binary Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Not happening. The current government refuses to fund any sports stadiums/arenas. What about the local government? Quote
Quaker2001 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Right before the IOC session. I wonder if the USA wins 2026, what will the IOC will do? Depends what their other options are. The United States could easily host both events. They probably wouldn't even have to do what Canada did and exclude Toronto from the Women's World Cup. They'll cross that bridge when they get there. In the event that the United States gets the 2026 World Cup and either Denver or Reno/Tahoe or whoever is in the running for the Olympics, it could affect the voting. Tough to tell this early on though. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Right before the IOC session. I wonder if the USA wins 2026, what will the IOC will do? Well, it could be like 1994 / 1996. Atlanta's bid was NOT impacted by the WC bid because Atlanta was NOT included in the WC pkge. If there's a problem with Boston, then shift hosting of 2024 to Atlanta!! They will have a few new stadia too!! Quote
ofan Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Depends what their other options are. The United States could easily host both events. They probably wouldn't even have to do what Canada did and exclude Toronto from the Women's World Cup. They'll cross that bridge when they get there. In the event that the United States gets the 2026 World Cup and either Denver or Reno/Tahoe or whoever is in the running for the Olympics, it could affect the voting. Tough to tell this early on though. Toronto was excluded because the Pan Am Opening Ceremony is the friday following the final of the Women's World Cup. Plus some events begin the next day on Monday. A 2026 WC/WOG would have a large gap of months in between, so it probably wouldn't make much of a difference. Quote
intoronto Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Depends what their other options are. The United States could easily host both events. They probably wouldn't even have to do what Canada did and exclude Toronto from the Women's World Cup. They'll cross that bridge when they get there. In the event that the United States gets the 2026 World Cup and either Denver or Reno/Tahoe or whoever is in the running for the Olympics, it could affect the voting. Tough to tell this early on though. Toronto actually did not bid to host WWC games for obvious reasons. I am pretty sure the CSA would have liked a grass venue for the world cup... Quote
LatinXTC Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Wait, isn't China excluded for the 2026 WC because it's being held in Qatar, a region that's considered part of Asia? I thought there was still a rule that any country from a continent that just hosted within the last 2 World Cups is ineligible to put in a bid. For example, since Rio just hosted and they already selected the hosts for the 2018 and 2022 WCs any South American country can bid for a WC from 2026 and beyond. Also if the US bid and won the right to host the 2026 WC it would not be an issue with hosting a Summer or Winter Olympic games. Our American football stadiums easily accommodate a soccer game, so there would be little to no construction needed. We wouldn't face a similar issue as Rio and the rest of Brazil did when it worried the hell out of FIFA and the IOC in cutting it way too close. We can easily have the WC and a Summer Olympic games 2yrs apart, just like we did with the 1994 WC and the 1996 games in Atlanta. And it wouldn't be an issue with the winter Olympic games if we put in a bid and won with either Reno/Lake Tahoe, Denver, or a Lake Placid/another major city bid. The US could simply not have Denver or possibly Buffalo or even NYC host world cup events just to satisfy the IOC policy of preferring the winning city not hosting more than one sporting event that year. Quote
StefanMUC Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Wait, isn't China excluded for the 2026 WC because it's being held in Qatar, a region that's considered part of Asia? I thought there was still a rule that any country from a continent that just hosted within the last 2 World Cups is ineligible to put in a bid. This is FIFA. They conveniently bend/forget their own rules whenever they want to. China would surely be a very tempting reason to skip this semi-rotation policy, especially since it currently means China's turn would come 2034 at the earliest. 1 Quote
Rob2012 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Even without China signalling its intent I would not be surprised if FIFA changed things. They risk a quite slim field for 2026. FIFA does what it wants, when it wants and cleans up the mess afterwards (or leaves everyone else with it). Really, as Stafan says, I wouldn't put too much stock in their rotation rules. They'll drop them the minute they're not convenient anymore. 1 Quote
reindeer Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Even without China signalling its intent I would not be surprised if FIFA changed things. They risk a quite slim field for 2026. FIFA does what it wants, when it wants and cleans up the mess afterwards (or leaves everyone else with it). Really, as Stafan says, I wouldn't put too much stock in their rotation rules. They'll drop them the minute they're not convenient anymore. Spot on, that's what I have always thought about this rule. This is FIFA after all, they do as they like. Quote
BTHarner Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 They are voting on this 9 years in advance, which leads me to believe that Blatter wants more influence in this decision (assuming he is re-elected which is probably a done deal) than had it been voted upon in 2019 or 2020. It has been speculated around here the he really wanted 2022 in the USA and perhaps he sees this as an opportunity to make amends. Remember the USSF is one of the few bodies that kept it's mouth shut after the Qatar decision and publically accepted the decision. Quote
Quaker2001 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 This is FIFA. They conveniently bend/forget their own rules whenever they want to. China would surely be a very tempting reason to skip this semi-rotation policy, especially since it currently means China's turn would come 2034 at the earliest. And what's wrong with 2034? If the United States enters a bid for 2026, FIFA is going to have a hard time justifying breaking policy to go to Asia for 2 straight World Cups. I'd sooner see them allow Europe into the mix than I would China. After the mess that we all know is inevitable for 2022 (I'm stealing this from someone else, but it's going to be a total Qatastrophe), I don't think FIFA is going to go someplace like China immediately following. Follow Qatar up with the United States (assuming they're interested). Then have 2030 in Europe for the centennial World Cup. And then China is there for 2034. Quote
Rob2012 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 That might be logicial, but if China starts promising the world.... Quote
Quaker2001 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 That might be logicial, but if China starts promising the world.... Well, the logic has to be that FIFA changes the rules regarding the confederations. That has to happen before China can even be considered. And I don't know I like the theory that says they would do that dependent on China promising the world. I know this is FIFA we're talking about and they can't be counted on to not do crazy things, but following a World Cup in Russia and one in Qatar, I don't know they'll want to follow that up with a country like China. Granted, I thought 2022 would have been ideal for the United States, so far be it from me to make a prediction that 2026 will be it either. Quote
StefanMUC Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 And what's wrong with 2034? Nothing wrong for me. But I can easily imagine some FIFA folks being only too keen to "spread the greatest game on earth to an ever larger audience". Not to mention business considerations that don't want to linger for another almost 20 years... Quote
gromit Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Another issue that will need to be considered if the USA bids/wins is 4th July 2026 .... the 250th anniversary. Is the 5th sport in the USA not going to take a backseat to nationwide celebrations? the falls around the date of the Quarter Finals/Semi Finals of the last 3 World Cups so will be something that the USA will need to confront. Personally I think Canada has a decent shout 1. Stadia in place either built or which will be built which have an anchor tenant in place (CFL or MLS team) 2. The opportunity to build upon this by establishing a Canadian Soccer League 3. The fact that Canada has successfully held a number of smaller FIFA international tournaments Games could be help at the BC Place (54k), BMO Field (40k), Commonwealth Stadium (60k), Investors Group Field (40k), Tim Horton's Field (40k), new Mosaic Field (40k), and TD Place Stadium (40K) all of which have sufficient capacity or are expandable for Grey Cups. This is before the Rogers Centre is considered - maybe for a semi final with a capacity of 48-50,000 seats All in a redevelopment or replacement for McMahon Stadium in Calgary, a potential Martimes CFL team and stadium and a redeveloped Olympic Stadium in Montreal (70k plus) and you've got the required 9/10 stadium Open in Edmonton, semi finals in Vancouver and Toronto, final in Montreal FIFA require 8-10 stadia of 40,000 seats plus with the opening game held in a stadia with 60,000 and a final in a stadium of 80,000 though these rules have proven to be fluid with Russia 2018 having at least one stadia of 35,000 seats only while the Maracana, had a capacity of 74,000 for the 2014 final Quote
yoshi Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 I think Canada would take the chance to build a national stadium in Toronto for a WC final - with retractable track for any future Olympics. Maybe a Toronto NFL team could use it permanently if the Argos couldn't or wouldn't want to use it. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Another issue that will need to be considered if the USA bids/wins is 4th July 2026 .... the 250th anniversary. Is the 5th sport in the USA not going to take a backseat to nationwide celebrations? the falls around the date of the Quarter Finals/Semi Finals of the last 3 World Cups so will be something that the USA will need to confront. Huh? Why? The WC doesn't have to conclude on 7-04. It will probably go on until a week after. 2022 finals will happen on Qatar's national day. 1998 come and went around France's Bastille Day. Any 250th celebrations in 2026 will be that much sweeter if Team USA advances into at least the final 4. Otherwise, I see no conflicts with a WC concluding around 7/4/26. Quote
ofan Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 I think Canada would take the chance to build a national stadium in Toronto for a WC final - with retractable track for any future Olympics. Maybe a Toronto NFL team could use it permanently if the Argos couldn't or wouldn't want to use it. Yes, the final would not be in Montreal. Gromit doesn't know what he's talking about. Quote
reindeer Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 I wouldn't like to see the World Cup in Canada immediately after Qatar. Another country with so little significance in the game won't be good for the brand. Maybe some day but not so soon. I'd prefer the tournament get back to its roots to (Western) Europe, preferably to England or Spain. Not only is Canada a backwater for this sport, it's also incredibly huge and difficult to get around, like Russia and Brazil. Quote
Rob2012 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't like to see the World Cup in Canada immediately after Qatar. Another country with so little significance in the game won't be good for the brand. Maybe some day but not so soon. I'd prefer the tournament get back to its roots to (Western) Europe, preferably to England or Spain. England won't bid for any FIFA events with Blatter in charge. So 2030 the earliest we'll see a World Cup here. http://news.sky.com/story/1305576/england-wont-bid-while-sepp-blatter-at-fifa Edited March 22, 2015 by Rob. Quote
Faster Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 I wouldn't like to see the World Cup in Canada immediately after Qatar. Another country with so little significance in the game won't be good for the brand. Maybe some day but not so soon. I'd prefer the tournament get back to its roots to (Western) Europe, preferably to England or Spain. Not only is Canada a backwater for this sport, it's also incredibly huge and difficult to get around, like Russia and Brazil. It isn't difficult to get around. Just expensive. Quote
LatinXTC Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 It isn't difficult to get around. Just expensive. Wow you're not joking. According to Kayak, a round-trip flight from Toronto to Vancouver is like $475 nonstop minimum in June. A round-trip nonstop flight from NYC to San Francisco, which is a bit farther apart, is about $50 less. Here I thought the US prices were ridiculous. And the same problems would be had with a US world cup, it could get expensive considering all the flights a person could be taking. We do have some cheap airfare options like Frontier and Spirit but their service can only take one so far. Quote
baron-pierreIV Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Wow you're not joking. According to Kayak, a round-trip flight from Toronto to Vancouver is like $475 nonstop minimum in June. A round-trip nonstop flight from NYC to San Francisco, which is a bit farther apart, is about $50 less. Here I thought the US prices were ridiculous. And the same problems would be had with a US world cup, it could get expensive considering all the flights a person could be taking. We do have some cheap airfare options like Frontier and Spirit but their service can only take one so far. It needn't be. A major airline partner/sponsor would probably issue a booklet of specially priced WC tickets wherein foreign WC ticket-holders can get reasonable fares between distant cities at the last minute, depending on the vagaries of the games' outcomes. And they can always add planes and direct flights at the last minute that would almost act like charter flights to carry, say, German fans, from Orlando to DC or LA for the next game. A month ago, I bought Oakland-NYC r/t for next month for just $361.00, w/ one change-plane stop, on Southwest. It was over $500 on United (which I normally fly). Quote
ofan Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 I wouldn't like to see the World Cup in Canada immediately after Qatar. Another country with so little significance in the game won't be good for the brand. Maybe some day but not so soon. I'd prefer the tournament get back to its roots to (Western) Europe, preferably to England or Spain. Not only is Canada a backwater for this sport, it's also incredibly huge and difficult to get around, like Russia and Brazil. I find this post slightly offensive. Canada is not a "backwater" for the sport. We have one of the top ranked women's teams in the world, three of the most popular franchises in Major League Soccer, held the most attended U20 FIFA World Cup in history, and soccer is considered one of the top five most popular sports in the country. Canada is an immigrant nation, and with such a diverse population not only would a World Cup in Canada be sold out, but it would provide one of the better atmosphere's for any tournament in FIFA history. Just look at the previous FIFA events here and the Olympics in 2010. I find it laughable that you would even considering comparing Qatar, which is a disease not only to sport but to the region it's in, with a highly developed nation like Canada. 2 Quote
gromit Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Huh? Why? The WC doesn't have to conclude on 7-04. It will probably go on until a week after. 2022 finals will happen on Qatar's national day. 1998 come and went around France's Bastille Day. Any 250th celebrations in 2026 will be that much sweeter if Team USA advances into at least the final 4. Otherwise, I see no conflicts with a WC concluding around 7/4/26. Except football in France is the No1 sport by far ... in the US, football is a minor sport so could easily be overwhelmed by such a major culture event. Bastille day anniversary would fall on '89, not such a momentous date as the 250th anniversary. As for Qatar, well they had no option considering the nonsense of them being a host Yes, the final would not be in Montreal. Gromit doesn't know what he's talking about. Except Denis Coderre, Mayor of Montreal is pushing for Montreal to be 'the capital' of such a bid, and there is an existing stadium which can be adapted. Talk of a NFL team being in Toronto based on the poor attendance of the Bills games came from people who don't know what they are talking about. I wouldn't like to see the World Cup in Canada immediately after Qatar. Another country with so little significance in the game won't be good for the brand. Maybe some day but not so soon. I'd prefer the tournament get back to its roots to (Western) Europe, preferably to England or Spain. Not only is Canada a backwater for this sport, it's also incredibly huge and difficult to get around, like Russia and Brazil. Didn't really have a negative effect when austerity driven London 2012 followed money bags Beijing 2008 Quote
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