FYI Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I understand, but it's improving... It's the opposite of last Paris's bid who was the favorite and slowly went down. Ummmm, Paris' bid didn't slowly went down. You have your own Jacques Chirac to thank for that one, & his infamous bad British food behind the Finns & mad cow disease comments, 2 days before the 2012 vote that cost Paris the 2 Finnish votes & most likely another vote or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Ummmm, Paris' bid didn't slowly went down. You have your own Jacques Chirac to thank for that one, & his infamous bad British food behind the Finns & mad cow disease comments, 2 days before the 2012 vote that cost Paris the 2 Finnish votes & most likely another vote or two. There was only one Finnish vote in 2005. And you are being disingeuous to the well stated reasons London won and it had nothing to do with Paris, Chirac or stupid comments he made. London won because of Tony Blair and the fact that Sebastien Coe secured the support of the Russians and Italians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Accoring to wikipedia, there were two, but whatever, doesn't really matter, anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bids_for_the_2012_Summer_Olympics And it was mainly a tongue-in-cheek reference. And it isn't anymore or less "disingenuous" than a comment like "Paris' bid slowly went down" when the 2012 race was always widely viewed that it was going to be a final showdown between Paris & London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfale Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 PC - 60 Munich - 22 Annecy - 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memorabilia Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 PC - 48 Annecy - 28 Munich - 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 JC Killy proposes the concept alternation...why not? New horizon : PyeongChang like Socchi Big city + skiing resort : Munich like Turin or Vancouver snowy village atmosphere : Annecy like Lillehammer So, who's turn is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 PC - 60 Munich - 22 Annecy - 20 You are crazy if you think that Thomas Bach, the front-runner to replace Rogge as President of the IOC will not compand more than 22 votes. I can see at least 30 members of the IOC that through either their sport or history would support Munich. In fact, it is incredibly hard to find people that are likely to support Annecy. I honestly think out of the major IOC members, the majority of their support is behind Munich. It is the Africans and Asians that are behind Pyeongchang and few of them are powerful. If Munich is to win it will be with the same regional blocs that Vancouver had, East Asia (Japan and China) + the Americas + Europe. I just went through the membership Pyeongchange: 44 Munich: 39 Annecy: 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neige Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 In fact, it is incredibly hard to find people that are likely to support Annecy. Jacques Rogge: "Don't ask me numbers, but it's going to be a close race, definitely. I don't expect a big gap between the three cities." The first round will be a selection of the european bid for the secound round (if any). For Munich, members who think it's Germany's turn in Europe and members who follow Thomas Bach. For Annecy, members who are attracted by the "snowy village atmosphere" and members who don't want to face Paris in 2020 or 2024 (including africans who support Durban). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Jacques Rogge is always giving diplomatic, lip-service speech. So that doesn't mean much. This is coming from the same man that said when Havana was bidding for the Games that "they have as good a chance as any other candidate". Yeah, okay. And what about the members that would much prefer a Summer Olympics in the *City of Lights* than at some "snowy village". I'm sure there's more of those than ones that don't want to face-off Paris later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 JC Killy proposes the concept alternation...why not? New horizon : PyeongChang like Socchi Big city + skiing resort : Munich like Turin or Vancouver snowy village atmosphere : Annecy like Lillehammer So, who's turn is it? Asia 1998 North America 2002 Europe 2006 North America 2010 Europe 2014 Ummm, Asia's? It will not be a first round victory. Not with Fasel and Kaspar so heavily against going to Korea. What makes you say that? Especially about Fasel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsa Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Nobody can predict the vote maybe Annecy loose in the first vote, maybe PC win the first vote, maybe Annecy will be in the second vote against PC or Munich, maybe Anney or Munich can win in the first vote.... It's impossible to predict exactly. Some here have their certitudes, good for them, but seriously you aren't in the head of IOC members, you don't have contact ith IOC members... We must wait the 6 july to know who have true. Wait and see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Nobody can predict the vote maybe Annecy loose in the first vote, maybe PC win the first vote, maybe Annecy will be in the second vote against PC or Munich, maybe Anney or Munich can win in the first vote.... It's impossible to predict exactly. Some here have their certitudes, good for them, but seriously you aren't in the head of IOC members, you don't have contact ith IOC members... We must wait the 6 july to know who have true. Wait and see... We have here, Tulsa. You haven't been around here long enough but long-time posters here HAVE predicted correct votes in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsa Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 We have here, Tulsa. You haven't been around here long enough but long-time posters here HAVE predicted correct votes in the past. In fact I don't listen a man like you who have some mental disorder... It seems nobody listen you here. I don't think your speech have a sense. Nobody here is a specialist, only some fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 In fact I don't listen a man like you who have some mental disorder... It seems nobody listen you here. I don't think your speech have a sense. Nobody here is a specialist, only some fan. No kidding? Oh, u just learned some new words from your fellow Frenchie, Impure Fax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattperiolat Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Honestly, I do not know enough about the voting blocs to predict numbers of votes. I do agree with the sentiment that Annecy will make or break the first round, meaning it will either pull enough votes to force a round two or it won't. My personal feeling is Annecy just does not have the pull at the moment to force round two. My problem now is my own personal bias for Munich. I'll freely admit I want to see the WOG in Germany for a myriad of reasons and I personally do not feel Korea is "ready" for the WOG yet. That's how I feel personally, but realistically? I'd be stunned if PC does not finally grab the brass ring. So, there you have it from me: PC takes this, probably in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Honestly, I do not know enough about the voting blocs to predict numbers of votes. I do agree with the sentiment that Annecy will make or break the first round, meaning it will either pull enough votes to force a round two or it won't. My personal feeling is Annecy just does not have the pull at the moment to force round two. My problem now is my own personal bias for Munich. I'll freely admit I want to see the WOG in Germany for a myriad of reasons and I personally do not feel Korea is "ready" for the WOG yet. That's how I feel personally, but realistically? I'd be stunned if PC does not finally grab the brass ring. So, there you have it from me: PC takes this, probably in the first round. If PC loses..on its 3rd try, I think we will see recriminations and outcry in the IOC happen the way FIFA is imploding at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Asia 1998 North America 2002 Europe 2006 North America 2010 Europe 2014 Ummm, Asia's? What makes you say that? Especially about Fasel? Every indication has been that Fasel has only ever supported bids with at least a reasonable level of hockey competance. It was an embarassment to him to have to answer questions about the Italian Women's Hockey Team in Torino, and for him to vote for a country that has no women's program and a men's team that is ranked 31st is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Every indication has been that Fasel has only ever supported bids with at least a reasonable level of hockey competance. It was an embarassment to him to have to answer questions about the Italian Women's Hockey Team in Torino, and for him to vote for a country that has no women's program and a men's team that is ranked 31st is laughable. I always figured that Fasel's support for Vancouver/Canada and Sochi/Russia was a given, given their statures in hockey. But it's not like Germany is any kind of hockey powerhouse, even if they are pretty decent. I just get the sense that the hockey world wouldn't be so outraged if Fasel ever chose to vote for Korea over Germany and France. There's something to be said for promoting hockey in Asia too. If the IIHF was so concerned about embarrassment, there would even be an argument to scrap women's hockey as an Olympic sport for now, since Canada and the US have no competition and 15-0 blowouts are pretty common. But women's hockey is there to grow to sport, for the better. The same way women's hockey is a good thing, the IIHF may see this as an opportunity to grow the sport, regardless of the potential of embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsa Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Honestly, I do not know enough about the voting blocs to predict numbers of votes. I do agree with the sentiment that Annecy will make or break the first round, meaning it will either pull enough votes to force a round two or it won't. My personal feeling is Annecy just does not have the pull at the moment to force round two. My problem now is my own personal bias for Munich. I'll freely admit I want to see the WOG in Germany for a myriad of reasons and I personally do not feel Korea is "ready" for the WOG yet. That's how I feel personally, but realistically? I'd be stunned if PC does not finally grab the brass ring. So, there you have it from me: PC takes this, probably in the first round. I don't think IOC members would like to go to Korea... Isn't very sexy bid and there are there lot of lack, no atmosphere and no prestigious venues... I think the PC lack is weather condition and more the lack of prestige... Europe purpose 2 strong bid, one very classic (Munich), the second more original and more sexy (Annecy). If IOC don't want have risk they should choose Europe. I'm agree with you, it's too soon to go to Korea, and I ask me if one day WoG will go to Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 ‘Why now? Because challenges never wait. If we want to secure a strong future for the Olympic Movement - we have to respond to these challenges now.' ‘When you choose the Olympic host city, it is about more than just geography. It is a choice about the kind of Olympic experience the athletes of the future should have. In Munich in 2018, every Olympian and Paralympian will have just what they deserve: the single greatest experience of their lives. Because the atmosphere will be everything they have ever dreamed of.' ‘We are not just promising full stadia, we guarantee full stadia.' by Munich 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 I don't think IOC members would like to go to Korea... Isn't very sexy bid and there are there lot of lack, no atmosphere and no prestigious venues... I think the PC lack is weather condition and more the lack of prestige... Europe purpose 2 strong bid, one very classic (Munich), the second more original and more sexy (Annecy). If IOC don't want have risk they should choose Europe. I'm agree with you, it's too soon to go to Korea, and I ask me if one day WoG will go to Korea. Kinda stupid argument as always. They HAD a SUCCESSFUL SUMMER OLYMPICS in Korea 23 years ago!! Albertville was JUST 19 years ago. WHy should they go to the same LOCALES again? DUH!! What kind of a stupid legacy is that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 ‘Why now? Because challenges never wait. If we want to secure a strong future for the Olympic Movement - we have to respond to these challenges now.' Sounds like a threat. ‘When you choose the Olympic host city, it is about more than just geography. It is a choice about the kind of Olympic experience the athletes of the future should have. In Munich in 2018, every Olympian and Paralympian will have just what they deserve: the single greatest experience of their lives. Because the atmosphere will be everything they have ever dreamed of.' ‘We are not just promising full stadia, we guarantee full stadia.' by Munich 2018. Arrogant. Sounds like a low blow at your rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nature Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Kinda stupid argument as always. They HAD a SUCCESSFUL SUMMER OLYMPICS in Korea 23 years ago!! Albertville was JUST 19 years ago. WHy should they go to the same LOCALES again? DUH!! What kind of a stupid legacy is that?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVDz3XfBQa8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVDz3XfBQa8 Yeah, that's 1988 Korea. A generally successful Olympics, still with some growing up to do. That would never happen today. At most maybe another silly embassy-bomb threat from an individual lunatic netizen, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 I always figured that Fasel's support for Vancouver/Canada and Sochi/Russia was a given, given their statures in hockey. But it's not like Germany is any kind of hockey powerhouse, even if they are pretty decent. I just get the sense that the hockey world wouldn't be so outraged if Fasel ever chose to vote for Korea over Germany and France. There's something to be said for promoting hockey in Asia too. If the IIHF was so concerned about embarrassment, there would even be an argument to scrap women's hockey as an Olympic sport for now, since Canada and the US have no competition and 15-0 blowouts are pretty common. But women's hockey is there to grow to sport, for the better. The same way women's hockey is a good thing, the IIHF may see this as an opportunity to grow the sport, regardless of the potential of embarrassment. According to a few on this forum, the IFs have always been against going to Korea with the exception of the ISU. And you cannot use 'for the good of the game' argument. The Winter Olympics have been to Japan twice, most resently in 1998 and Japan has regressed considerably since 1998 with Denmark, Norway, Slovakia, Switzerland and Germany continuing to grow and expand. The IIHF is concerned about one thing and one thing only at the moment and that is growing the base in countries that are making the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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