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Of course he always has to have the last word, so wait for him to say something again (probably will repeat something). Bottom line nature, it doesn't matter what numbers you pull out. It doesn't change Pyeongchang's ability to host. Like Roltel said, you missed the opportunity to disqualify Pyeongchang when the IOC decided to put them on the short list.

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I'm going to venture to say I may be one of the most avid ski enthusiasts here, I spend about 2 months a year skiing in the Western US and Canada. I want PC to win, mostly because it seems like an exciting new place to see and a good opportunity for the Olympic ideals to touch another part of the world. It's not just the ski hill but all the venues seems so well planned and it's cool to have all shinny new facilities in a plan that is actually feasible. I think the Koreans are NUTS to show what they can do and I'm 100% sure they will put in the effort and will to organize a stupendous event. I bet the crowds will be insanely huge with the close proximity to Seoul, and the games footprint and transportation plan seems to be by far the best thought out and most convenient. The resort industry in Korea is obviously geared toward recreational skiers and all their hills are more than capable of flourishing in that regard in the future. It's not Europe and it's not North America.......we get it. But they have been blessed by the governing body of the Olympics and are capable of offering the every slope necessary for every event. The idea of Munich also seems sort of cool, of course it would be neat to see the old stadium light up for another opening ceremony, but I can wait for Munich. France has not captured my imagination at all, I love France (much to the distaste of my British brother in-law) but if I'm going to go the Olympics at a lake lets make it Tahoe down the road at some point. Anyway blah blah blah good luck all candidates.

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Plus, it doesn't matter if Whistler is larger. Korea isn't trying to compete with Whistler.

It is not compared with Whistler. It is about Korea's marketability and capacity. The construction of ski resorts is impossible anymore in Korea. For the Olympics site Alpensia resort, just "6" slopes. winter hub ? It is impossible, never. I just confess the truth about their lies.

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It is not compared with Whistler. It is about Korea's marketability and capacity. The construction of ski resorts is impossible anymore in Korea. For the Olympics site Alpensia resort, just "6" slopes. winter hub ? It is impossible, never. I just confess the truth about their lies.

Alpensia is the site of cross country skiing. It's not for downhill skiing. The number of slopes is irrelevant here.

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Alpensia is the site of cross country skiing. It's not for downhill skiing. The number of slopes is irrelevant here.

Pyeongchang bid committee say "Alpensia will be hub for Asia's winter after the Olympics. But, It is impossible. They attempt to purchase the Winter Olympics with the lies. As a result, a debt of 800 million dollars was raised. This bid is not for the sports.

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The resort industry in Korea is obviously geared toward recreational skiers and all their hills are more than capable of flourishing in that regard in the future. It's not Europe and it's not North America.......we get it. But they have been blessed by the governing body of the Olympics and are capable of offering the every slope necessary for every event.

Agreed. Are the Olympics about trying to develop more gold medalists, or are they about trying to promote sporting activity and a healthy lifestyle for the greater population? If the Olympics are all about developing more elite gold medalists, then Korea might never be able to compete with the skiers of Switzerland and Austria. If the Olympics are trying to get the common folk involved in sport participation at all levels, then Korea is the best choice for 2018, for both Koreans and the rest of Asia. Contrary to what antis are saying, Korea is already a very popular tourist destination within Asia, and their vision of a winter sports region is geared towards these Asians who want to ski recreationally before they ever hope to become gold medalists. That's why it doesn't matter if Korea has a Whistler or Chamonix-type resort or not. Korea will make the best of their situation. They don't have a 100 year winter sports tradition, and they don't have the land to build the next Whistler. And we are all fine with that.

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Pyeongchang bid committee say "Alpensia will be hub for Asia's winter after the Olympics. But, It is impossible. They attempt to purchase the Winter Olympics with the lies. As a result, a debt of 800 million dollars was raised. This bid is not for the sports.

How many places in Asia have a newly-built ski jump, bobsleigh, skeleton and luge track, and trails for cross-country and biathlon? How many places even have just a bobsleigh track? Only Japan.

Alpensia will be a training centre for winter athletes all around Asia for ski kumping, bobsleigh, skeleton, luge, and Nordic sports. That's what they mean by being a hub for Asia's winter sports.

So when you say Alpensia is only about having 6 slopes, you are clearly trying to mislead everyone here. We are not idiots. You can't fool us.

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Asia's winter sports market is still small. Moreover, Southeast Asia, South Asia, Middle East can't enjoy the winter sport due to topography and climate. Japan has still 600 more resort. China will lead the next generation of Asia's winter. China has an additional potential and capacity. Not Korea. Korea can't afford to additional development while the small markets.

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Asia's winter sports market is still small. Moreover, Southeast Asia, South Asia, Middle East can't enjoy the winter sport due to topography and climate. Japan has still 600 more resort. China will lead the next generation of Asia's winter. China has an additional potential and capacity. Not Korea. Korea can't afford to additional development while the small markets.

So what you're saying is don't even try? Yeah, China should expand their winter sports infrastructure too. But Korea also needs them, and Korea is bidding now, and Korea is already a popular tourist destination for Asians from Southeast Asia and East Asia. Korea will be a fine winter sports hub, and a good alternate to Japan. And to be even more frank, Korea is a lot more tourist-friendly to foreigners than China is at the moment. There is no reason to stop Korea from building this infrastructure just because China is bigger. That's like saying Switzerland and Austria shouldn't have sliding tracks and ski jumps because France and Germany are bigger and they can serve everyone. It's a dumb argument.

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How many places in Asia have a newly-built ski jump, bobsleigh, skeleton and luge track, and trails for cross-country and biathlon? How many places even have just a bobsleigh track? Only Japan.

Alpensia will be a training centre for winter athletes all around Asia for ski kumping, bobsleigh, skeleton, luge, and Nordic sports. That's what they mean by being a hub for Asia's winter sports.

So when you say Alpensia is only about having 6 slopes, you are clearly trying to mislead everyone here. We are not idiots. You can't fool us.

Asia's hub means "The most popular resort in Asia", is impossible. Alpensia is not for public. It was built to target the wealthy from the beginning. 100 more luxury homes of 3 million dollar, VIP golf course and condos. 1997 Universiade jumping park was neglected. China and Japan or any Asian have no reason to come to Korea. Because, Japan and China's conditions are better than Korea.

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Asia's hub means "The most popular resort in Asia", is impossible. Alpensia is not for public. It was built to target the wealthy from the beginning. 100 more luxury homes of 3 million dollar, VIP golf course and condos. 1997 Universiade jumping park was neglected. China and Japan or any Asian have no reason to come to Korea. Because, Japan and China's conditions are better than Korea.

WOW!! A ski jump, a sliding centre for bobsleigh luge and skeleton, cross country skiing trails, VIP golf courses, luxury homes and condos ALL IN ONE PLACE?? Do they have spas and high-quality restaurants too? A year-round resort, to fit EVERYONE'S NEEDS! SOUNDS GREAT!!!

And if Asians have no reason to come to Korea, how come they already visit? If China's conditions are so much better than Korea's, how come Korea is light years ahead when it comes to the very basics of comforts, like say, cleaner air and more sit-down toilets? :o

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WOW!! A ski jump, a sliding centre for bobsleigh luge and skeleton, cross country skiing trails, VIP golf courses, luxury homes and condos ALL IN ONE PLACE?? Do they have spas and high-quality restaurants too? A year-round resort, to fit EVERYONE'S NEEDS! SOUNDS GREAT!!!

And if Asians have no reason to come to Korea, how come they already visit? If China's conditions are so much better than Korea's, how come Korea is light years ahead when it comes to the very basics of comforts, like say, cleaner air and more sit-down toilets? :o

Yeah, with debt of 800 million dollar. This is the worst situation in Olympics history.

Chinese Harbin Yabuli resort is the largest in Asia. There are no foreigners that coming to Korea for skiing in the winter. Rather, a lot of Koreans going to Japan.

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Yeah, with debt of 800 million dollar. This is the worst situation in Olympics history.

Chinese Harbin Yabuli resort is the largest in Asia. There are no foreigners that coming to Korea for skiing in the winter. Rather, a lot of Koreans going to Japan.

See what I mean when I say you're all about exaggerations and lies? Well, it only took you about 10 posts to lie again (Alpensia only being about 6 slopes and nothing else), and now here is your exaggeration.

One last message for you, Mr. King of Dramas, and I know how you love the Olympic Movement so much:

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See what I mean when I say you're all about exaggerations and lies? Well, it only took you about 10 posts to lie again (Alpensia only being about 6 slopes and nothing else), and now here is your exaggeration.

Well, Just 6 slopes are for public. And Luxury houses, golf course and Jumping park is each place. Maybe You can't use. Do you have 3 million dollar ?

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For the possibility of Pyeongchang, Korea has just 18 resorts, almost smaller size. Yongpyeong is the largest resort in Korea but, 20 times less than Whistler. Moreover, Ski resorts can't make anymore in Korea. Because, The mountain is not enough. Muju resort in Korea as the second large-scale. Nevertheless, Mountain conditions are not good. FIS wrote, “(We) cannot support the construction of new race courses on the terrain of Muju’s South-Dokyu Mountain for technical and environment reasons”.

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For the Future in Asia, Japan have 600 more ski resort and Hakuba and Zao is most famous resorts in Asia. Harbin Yabuli resort in China, biggest ski resort in Asia. China along with Japan would be two markets in Asia after 10 years.

Oh, and by the way, I want to expose another truth distortion of yours, that Japan has 600 ski resorts. I have heard that most of those "resorts" are literally a 1 lift, 200 vertical foot-drop kind of operation. An indoor skiing operation or a one-slope rope tow isn't a resort.

Even Canada has "only" about 150-200 ski resorts, and Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world with one of the lowest population densities in the world.

And according to this map, Russia, the largest country in the world and home to the 2014 Winter Games, has roughly the same amount of resorts as Korea. Maybe their resorts are bigger, I don't know.

But the point is, comparing Japan's 600 to Korea's 20 is distorting the truth. Especially since Korea, Russia, China, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and Chile all roughly have the same number of resorts. And even former Yugoslavia, home of the 1984 Olympics, doesn't even have an insane number of resorts either.

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Well, Just 6 slopes are for public. And Luxury houses, golf course and Jumping park is each place. Maybe You can't use. Do you have 3 million dollar ?

So you need $3 million to use the ski jump, bobsleigh/skeleton/luge tracks, or cross-country trails?

Stop lying. You are a fraud. I was going to ignore you, but everytime you say something really stupid and misleading, I may just make sure you don't get away with it like the weasel you are.

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So you need $3 million to use the ski jump, bobsleigh/skeleton/luge tracks, or cross-country trails?

Stop lying. You are a fraud. I was going to ignore you, but everytime you say something really stupid and misleading, I may just make sure you don't get away with it like the weasel you are.

Well, 3 million for luxury houses and golf course. I means an additional spending must stop. Alpensia for the wealthy. No ?

The focus is marketability and capacity in Korea. Not Japan. In Japan, 649 resorts as of 2009. 305 resorts according to your data. Japan has the world-class ski infrastructure. And it's possible to heli skiing.

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Well, 3 million for luxury houses and golf course. I means an additional spending must stop. Alpensia for the wealthy. No ?

The focus is marketability and capacity in Korea. Not Japan. In Japan, 649 resorts as of 2009. 305 resorts according to your data. Japan has the world-class ski infrastructure. And it's possible to heli skiing.

Sure, I guess if you include all those 1-run trails as resorts, then yeah I guess Japan does have 305 resorts. I don't see how those 1-run resorts will help serve all the future demand from Asian skiers. If Japan has 305 resorts, that means they have more than double the number of resorts of Korea, Russia, China, Argentina, Chile, Australia and New Zealand combined. I call bulls**t.

Alpensia is not for the wealthy. Alpensia is for athletes and recreation. If you want the luxury houses, of course it helps to have money. You think suites in Aspen or Cortina d'Ampezzo come cheap?

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Asia's hub means;The most popular resort in Asia", is impossible. Alpensia is not for public. It was built to target the wealthy from the beginning. 100 more luxury homes of 3 million dollar, VIP golf course and condos.

This is exactly what all the best most successful resorts do!

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Sure, I guess if you include all those 1-run trails as resorts, then yeah I guess Japan does have 305 resorts. I don't see how those 1-run resorts will help serve all the future demand from Asian skiers. If Japan has 305 resorts, that means they have more than double the number of resorts of Korea, Russia, China, Argentina, Chile, Australia and New Zealand combined. I call bulls**t.

Alpensia is not for the wealthy. Alpensia is for athletes and recreation. If you want the luxury houses, of course it helps to have money. You think suites in Aspen or Cortina d'Ampezzo come cheap?

Alpensia is not for the wealthy.

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If Korea really wanted to develop winter sport, 1.5 billion dollars should have been used for young players and practice rink rather than luxury houses and golf course.

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Asia's hub means;The most popular resort in Asia", is impossible. Alpensia is not for public. It was built to target the wealthy from the beginning. 100 more luxury homes of 3 million dollar, VIP golf course and condos.

This is exactly what all the best most successful resorts do!

He talks as if golf courses is a bad thing. He also doesn't like that Alpensia cost so much to build. Even a 10 year old knows that for a resort to be profitable, you need to attract guests year round, and not just seasonally. Would "nature" rather that Alpensia just close its doors in the summer? That would make them lose even MORE money! He should be THANKFUL there are golf courses at Alpensia. :wacko:

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