way tie 'til now. Yeah, the implausible of the implausible! Oh, those Annecy trumpeteers.
FYI Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 I don't think there's ever been a 3-way tie, though--I'm not sure how the IOC would decide that. Even with this far-fetched 2018 hypothetical; I would assume that the IOC president would then have to cast a vote. Then, whatever of the 2 cities that he didn't vote for, would then have to go to a run-off round to be determined by the rest of the membership. Then the winner from that run-off round would then go off to face the city that Rogge voted for, in a final ballot. But in all seriousness, this fricken vote ain't going down that way. Like Baron says, the Annecy supporters are just grasping at straws now. It's hysterical.
Faster Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Even with this far-fetched 2018 hypothetical; I would assume that the IOC president would then have to cast a vote. Then, whatever of the 2 cities that he didn't vote for, would then have to go to a run-off round to be determined by the rest of the membership. Then the winner from that run-off round would then go off to face the city that Rogge voted for, in a final ballot. But in all seriousness, this fricken vote ain't going down that way. Like Baron says, the Annecy supporters are just grasping at straws now. It's hysterical. The IOC President under no condition votes unless there is a final tie. As I have understood it if a tie happens between the final two candidates Rogge would be notified beforehand of the result (unlike normal) and then 'vote' as in pick a winner. I am sure that under a tie between Rogge would pick Pyeongchang. I am beginning to think more and more it is Munich's to lose now. Samsung is well hmmm, how to put this, being incredibly undiplomatic like last time and the IOC has no reason to bow to Samsung because they have potential TOP sponsors in Sony, Toshiba and even a Korean company in LG. Along with Mastercard, Apple, Siemens and a few other companies, the IOC is under no obligation or pressure to statisfy any of their top sponsors.
Lord David Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Apple? A TOP sponsor? Please... what, are they going to be the official suppliers of computers now?
Faster Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Apple? A TOP sponsor? Please... what, are they going to be the official suppliers of computers now? Apple's 2010 revenue was 65.3 BILLION dollars (or more then 3 times Acer's revenue), a TOP sponsorship runs around 200 MILLION. The sport for computers (like the one for logistics) changes often and it has been mentioned on here before by a certain mysterious poster that Apple is interested in becoming a TOP sponsor.
memorabilia Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Apple's 2010 revenue was 65.3 BILLION dollars (or more then 3 times Acer's revenue), a TOP sponsorship runs around 200 MILLION. The sport for computers (like the one for logistics) changes often and it has been mentioned on here before by a certain mysterious poster that Apple is interested in becoming a TOP sponsor. It's off subject here, but had Apple already been involved as a sponsor in an international event or in general ? I can't remember seing them somewhere... They do not need that!!!
baron-pierreIV Posted June 26, 2011 Author Report Posted June 26, 2011 It's off subject here, but had Apple already been involved as a sponsor in an international event or in general ? I can't remember seing them somewhere... They do not need that!!! And that would also mean that the IOC and the Org Committees would have to switch to Apple technology. + I don't think APple's very clean, almost nihilistic branding would be CLUTTERED by the recent UGLY Olympic logos. Apple doesn't need the IOC. They can meet their own demand. If anything, Apple and Disney would be a good marketing fit.
Rob2012 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 Interesting. If something like this ever happened, how would the tie be broken? Would the IOC President decide which city is eliminated on the first round? Did we get an answer to this question? I know it's so unlikely to be a three-way tie in this race, but I'd like to know the answer anyway.
FYI Posted June 26, 2011 Report Posted June 26, 2011 The IOC President under no condition votes unless there is a final tie. As I have understood it if a tie happens between the final two candidates Rogge would be notified beforehand of the result (unlike normal) and then 'vote' as in pick a winner. I am sure that under a tie between Rogge would pick Pyeongchang. I understand that the IOC president only votes in a final tie. Like Avery Brundage did back for the 1956 Games, when he voted for Melbourne over Buenos Aires. However, going with neige's far-flung, unlikely 3-way tie scenario, the IOC would have to do something in order to be able to move forward. And the option I listed is the only one I can see, unless someone else can list another one.
Athan Posted June 27, 2011 Report Posted June 27, 2011 It's an unlikely situation because we're not only talking about a three-way tie (which can be more or less possible) but also about an all-way tie. I mean, if it was a 4-bid race (with candidates A, B, C and D) and candidate A got 29 votes while B, C and D got 25 each, there would also be a three-way tie, but in the run-off between B, C and D, the 29 people that voted for candidate A would probably decide which city was eliminated (there could also be a need for a second run-off, though...). But anyway, what would happen in this 4-bid race if all of them got 26 votes? A run-off without the IOC President would only provide the same result unless there's an IOC member that suddenly decides to change his vote (which, BTW, would be quite stupid, wouldn't it? ) I agree with what FYI said, the IOC President votes for 1 of them so it advances to the next round, and in the run-off the IOC members that had voted for the one the President picked would help decide which city (or cities) advance too. It's so far the fairest option I can think of, but it seems the IOC has no official rules about this, so, in the hypothetical case it ever happened (not only in the race for 2018), I guess the ballot would have to be declared null and void...
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