stir.ts Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 You can have kimchi and watch the ceremonies in the mountains from the new ski jump stadium...not by the cold lake or flat city.
nature Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Posted June 20, 2011 Germany has been no Winter Games for 80 years with 82 million people.
stir.ts Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Don't fear Korea, we are a friendly people, and will allow others to medal at Pyeongchang.
stir.ts Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 We're all Korean now and we want to ski! Our hills (mountains) are alive with the sound of shushing! We like Starbucks and gold, and no one can stop our new codo construction, so damn you Harbin your like so f-ing far...how the hell will I ever get there...and can I even get porn there....I mean come on people!?
Tulsa Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Sorry but Korea can't have the honors to host WOG, Korea don't have the level. An interesting article about Korea : Asia TImes " Page 1 of 2 PyeongChang: Melted dreams By James Card PYEONGCHANG - I've been visiting PyeongChang county in south central Gangwon province for the past eight years. I sometimes go in the winter but not for the skiing. I quit skiing in South Korea a year ago, frustrated with the mediocre slopes and poor quality snow. I come to the region for a few trout streams that tend to fish well during the dry, semi-snowless winter months. Yes, semi-snowless could be an adjective to describe the countryside of PyeongChang county. Most sorely lacking is snow, and snow is needed to make a mountain town that people want to visit. South Korean winters are dry and precipitation is scarce. Snow comes in spurts and there are a few good dumpings a year and then the white stuff quickly melts off. I was fly-fishing a stream in the PyeongChang region this winter. I wore a light shirt in the afternoon and mayflies hatched from the water. The ground was barren, brown and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) inspection team was arriving the upcoming weekend. The only snow to be seen held tight on the upper reaches of north-facing mountain peaks. It was one of the warmest winters on record. There are some regional snow festivals in Korea (in Taebaaek and Naejangsan) and because of the lack of regular snowfall, festival activities often risk being canceled. There is one account of organizers resorting to rituals offering cow heads as a sacrifice for snow from the sky. Now and then there is a heavy snowfall, which usually put roadways into total chaos, and just before the IOC team arrived in PyeongChang last February, they luckily got the snow they prayed for. If the IOC team had arrived a week earlier, they would have laughed and returned to the plane. In winter sports, snow quality is everything and the PyeongChang area ski resorts and all Korean ski resorts for that matter, must rely on snow machines to effectively cover the ski slopes. Nobody gets on an airplane to ski man-made snow, but there is one exception: Southeast Asians who have never seen snow before and don't know the difference between good powder and man-made ice slicks. Part of PyeongChang's promotional theme was of spreading winter sports throughout Asia and the only way they can attract foreign skiers is to market to the clueless beginners that live in the tropics. That is a crafty idea, but ski resorts are not created equal and skiers and snow-seekers will find the resorts with the best snow. A case study for PyeongChang could be in nearby Japan. On Hokkaido, the ski area of Niseko is booming with Australians who fly up to ski world-class powder that averages 12.7 meters a year. Japan is closer for them and it saves them the dateline jet lag when flying to the ski resorts of the American Rockies or the Alps. With Australian skiers driving the market, local entrepreneurs advertise and cater in the English language. Three main resorts are interconnected with a shared lift ticket and back-country skiing abounds in waist-deep powder. Pizza joints, bakeries and cozy bars cater to the foreign skiers and it's a happening place. Contrast that with PyeongChang and its two ski resorts. Although Phoenix Park and Yongpyong have slopes that are authorized by the International Ski Federation, they are short runs and over before you know it and they are usually misrepresented. Black diamonds (expert) are actually blues (novice) and blues are actually greens (beginner). The snow is almost entirely man-made. There are no back-country, off-trail zones and the runs are blocked off in a way that it is tough to find a place to take a mid-slope pee in the woods. The lift lines are long and the slopes are severely overcrowded. You have to ask, if serious skiers do not fly here to go skiing, why should anyone else, including Olympic athletes? Of the foreign skiers that arrive here, most are English teachers or American soldiers who ski a few times a year just to get out of the house. Once a year the diplomatic community is rounded up for the "Foreigners International Ski Festival". They are fed with booze and sent off skiing for the day. The Korean media capitalize on this weekend for photo ops of foreign skiers to use in brochures and promotional material to portray this place as a vibrant international scene, which of course it is not. Vancouver-Whistler won the right to host the 2010 Winter Olympics beating, out PyeongChang because it has everything that PyeongChang doesn't. Whistler has been rated as the top ski resort in the world by ski media around the globe. The top ranking is consistent: year after year when ski magazines and media rate the best ski towns and resorts, Whistler is on the list, if not at the top of it. Men's Journal ranked Whistler as "the model" mountain town. One of the hallmarks of a great mountain town is an apres-ski scene and the surrounding amenities of good restaurants, bars and entertainment. At PyeongChang's two resorts the apres-ski scene involves a K-pop discotheque, karaoke sing-a-longs and poorly rendered versions of overpriced Western cuisine. The architecture and ambience is as if Joseph Stalin designed the resort with a Hello Kitty motif. So you drive back into the actual town of PyeongChang, a few miles away from the ski area. It is a nondescript country burg; a crossroad intersection forms the downtown. What is most stunning is the lack of any cosmopolitan feel, or even a sense of style or identity and except for the "Yes! PyeongChang," signs, one could be transported to any other small Korean town and not know the difference. There is a complete absence of any rustic mountain town charm. Your only options for accommodation are a few love hotels. Your options for dining are standard Korean fare (including dog soup, always a controversy when Korea hosts a large sporting event), Koreanized Chinese food and a take-out chicken joint. Your options for drinks are three brands of watery lagers, or soju- a cheap liquor that is used to get drunk fast. Entertainment is nil other than basement karaoke rooms hosted by feel-up girls. Once you wake up with a soju-hangover, a good cup of coffee is impossible to find, along with breakfast. South Korea isn't a breakfast culture and hunting down any restaurant open at seven in the morning is a gruesome task. In many ways these small details are linked to South Korea's massive tourism deficit, with huge numbers of Koreans traveling overseas and few foreign visitors coming into the country. With flagging inbound tourists, South Korea now is focusing on "forced Page 2 of 2 PyeongChang: Melted dreams By James Card tourism", that is, making people visit the country because they have to through sporting events, conventions or conferences; not because visitors are coming on their own initiative. I think of Vail, Aspen and Breckinridge in the Colorado Rocky Mountains where one can find restaurants offering French, Italian, Thai, Jamaican and every other ethnic food that can be washed down by hundreds of different beers or wines. I think of the estimated 5,000 athletes and coaches and thousands more staffers, spectators, general tourists, journalists and thousands of Korean spectators that would pour into the PyeongChang area if the Games were held here. Many of them would stay and eat at the two nearby resorts, and also Alpensia, a mega-ski resort/Olympic village under construction (but now possibly on the skids since the bid is lost). Once those rooms are booked out, the spectators and others would end up in PyeongChang proper at the love hotels. The rest would be roaming the countryside looking for guest-stay rooms at dilapidated farmhouses called "min-baks." Much of the hype PyeongChang put forth was that it is a world-class winter sports "mecca". Nothing could be further from the truth. Take a look at cross-country skiing options: Yongpyong Resort has a 7.5-kilometer (4.6 mile) course in the mountains and Phoenix Park opens a cross-country course on its golf course, which is usually devoid of snow. That's it. By random comparison, there is a single network of trails in Colorado alone which is 434.5 kilometers long. Many other snow-blessed countries have hundreds of miles of ski trails. Although Korea excels in short-track speed skating, other winter sports are nearly non-existent. Telemark and cross-country skiing is rare, snowshoe trekking is unheard of, and biathlon is only performed by the government-sponsored team since rifle ownership is restricted. The only snowmobiles around are ones used by the ski patrols at the resorts and you can pay a few dollars to let them take you for a joy ride. There is one ski jump in the country, at Muju, the largest ski resort in the country located a few hours south. It stands creaking and unused. Dogsled racing is nonexistent except for one entrepreneur who lashes together a few mutts and charges little kids for rides at festivals. There are ice hockey teams in Korea, but the sport languishes in obscurity. There is an ice-fishing festival at Hwacheon, but it is fake because the trout are stocked in a netted area and unable to survive through the year. It is even rare to see kids tobogganing and sledding on hillsides. Korean children go sledding, but at commercialized pay-to-enter hills that are totalitarian in nature. The kids are not free to run around and sled on their own. They obediently line up with plastic sleds at the top of the hill at numbered gates and wait for the whistle of a lifeguard-type fellow before cruising down the slope. Winning the hosting of the Winter Olympics is forced investment in winter sports in which currently Korea has no interest and zero experience. Reluctant to invest in a bobsled track, there will never be a bobsled track in Korea unless the Olympics come to town. If the Olympics were won, Korean engineers would visit the bobsled tracks of other countries "benchmarking" (a popular euphemism in corporate Korea for copying another's ideas) how one goes about building a bobsled track. In the end, South Korea would get facilities to train its winter sports athletes that it would not otherwise build for them. One of the many reasons Sochi and Vancouver took the bids is because Russia and Canada have a long medal-winning history in many of the winter sports. It was often mentioned in the Korean media that an IOC report indicated that PyeongChang had the support of 96% of its residents while Sochi had the support of 78% and Salzburg residents were at 46%. The secret to the high number is that PyeongChang residents have nothing to lose and much to gain. It is in the least developed and poorest of the provinces. There are promises of jobs, at least for a few years, of building new roads and train rails, along with the Olympic facilities and stadiums. Real estate speculation in the area increased with rumors of a win. The Olympic spirit was often cited in the press and PyeongChang residents gathered en masse to welcome the IOC inspection team with cheering and flag waving. The Olympic spirit of South Koreans was most on display during the 2002 Winter Olympics when short-track speed skater Kim Dong-sung was disqualified for a gold medal for blocking (cross-tracking) American skater Apolo Anton Ohno. The South Korean Olympic team threatened to boycott the closing ceremony, boycott Athens in 2004, and sue the chief referee, despite the foul being obvious on film. A wave of anti-Americanism and conspiracy theories swept over Korea. Ohno received thousands of threatening emails and Korean "netizens" crashed the US Olympic Committee server. A year later, when Korea hosted a World Cup skating event, the US team had to withdraw because the hate mail and death threats continued. Besides the Olympic spirit, another kind of spirit was promoted for PyeongChang to host the Winter Olympics. It was the spirit of peace and harmony, that of peace on the Korean Peninsula. The bid presenters worked on the theme that if the Winter Olympics were held in PyeongChang, it would somehow create better relations between the North and South. There was no explanation of exactly how or why that would happen or why it is pertinent to the rest of the world. Yet through a huge amount of aid, South Korea continues to keep one of the world's worst tyrants in power. North Korean defectors continue to be turned away; South Korea abstained five times on United Nations North Korean human-rights resolution votes and uses the Gaeseong factory in North Korea as a source of cheap labor for South Korean manufacturers under the guise of progression towards peace. South Korea fantasizes about the ultimate sport events trifecta: Korea could become the sixth country in the world to host all the three major sports events – football's World Cup and the Summer and Winter Olympics. The prestige factor is heavy and in the eyes of Koreans, this will be another indicator that they finally made it to the big leagues. But North Korea is always a bit jealous of southern success. In 1987, North Korean terrorists planted a bomb on Korean Air flight 858, killing all 115 on board. The goal was to thwart the upcoming 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul. During the 2002 World Cup, a North Korean gunboat ambushed a South Korea ship. The battle ended with six South sailors dead and 18 wounded. Not a good track record for hosting the Big Three. Fanciful ambitions can get in the way of tough realities. Just before the announcement of the 2010 bid results, the Korea Times prematurely published an article online stating PyeongChang had won. "PyeongChang works a miracle in Prague" read the headline, and in a manufactured quote: "It's a miracle. This is a miracle of PyeongChang. We defeated the two cities that are famous for their winter sports programs," said Kim Jin-sun, in a fictional, futuristic way. Like the premature and fraudulent Korea Times article, PyeongChang's bid was based on hopefulness and snowflake whitewash and not on hard facts or the self-introspection of what it takes to be a mountain town worthy of world-class recognition. " Definitively Korea can't host WOG and PC won't win the july 6
stir.ts Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Don't be afraid! Korea will win but DON"T BE AFRAID! p.s. I don't think the guy above likes Kimchi NE PAS PEUR PC 2018, vous êtes français vous terreur terreur du monde extérieur, mais vous serez les bienvenus dans votre PC.
Gangwon Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 So pick out an argument from that article that we haven't already dealt with. And unless it's something new, I will send you the link to our past conversations regarding that issue. Don't be afraid! Korea will win but DON"T BE AFRAID! p.s. I don't think the guy above likes Kimchi NE PAS PEUR PC 2018, vous êtes français vous terreur terreur du monde extérieur, mais vous serez les bienvenus dans votre PC. LOL I like your approach better! I don't have time for this crap again.
stir.ts Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Les Français ont tant de belles montagnes (et un petit lac appelé trouble Aneccy), mais la Corée va voler l'honneur formulaire vous cette fois-ci, et bien vous allez pleurer de nombreuses nuits maintenant vous allez chanter à nouveau à Paris un jour. adieu Annecy
Tulsa Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Les Français ont tant de belles montagnes (et un petit lac appelé trouble Aneccy), mais la Corée va voler l'honneur formulaire vous cette fois-ci, et bien vous allez pleurer de nombreuses nuits maintenant vous allez chanter à nouveau à Paris un jour. adieu Annecy ok toi t'es un bon gros débile... sérieux tu crois que PC peut gagner? lol Fait moi marrer, vous avez pas encore compris que vous ne gagnerez jamais... Non mais sérieux regardez vos stations elles font tiep... La corée c'est le tiers monde des sports d'hivers... Y a que quelque vieux croutons aux CIO qui croient au succès de la corée... La seule chance pour vous de gagner c'est de réussir à mentir au CIO ou d'acheter des voix...
Gangwon Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 ok toi t'es un bon gros débile... sérieux tu crois que PC peut gagner? lol Fait moi marrer, vous avez pas encore compris que vous ne gagnerez jamais... Non mais sérieux regardez vos stations elles font tiep... La corée c'est le tiers monde des sports d'hivers... Y a que quelque vieux croutons aux CIO qui croient au succès de la corée... La seule chance pour vous de gagner c'est de réussir à mentir au CIO ou d'acheter des voix... Je voudrais acheter ta bouche.
nature Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Posted June 20, 2011 Les Français ont tant de belles montagnes (et un petit lac appelé trouble Aneccy), mais la Corée va voler l'honneur formulaire vous cette fois-ci, et bien vous allez pleurer de nombreuses nuits maintenant vous allez chanter à nouveau à Paris un jour. adieu Annecy Your double standard, Your French, You considering France's financial and other issues, So. rejected Annecy bid. But, Your not considering Pyeongchang's financial and environmental problems at all.
Gangwon Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Yeah listen to us!! Pyeongchang can't host!! They have no mountains, no snow, no tradition, no money, no fans, no restaurants, no athletes, no clouds... nothing!! Don't vote Pyeongchang! It will be a catastrophe, the worst chapter in Olympic history! Just to make sure, I will remind you again tonight, and again tomorrow, and the next day, and just in case.... I will tell you again after that. PLEASE DON'T VOTE PYEONGCHANG!! Oh, how come no one ever thinks of the athletes?? OH.. and those mountains and snow in my photo.. that's not Pyeongchang! It's 30 minutes away from Pyeongchang.. don't be fooled!!
Tulsa Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 You should accept the true... PC and Korea can't host WOG... You could win but I'm afraid for you because the world will know the worst WoG and the advertising to winter activity in Korea will be worst than if you don't host WoG... Imagine 2018, without snow, without supporter and with athletes who critics PC venue... It will be a disaster to Korea image and moreover for your winter industry...
stir.ts Posted June 20, 2011 Report Posted June 20, 2011 Why are all the boats in Lake Annecy so small and old? Annecy can not afford the Olympic, France is broke, and we need money to house our small boats during the winter season! We're French and it's the governments fault that this has not been accomplished in the past, but NO MORE! Our small boats will not sacrifice another winter in the name of the IOC!
Andrew8 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 You should accept the true... PC and Korea can't host WOG... You could win but I'm afraid for you because the world will know the worst WoG and the advertising to winter activity in Korea will be worst than if you don't host WoG... Imagine 2018, without snow, without supporter and with athletes who critics PC venue... It will be a disaster to Korea image and moreover for your winter industry... who do you think you are to judge a place and country in this way? Have you even been to Korea? have you even been on the slopes here? If this is the type of supporters there are for Annency 2018, then I really hope your city does not win because an arrogant supporter, like yourself, does not deserve to host the Olympics, which is to promote goodwill, rather than putting down another country for which you have no right to judge.
Sir Rols Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 If this is the type of supporters there are for Annency 2018, then I really hope your city does not win because an arrogant supporter, like yourself, does not deserve to host the Olympics, which is to promote goodwill, rather than putting down another country for which you have no right to judge. Hear, hear! Well put, Andrew!
nature Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Posted June 22, 2011 who do you think you are to judge a place and country in this way? Have you even been to Korea? have you even been on the slopes here? Well, Korea's winter is short, snow is not enough. All ski resorts are relying solely on artificial snow. Moreover, almost ertical drop less than 300m and slope is very short. I suggest that you go to Yamagata-Zao or any place in Japan. No artificial snow.
baron-pierreIV Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 Well, Korea's winter is short, snow is not enough. All ski resorts are relying solely on artificial snow. Moreover, almost ertical drop less than 300m and slope is very short. I suggest that you go to Yamagata-Zao or any place in Japan. No artificial snow. NO ONE CARES about your STUPID arguments, Nutzo!!
nature Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Posted June 22, 2011 NO ONE CARES So? Truth is Truth. Japan's ski resorts doesn't use any artificial snow at all. Yamagata Zao Snow Monster. Hakuba
nature Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Posted June 22, 2011 It is not desirable that promote Pyeongchang with all sorts of flattery. is not pure. Asia's potential population for winter sport is Fantasy Number. Snow is absent in Middle East, Southeast Asia, South Asia. (Except orthern India and Pakistan, Iran) Dream Program is false. In Korea, Snow is absent in some cities (Busan, Ulsan, etc). And, there are many deprived youth. Moreover, Korea's winter sport base is very poor. Nevertheless, Korea youth does not participate in Dream Program. Who is the first between Korea youth and foreign youth? This is just a show for Olympics bid. Not pure. It is a case of putting the cart before the horse.
Sir Rols Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 It is not desirable that promote Pyeongchang with all sorts of flattery. is not pure. Asia's potential population for winter sport is Fantasy Number. Snow is absent in Middle East, Southeast Asia, South Asia. (Except orthern India and Pakistan, Iran) Dream Program is false. In Korea, Snow is absent in some cities (Busan, Ulsan, etc). And, there are many deprived youth. Moreover, Korea's winter sport base is very poor. Nevertheless, Korea youth does not participate in Dream Program. Who is the first between Korea youth and foreign youth? This is just a show for Olympics bid. Not pure. It is a case of putting the cart before the horse. Nature is false. In nature, logic is absent in brain lobes (frontal, cerebral cortex etc). And, there are many depraved thoughts. Nature's winter sports knowledge is very poor. Nevertheless, nature does not participate in dreams for advancement of Korea. Who is the fool between Korean youth and foreign youth? This is just spam for Olympic bid. Not pure. It is a case of putting the idiot before the computer screen.
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