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And, I say again, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID! Korea DID spend the money to develop winter sports for youth. The money was spent to build a training centre for winter athletes. That was the main goal. But instead of practice rinks, they built ski jumps and bobsleigh, luge and skeleton tracks, and courses for Nordic sports. The golf courses and homes were just incidental, and were done to complement the resort. Alpensia isn't just about winter sports. It's about recreation as well. Recreation involves golfing and nice accomodations. Pyeongchang will be a FANTASTIC place for athletes.

Skating rinks are cheaper to build, you don't need $1 billion to build skating rinks. And they can be built in cities, not in the mountains and resorts. If they spent $1.5 billion on skating rinks like you suggest, THAT would be a waste of money. And I thought you hated wasting money.

You must be the only Korean who thinks this bid is for politicians, because 93% of the Korean population are VERY excited to bid for the Games.

No, Stop lies. If Korea really wanted to develop winter sport, 1.5 billion dollars should have been used for young players and practice rink rather than luxury houses and golf course. Where is a training centre ? Most of this money was used for luxury houses, golf courses, condos. Alpensia was constructed excessively from the beginning. Only the cost 1.5 billion dollars has been put into building this resort. They had no money. It had been to cover the cost of construction through selling luxury houses. But are unsold. Debt of 800 million dollar still remains. Yesterday, today, tomorrow has been raised the loss of $140,000 everyday. From now, an additional government spending must stop.

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No, Stop lies. If Korea really wanted to develop winter sport, 1.5 billion dollars should have been used for young players and practice rink rather than luxury houses and golf course. Where is a training centre ? Most of this money was used for luxury houses, golf courses, condos. Alpensia was constructed excessively from the beginning. Only the cost 1.5 billion dollars has been put into building this resort. They had no money. It had been to cover the cost of construction through selling luxury houses. But are unsold. Debt of 800 million dollar still remains. Yesterday, today, tomorrow has been raised the loss of $140,000 everyday. From now, an additional government spending must stop.

Then go to the Blue House and take it up with President 2MB. Only the government can help you (but they won't, because they want the Olympics too). So really, no one can help you.

Because the rest of us wanna have some Olympic FUN!!!~

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Then go to the Blue House and take it up with President 2MB. Only the government can help you (but they won't, because they want the Olympics too). So really, no one can help you.

Because the rest of us wanna have some Olympic FUN!!!~

No, Just your wish. PC bid is completely wrong. No? You can't fool yourself. The IOC should not make the wrong choice.

1988 Seoul Olympic Stadium is not an Olympics legacy. 1 more million dollars deficit every year. It's demolition will be discussed. Because it's getting old, nobody's use. Last year, The Seoul government was reviewed the construction of shopping centers after demolition of the 1988 Olympics main stadium. Nevertheless, they are lying to IOC members. Pyeongchang 2018 Alpensia resort ? Now, has debt 800 million dollar. I can imagine the situation enough after the Olympics.

Greece 2004 archery and women's marathon was held in 1900 Olympic Stadium. Was revived in 108 years, still remains a great legacy. Tokyo 2016 plans included 1964 venues. Berlin 2006 World cup and 2009 World Athletics was held in 1936 Olympics stadium. Munich 2018 will leave a sustainable legacy in Olympics history.

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You remind me of that crazy man who burned down the 600 year old Namdaemun Gate in Seoul after he was upset with the government after being in a land dispute with a development company. I'm sure you remember.

Just please promise me you won't do anything that stupid if Pyeongchang wins, ok?

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Korea is not ready for the Winter Olympics host. Korea is not New horizons.

For the Popular Winter Sports. When Pyeongchang was held in 2009 Biathlon and Snowboard WC, the spectators and the atmosphere almost nothing. Everyone agrees. According to unnamed sources, Some IOC members are concerned about it, is not for atheltes.

For the Downhill, Downhill venue is the primeval forest. Under current law, development is illegal. This is not the Olympic spirit.

For the Possibility of Pyeongchang, Korea has just 18 resorts, almost smaller size. Yongpyeong is the largest resort in Korea but, 20 times less than Whistler. Moreover, Ski resorts can't make anymore in Korea. Because, The mountain is not enough. Muju resort in Korea as the second large-scale. Nevertheless, Mountain conditions are not good. FIS wrote, “(We) cannot support the construction of new race courses on the terrain of Muju’s South-Dokyu Mountain for technical and environment reasons”. There are no foreigners that coming to Korea for skiing in the winter. China and Japan or any Asian have no reason to come to Korea. Because, Japan and China's conditions are better than Korea. Rather, a lot of Koreans going to Japan.

For Alpensia resort, have debt 800 million dollar, have just 6 short slopes. So, Asia's winter hub is impossible. It is not for public, have 100 more luxury houses and golf course for VIP. I can imagine the situation enough after the Olympics. A few days ago, the audit results by the government auditors; Alpensia resort constructed without considering the feasibility, Excessive construction despite the expected loss from investment, $140,000 loss of interest everyday.

For the Financial problems, Gangwon province development corporation has liabilities 1.3 billion dollars including Alpensia 800 million, due to Alpensia resort construction. Additional government spending must stop.

For the Future in Asia, Japan has still 300~600 more resort. and Hakuba and Zao is most famous resorts in Asia. Harbin Yabuli resort in China, biggest ski resort in Asia. China along with Japan would be two markets in Asia after 10 years. China will lead the next generation of Asia's winter. China has an additional potential and capacity. Not Korea. Korea can't afford to additional development while the small markets.

For the Olympic Movement,1988 Seoul Olympic Stadium is not an Olympics legacy. 10 more million dollars deficit every year. It's demolition will be discussed. Because it's getting old, nobody's use. Last year, The Seoul government was reviewed the construction of shopping centers after demolition of the 1988 Olympics main stadium.

For the Dream Program, In Korea, some cities almost snow not comes (Busan, Ulsan, etc) and, there are many deprived youth. Moreover, Korea's winter sport base is very poor. Nevertheless, Korea youth does not participate in Dream Program. Who is the first between Korea youth and foreign youth? This is just a SHOW. For Olympics bid. It is a case of putting the cart before the horse.

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Munich: 47

Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark

Patrick Baumann

Sepp Blatter

Valeri Borzov

Sergey Bubka

Richard Carrion

Chang Ung

John Coates

Philip Craven

Anita DeFrantz

Jim Easton

Nawal El Moutawakel

Rene Fasel

Timothy Fok

Franki Fredericks

Alex Gilady

Joao Havelange

Gerhard Heiberg

Henri: Grand Duck

Patrick Hickey

Nicole L.M Hoevertsz

Chiharu Igaya

Gian-Franco Kasper

Saku Koivu

Princess Nora

Gunilla Lindberg

Arne Ljungqvist

Pat McQuiad

Carlos Nuzman

Shunichiro Okano

Willem-Alexander

Denis Oswald

Adam Pengilly

Richard Pound

Sam Ramsamy

Craig Reedie

Goran Petersson

Anne, Princess Royal

Angela Ruggiero

Pal Schmitt

Rebecca Scott

Randhir Singh

Peter Tallberg

Antun Vrdoljak

Leo Wallner

Yang Yang

Yu Zaiqing

Pyeongchang: 45

Habib Abdul Nabi Macki

Prince Nawaf Faisal Fahd Abdulaziz

Prince Ahmad Al-Fahad Al-Sabah

Prince Faisal bin Al Hussein

Sheikh Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani

Shahid Ali

Beatrice Allen

Dagmawit Girmay Berhane

Andres Botero Philippsbourne

Franco Carraro

Patrick Chamunda

Ottavio Cinquanta

Phil Coles

Francisco Elizalde

Rania Elwani

Ugur Erdener

Alpha Ibrahim Diallo

Ivan Dibos

Reyanldo Gonzalez Lopez

Kevan Gosper

Habu Gumel

Robin Mitchell

Ng Ser Miang

Lambis Nikolaou

Lydia Nsekera

Prince Tunku Imran

Nat Indrapana

Barry Maister

Julio Cesar Maglione

Mario Pescante

Richard Peterkin

Aleksandr Popov

Francesco Ricci Bitt

Yumilka Ruiz Luaces

Mounir Sabet

Juan Antonio Samaranch Salisachs

Meliton Sanchez Rivas

Austin Sealy

Vitali Smirnov

Rita Subowo

Shamil Tarpishchev

Mario Vazquez Rana

Olegario Vazquez Rana

Wu Ching-Kou

Jan Zelezny

Annecy: 9

Prince Albert II

Marisol Casado

Lamine Diack

Hicham El Guerrouj

Issa Hayatou

Toni Khoury

Samih Moudallal

Lassana Palenfo

Irena Szewinska

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Only 9 votes for France ? :rolleyes:

Even you don't like Annecy bid on GB, France is a popular nation in IOC, and moreover in Europe I think Annecy bid is more popular than Munich bid...

You think to know the vote of each members? You have forgot the Prince of Jordania who will vote for Annecy! ;)

The first turn will be between Annecy and Munich, en second Europe against PC... But We could see a surprise with a final Between Annecy and Munich, everything is possible, maybe IOC members get fed about PC bid... And they would like stop definitivly PC ambition for the next WoG (2022-2026 - 2030)

Nobody can know the vote intention before 6 july...

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1) Korea is not ready for the Winter Olympics host. Korea is not New horizons.

2) For the Popular Winter Sports. When Pyeongchang was held in 2009 Biathlon and Snowboard WC, the spectators and the atmosphere almost nothing. Everyone agrees. According to unnamed sources, Some IOC members are concerned about it, is not for atheltes.

3) For the Downhill, Downhill venue is the primeval forest. Under current law, development is illegal. This is not the Olympic spirit.

4) For the Possibility of Pyeongchang, Korea has just 18 resorts, almost smaller size. Yongpyeong is the largest resort in Korea but, 20 times less than Whistler. Moreover, Ski resorts can't make anymore in Korea. Because, The mountain is not enough. Muju resort in Korea as the second large-scale. Nevertheless, Mountain conditions are not good. FIS wrote, “(We) cannot support the construction of new race courses on the terrain of Muju’s South-Dokyu Mountain for technical and environment reasons”. There are no foreigners that coming to Korea for skiing in the winter. China and Japan or any Asian have no reason to come to Korea. Because, Japan and China's conditions are better than Korea. Rather, a lot of Koreans going to Japan.

5) For Alpensia resort, have debt 800 million dollar, have just 6 short slopes. So, Asia's winter hub is impossible. It is not for public, have 100 more luxury houses and golf course for VIP. I can imagine the situation enough after the Olympics. A few days ago, the audit results by the government auditors; Alpensia resort constructed without considering the feasibility, Excessive construction despite the expected loss from investment, $140,000 loss of interest everyday.

6) For the Financial problems, Gangwon province development corporation has liabilities 1.3 billion dollars including Alpensia 800 million, due to Alpensia resort construction. Additional government spending must stop.

7) For the Future in Asia, Japan has still 300~600 more resort. and Hakuba and Zao is most famous resorts in Asia. Harbin Yabuli resort in China, biggest ski resort in Asia. China along with Japan would be two markets in Asia after 10 years. China will lead the next generation of Asia's winter. China has an additional potential and capacity. Not Korea. Korea can't afford to additional development while the small markets.

8) For the Olympic Movement,1988 Seoul Olympic Stadium is not an Olympics legacy. 10 more million dollars deficit every year. It's demolition will be discussed. Because it's getting old, nobody's use. Last year, The Seoul government was reviewed the construction of shopping centers after demolition of the 1988 Olympics main stadium.

9) For the Dream Program, In Korea, some cities almost snow not comes (Busan, Ulsan, etc) and, there are many deprived youth. Moreover, Korea's winter sport base is very poor. Nevertheless, Korea youth does not participate in Dream Program. Who is the first between Korea youth and foreign youth? This is just a SHOW. For Olympics bid. It is a case of putting the cart before the horse.

You already said this word for word 12 hours earlier. Why are you repeating yourself word-for-word, TWICE, in the same day? You are spamming the forums.

I am going to copy and paste this every time YOU decide to copy and paste your lies and exaggerations. Sorry but I'm not going into detail again. If you want a detailed response, you can read the rest of this forum because we addressed everything here over the last 4 months, even your lies.

1) Lie

2) Exaggeration

3) Insignificant. And it's not illegal.

4) Irrelevant. Not trying to compete with Whistler. Irrelevant. Muju is in a different corner of Korea. Lie. Korea is already popular with Asians. China's conditions not better than Korea. See comments made yesterday. Besides, irrelevant. Korea and China both need to expand infrastructure, not just China.

5) Lie. We've discussed this all day yesterday, for the last 100 posts? Alpensia is NOT just 6 slopes. It is not even the site for downhill skiing. It's the training centre for ski jumping, bobsleigh, luge, skeleton, cross country and biathlon. It IS for the public.

6) No one cares.

7) Exaggeration. Many of Japan's "resorts" are 1 lift, 200 feet-drop verticals, some are indoors, some are a one-slope-rope-tow. China is even less developed than Korea. Korea's number of ski resorts are comparable to Russia, China, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and Chile. Unless you think none of them are qualified to ever host.

8) No one cares.

9) Irrelevant, and lie. Dream Program is for the youth who don't have access to snow. Korean youth in Busan and Ulsan have snow an hour away.

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You're not listening, dumbass. Haven't you learned anything from yesterday? We spent the whole day talking about what Alpensia is really about. It's not for downhill skiing.

And development of Jungbong is not illegal. It has the full support of the government (and the people).

We talked about all of this about 50 times already. You keep ignoring our responses, and post the same garbage everyday. Keep it up, it only makes you look crazier.

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You're not listening, dumbass. Haven't you learned anything from yesterday? We spent the whole day talking about what Alpensia is really about. It's not for downhill skiing.

And development of Jungbong is not illegal. It has the full support of the government (and the people).

We talked about all of this about 50 times already. You keep ignoring our responses, and post the same garbage everyday. Keep it up, it only makes you look crazier.

Stop distortion and lies.

Alpensia A : Just 6 slopes and 100 more luxury homes and golf courses for VIP. Not for public.

Alpensia B : Jumping park and cross-counry stadium.

Development of Jungbong is illegal. Many rare plants and trees are living. But, will change the law to force for the bid.

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are you coo-koo

they arent illegal, i have no problem with PC getting the games, btw PC and south korea will be great hosts, and iam canadian by the way

Stop distortion and lies.

Alpensia A : Just 6 slopes and 100 more luxury homes and golf courses for VIP. Not for public.

Alpensia B : Jumping park and cross-counry stadium.

Development of Jungbong is illegal. Many rare plants and trees are living. But, will change the law to force for the bid.

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Stop distortion and lies.

Alpensia A : Just 6 slopes and 100 more luxury homes and golf courses for VIP. Not for public.

Alpensia B : Jumping park and cross-counry stadium.

Development of Jungbong is illegal. Many rare plants and trees are living. But, will change the law to force for the bid.

The Pyeongchang bid team doesn't have any downhill skiing at Alpensia. Alpensia will be used for ski jumping, bobsleigh, skeleton, luge, Nordic skiing and biathlon. So who the f**k cares how many slopes there are? It's irrelevant. Downhill skiing will be done at OTHER venues.

The government and the people are both happy to develop Jungbong. 93% support the bid. Never mind democracies. In ANY society, if 93% support something, then it's a pretty clear sign of what the people want.

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This is Korean newspaper for Pyeongchang downhil illegal.

A summary of some

- This is the primeval forest.

- Many rare plants and trees are living.

- Under current law, development is illegal.

동계올림픽 위해선 불법도 불사? 산림보호구역 스키활강코스 논란

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2018년 겨울올림픽 유치를 추진하고 있는 강원도가 국제올림픽위원회(IOC)에 유치신청서를 내면서 현행법상 개발이 불가능한 산림유전자원보호구역에 스키 활강코스를 건설하겠다고 밝혀 논란이 예상된다.

31일 산림청과 강원도 관계자들의 말을 종합하면, 강원도는 지난달 10일 낸 겨울올림픽 유치신청서에서 산림유전자원보호구역으로 지정된 강원 정선군 가리왕산 중봉지구에 스키 활강코스를 만들겠다는 내용을 포함시켰다.

하지만 현재 가리왕산 일대 2432㏊는 산림청이 산림보호법 7조 등에 따라 유전자와 종 보존을 위해 산림유전자원보호구역으로 지정해 관리하고 있는 곳이다. 가리왕산은 한계령풀, 금강제비꽃, 도깨비부채 등 희귀식물의 자생지이자 분비나무, 신갈나무, 마가목 등 원시림도 보존가치가 크다는 평가를 받고 있다. 산림청은 2008년 10월 가리왕산을 ‘유전자원보호림’으로 지정·고시해 등산을 위한 입산만 제한적으로 허용하고 있다.

현행법 기준으로 보면, 강원도가 가리왕산에 스키 활강코스를 만드는 것은 불법행위에 해당한다. 산림청은 “강원도나 평창동계올림픽유치위원회로부터 가리왕산 중봉 일대의 개발에 대해 공식 협조요청을 받은 적이 없다”고 밝혔다.

이와 관련해 강원도 동계올림픽유치지원단 이민식 시설처장은 “평창 겨울올림픽 유치가 확정되면 특별법을 만들어 산림유전자원보호구역 지정을 해제하고, 이 일대의 수목을 다른 곳으로 이식할 계획이어서 큰 문제가 없다”고 설명했다.

이 처장은 “2010년과 2014년 겨울올림픽 유치 활동 때도 스키 활강코스를 가리왕산 중봉지구에 만드는 계획서를 낸 바 있다”며 “국제올림픽위에서 요구하는 표고차 기준을 충족시키는 곳이 이 지역뿐이어서 대안이 없다”고 말했다.

하지만 환경단체들은 “수목 이식은 실패 확률이 높고 비용도 많이 들어 실효성이 없으며, 유치국이 국내법을 어겼을 경우 탈락 사유가 될 수도 있다”고 지적했다.

2018년 겨울올림픽은 평창과 독일 뮌헨, 프랑스 안시 등이 유치 경쟁을 벌이고 있으며, 2월 중 현지 실사 등을 거쳐 오는 7월6일 개최지가 최종 결정된다.

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This is Korean newspaper for Pyeongchang downhil illegal.

A summary of some

- This is the primeval forest.

- Many rare plants and trees are living.

- Under current law, development is illegal.

That newspaper doesn't care about the environment, by the way. Hankyoreh just doesn't want South Korea to develop any further because they think it will make reunification with North Korea harder if the difference in wealth becomes too great. Just look at some of the comments posted for that article. Even the Korean people think that article is silly.

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thanks for pointing it out, the only foriegn newspapers outide of north america iam famailar with are the german newspapers and the italian news papers

That newspaper doesn't care about the environment, by the way. Hankyoreh just doesn't want South Korea to develop any further because they think it will make reunification with North Korea harder if the difference in wealth becomes too great. Just look at some of the comments posted for that article. Even the Korean people think that article is silly.

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That newspaper doesn't care about the environment, by the way. Hankyoreh just doesn't want South Korea to develop any further because they think it will make reunification with North Korea harder if the difference in wealth becomes too great. Just look at some of the comments posted for that article. Even the Korean people think that article is silly.

Some members can receive the help of translators : http://translate.google.com/

Fact : Development of Jungbong is illegal. Many rare plants and trees are living. But, will change the law to force for the bid.

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Some members can receive the help of translators : http://translate.google.com/

Fact : Development of Jungbong is illegal. Many rare plants and trees are living. But, will change the law to force for the bid.

Here's some more articles on this subject "nature" pointed out, from one of his other 50 friends on the topic.

It's actually one of the other articles (from the same newspaper) that talks about Hankyoreh's obsession with South Korea-North Korea reunification. Link has been provided.

This current article that "nature" is trying to show... also has criticism from readers' comments. Check it out, if your computer allows.

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Alpensia slope map. just 6 slpoes plus play ground.

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Downhill venue is the primeval forest. Under current law, development is illegal.

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/society/society_general/461631.html

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A new market? :D With tiny ski resort... Pathetic, how Korea would like to become an important with small ski resort? With only 6 slopes in the largest ski resort... Are you serious when you would like to become an important winter country?

Even the smallest ski resort in Alps are bigger than PC ski resort... Stop korea bid, isn't good for business

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