Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just now, baron-pierreIV said: It's just icing on the cake; just as the IOC awarded Winter 1976 as a Bicentennial gift, so to speak. Last time I checked, the IOC and FIFA had nothing in common... Just saying that Canada and the USA will have the strongest bids. That's all. Also, FIFA's mandate of growing the game makes it a closer race then most people think as the USA are attempting to host twice in a row for their confederation, which has never happened in the history of FIFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ansem said: And where did that "special staff" for the 1994 World Cup came from? An "imaginary" MLS that didn't exist??? If the US can organize a World Cup, hell even Qatar, so can Canada who just wrap up the 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup who broke the record in attendance. Most would agree our "staff" was "adequate" Uhmm, the core of the "special staff" for WC 1994 actually came the LAOOC 1984 ranks. Duh. So what with all the events that you keep mentioning. So, Canada's the only one that has staged major sporting events? I won't even bother listing the major events hosted by the US since WC 1994, Atlanta 1996, etc., etc. You know what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just now, baron-pierreIV said: Uhmm, the core of the "special staff" for WC 1994 actually came the LAOOC 1984 ranks. Duh. So what with all the events that you keep mentioning. So, Canada's the only one that has staged major sporting events? I won't even bother listing the major events hosted by the US since WC 1994, Atlanta 1996, etc., etc. You know what they are. You're hard to follow, first you say that you need the domestic league staff (your MLS example) to pull of organizing the World Cup. Then I point out that the USA did organized the World Cup in 1994 without having a domestic league prior to the tournament, and now you're saying they used the LA games staff... Ok... Again, Canada just wrapped up the 2010 Winter Games, 2015 Pan Am games and running at the same time the 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup which shattered the attendance record, in the last 5 years. At least I know what the US organized in terms of international sporting events and I never presumed that the USA bid would be poor, you're the one who can't resist the urge of making yourself look good by bashing/mocking other countries and attacking their credibility without even fact checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just now, Ansem said: Last time I checked, the IOC and FIFA had nothing in common... Uhmmm... the IOC allows something called soccer to be played in its Games? Both are top-heavy organizations situated in Switzerland 226.5km apart -- FIFA in Zurich and the IOC in Lausanne, FYI. Until he was disgraced or had to retire due to age, Blatter was also concurrently an IOC member. Uhmmm, Coca-Cola is a major sponsor of both. You were saying . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: Uhmmm... the IOC allows something called soccer to be played in its Games? Both are top-heavy organizations situated in Switzerland 226.5km apart -- FIFA in Zurich and the IOC in Lausanne, FYI. Until he was disgraced or had to retire due to age, Blatter was also concurrently an IOC member. Uhmmm, Coca-Cola is a major sponsor of both. You were saying . . . Innsbruck 1976 and your "200 year gift" (if it's true) example was 40 years ago, yet you say that the examples that I'm using are too old... Now you're arguing just for the sake of arguing If you want to play on IOC and FIFA similarities, sure... Remember how fast the summer games of Chicago 2016 was thrown out and the World Cup of 2022 was given to Qatar instead of the USA???? Yet you claim FIFA will have some kind of "sentimental" clause over the 250th USA anniversary...History dictates that there's no such thing and that the USA gets no favors in regards to international sporting events...unless they bribe officials like for the 2002 Salt Lake City Games...Coincidently the last time the US hosted games...Never too late to bribe for 2026, in that regard, Canada is guaranteed to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ansem said: You're hard to follow, first you say that you need the domestic league staff (your MLS example) to pull of organizing the World Cup. Then I point out that the USA did organized the World Cup in 1994 without having a domestic league prior to the tournament, and now you're saying they used the LA games staff... Ok... 3 Quote What I'm saying there is that the US has a major org like MLS, pertinent to the particular sport in question -- and, say by the time, 2026 might come about, there is a large pool of talent from the various MLS team staffs who might want to take on positions not only on the Org Committee but perhaps be venue managers. The pool is already there, large enough for the plucking. Quote At least I know what the US organized in terms of international sporting events and I never presumed that the USA bid would be poor, you're the one who can't resist the urge of making yourself look good by bashing/mocking other countries and attacking their credibility without even fact checking. I think between a Goliath and a David, and considering the black eye they're getting from their picking a pipsqueak nation like Qatar (a minnow in terms of its sports ranking), conventional wisdom would say they would head for safer waters this time -- considering they're even thinking of enlarging the event to what, by 33% more -- and ALL THAT entails, given a choice between a large bidder with tons of everything and a much smaller candidate which,as you said, will have to build probably, half a dozen new stadia, to fulfill the new needs of an expanded event. Quote Again, Canada just wrapped up the 2010 Winter Games, 2015 Pan Am games and running at the same time the 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup which shattered the attendance record, in the last 5 years. As you said, I'm not saying you don't have that. But since the WC is a one-sport-specific event (and NOT a multi-event thing like some of what you have listed,, the Org Committees tend to pick people with soccer-specific experience on their resume vs. those with just general Big Event expr. Becase if you want to go down that path, you can also include the NFL manpower (you forget that American football is after all, descended from soccer) and there is the annual Big Event, the SuperBowl. Having worked in 2 Olympics, I know what I speak of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Ansem said: ..History dictates that there's no such thing and that the USA gets no favors in regards to international sporting events...unless they bribe officials like for the 2002 Salt Lake City Games...Coincidently the last time the US hosted games...Never too late to bribe for 2026, in that regard, Canada is guaranteed to lose. Nope; never happened. The Justice Dept dismissed the charges. Look it up. You must work for the Canadian-Trump campaign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 22 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: What I'm saying there is that the US has a major org like MLS, pertinent to the particular sport in question -- and, say by the time, 2026 might come about, there is a large pool of talent from the various MLS team staffs who might want to take on positions not only on the Org Committee but perhaps be venue managers. The pool is already there, large enough for the plucking. I see what you're saying but I think you're reading way too much MLS team staff wanting to volunteer. MLS team have property management firms or in house employees to manage venues, the soccer people don't take care of property management issues on top of team operations. Again, the existing stadiums are managed by people on behalf of MLS, CFL clubs... So again, I don't know why you're dwelling on this point as that won't remotely be a deciding factor on who gets the tournament. I can understand that you might not know Canada as well as you think you do, but logistically and property management wise, were on par with the US 23 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: think between a Goliath and a David, and considering the black eye they're getting from their picking a pipsqueak nation like Qatar (a minnow in terms of its sports ranking), conventional wisdom would say they would head for safer waters this time -- considering they're even thinking of enlarging the event to what, by 33% more -- and ALL THAT entails, given a choice between a large bidder with tons of everything and a much smaller candidate which,as you said, will have to build probably, half a dozen new stadia, to fulfill the new needs of an expanded event. Oh I agree about the black eye on FIFA over choosing Qatar. Mind you we still don't know the specific of the bid requirements yet so we should be judging the bids once they're out. Dismissing a country ability to host from the get go isn't how it works, certainly not for FIFA. The only thing they care about is who has the best bid not telling themselves that they can't have allow a nation to built stadiums because they just grown a conscience (which I assure you they dont) It's Canada's burden to demonstrate that they can do it. Until they fail, it's a bit condescending using old stereotypes and childish jab to make fun of another nation ability to organize world class events. It gets really really old, for the rest of us outside the states anyways. I was going to reply your third point but won't even bother as I'd be repeating myself. And yes 2002 officials were bribed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ansem said: And yes 2002 officials were bribed. Bribery happens or happened a lot more in the bidding/sports scene -- so it was the way of doing business all around. So, I don't know why you would single out 2002. But technically, the 2 guys were acquitted. So how can they be guilty of something they were acquitted for? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/06/sports/olympics-acquittals-end-bid-scandal-that-dogged-winter-games.html You're just being nitpicky and a prick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ansem said: I see what you're saying but I think you're reading way too much MLS team staff wanting to volunteer. Again, you get it wrong. I don't think they would "volunteer." They would be paid staffers - for which the level of commitment expected is different from those being "volunteers." You're NOT reading enough into how existing personnel infrastructure would make it so much easier for the Org. Committee that follows. Look at what Durban is undergoing now in their build-up to CWG 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: Again, you get it wrong. I don't think they would "volunteer." They would be paid staffers - for which the level of commitment expected is different from those being "volunteers." You're NOT reading enough into how existing personnel infrastructure would make it so much easier for the Org. Committee that follows. Look at what Durban is undergoing now in their build-up to CWG 2022. Again... that won't be the deciding factor of the bidding process...sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: Bribery happens or happened a lot more in the bidding/sports scene -- so it was the way of doing business all around. So, I don't know why you would single out 2002. But technically, the 2 guys were acquitted. So how can they be guilty of something they were acquitted for? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/06/sports/olympics-acquittals-end-bid-scandal-that-dogged-winter-games.html You're just being nitpicky and a prick. Not disputing the acquittal...but people resigned and we're expel from the IOC But there was no bribes...officially. Calling me a price is very immature and borderline insecure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Prick * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Ansem said: Again... that won't be the deciding factor of the bidding process...sigh No, it won't. But for those who will make sound, competent choices, that would part of their overall decision-making process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ansem said: Calling me a price is very immature and borderline insecure. I never called you a "price." And woo-woo, you're now an online psychoanalyst?? Can I please see your license? Or are practicing WITHOUT a license? LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: I never called you a "price." And woo-woo, you're now an online psychoanalyst?? Can I please see your license? Or are practicing WITHOUT a license? LOL!! How old are you? 12? Grow up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, Ansem said: How old are you? 12? Grow up A 12-year old couldn't spell "psychoanalyst." Grow down, Ansem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Sorry Baron, but you sound like an idiot lol (no offence). You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of sports. Yes the USA is the overwhelming favourite, but the facts for Canada cannot not be brushed of either. JSYK soccer (not hockey) is the number one sport in terms of participation in Canada... Canada has hosted 4 FIFA tournaments since 1994... I think the expertise in the workforce is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, intoronto said: Sorry Baron, but you sound like an idiot lol (no offence). You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of sports. Yes the USA is the overwhelming favourite, but the facts for Canada cannot not be brushed of either. JSYK soccer (not hockey) is the number one sport in terms of participation in Canada... Canada has hosted 4 FIFA tournaments since 1994... I think the expertise in the workforce is there. And even w/o seeing you, you do strike me as a moron. Go f*ck yourself!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: And even w/o seeing you, you do strike me as a moron. Go f*ck yourself!! Real mature kid... you're past your bedtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ansem said: Real mature kid... you're past your bedtime. Jeez, how dazzlingly original; how boringly corny. Edited October 18, 2016 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said: Jeez, how dazzlingly original; how boringly corny. It's true. You're both used to someone being able to counter your arguments with facts...so you go to name calling... That's very weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) The problem for Canada is not its workforce but its stadiums. Is there really appetite in Canada for spending $2+ billion CDN in public money on football stadiums? And if so, how will Canada handle the legacy issue? Edited October 18, 2016 by Nacre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatinXTC Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Well, I don't what lovers spat I walked into and I don't care. I certainly don't doubt the Canada's ability to host a successful WC games, but I am doubting the public's interest in doing so. Sure Canada just hosted the women's WC and the Pan Am games last year, but both events are miniscule in size compared to a men's WC. Most of the stadiums used in last year's WC would not make the cut for minimum requirements that stadiums in a men's WC have. I just cannot see the public supporting major stadium renovations or even building brand new stadiums that the public wouldn't want and wouldn't need after their games. Their CFL league doesn't have the fan base to motivate the public to finding the need for new and/or more improved stadiums. Canada doesn't even run an adequate soccer league they have 5 city teams playing for the US run MLS and NASL. They could maybe entice FIFA into giving them the games by promising to create a real national league, much like the US did for their 1994 games but I don't think those Canadian teams from the MLS would want to leave that league. Also there is a chance that Canada may not even put forth a bid for the games. Toronto backed out of the 2024 Olympic bid race and Edmonton dropped out of consideration for the 2022 Commonwealth Games. Both cities said it's not worth the financial burden. Canadians have always been smarter than the US about their government spending so I can't see them putting in a bid unless they have a massive public support for it, which they won't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ansem said: That's very weak As are your arguments. Also, name calling? Pot calling kettle black. Edited October 18, 2016 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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