ofan Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 What I mean is that those NFL (and possibly, though unlikely University) stadiums should have no problems with accommodating a World Cup. Everything is mostly ready to go. And any upgrades would benefit the venue in general. Exactly what I'm saying, except for many of the venues, upgrades aren't even necessary whereas Tony thinks they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breathesgelatin Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Reliant Stadium is the example I know best that Tony cited. Reliant Stadium was built in 2002, has a roof currently, and a seating capacity of 71,000. Tony is proposing to tear down and rebuild it SMALLER. WHAT?!?! That is an example of how crazy some of what he was proposing is. Now granted, there is quite a bit of open space in that area of Houston at the moment, given they're tearing down the Astrodome. The US has a plethora of stadiums. I personally walk by a stadium on my way to and from my office each day that is in pristine condition and seats over 90,000. It's for COLLEGE football. I find it highly unlikely that any proposed US world cup is going to involve building tons of brand new stadiums. Upgrades or renovations to some, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 The big concern with any US bid is transportation, but I don't think it would be TOO big of a concern since infrastructure is already in place for most of them. The question I have is whether being located downtown or having light rail or subway access is more important. Of the biggest NFL stadiums MetLife in New Jersey would be my preference for the finals. The stadium in D.C. is awful and I don't think Jerry World in Arlington has mass transportation access. Maybe I am biased since I live in Seattle, but I think Century Link Field is a very easy choice. Seattle is the closest major US city to NE Asia (Japan, Korea, China) and closer to Europe for "great circle" flights than the Southwest. The Sounders average DOUBLE the attendance of all other MLS teams. The stadium is very new and of excellent quality. There are lots of luxury suites (111) for wealthy viewers. The CLink is located downtown and has mass transportation (light rail) access. Stadium capacity is only moderate for the NFL (67,000), but it would still have been the second largest stadium in South Africa's tournament. Summer weather in Seattle is perfect for outdoor sports: low 70's and sunny almost every day. (Sadly the other 3 seasons more than make up the difference.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Depends on how you work it to. There is no regular direct transit between Lodo and Mile High but Denver Transit still manages to get between 25 and 40% of spectators to the games 8 weeks a year. It is certainly low tech, but it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reindeer Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 There were several stadiums in South Africa 2010 which were mostly uncovered with a roof over just some stands. USA has the advantage of being able to propose stadiums which would all have a capacity larger than the average attendance of 1994, by far the all time record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 There were several stadiums in South Africa 2010 which were mostly uncovered with a roof over just some stands. USA has the advantage of being able to propose stadiums which would all have a capacity larger than the average attendance of 1994, by far the all time record. Yeah, and they weren't unique. Arena Amazonia in Manaus is unique because of the spectator cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Yeah, and they weren't unique. Arena Amazonia in Manaus is unique because of the spectator cover. Oh buzz off!! You and your stadia cover... WHO DA **** CARES??????????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Oh buzz off!! You and your stadia cover... WHO DA **** CARES??????????? You obviously care, because you commented. You buzz off if you don't like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 So we're seriously having a discussion over stadiums for a U.S. hosted World Cup and not acknowledging that such a list already exists? Take a look at the 2022 bid and that's the blueprint for the venue plan for any future World Cup bid. Tony.. I'm sorry but I have join the rest of the crowd here in acknowledging what a complete dumbass you are in putting that list together. As someone from a football-crazy nation, you should know better. 1 thing for our Canadian friends here, and I've brought this up before: Rogers Centre - owned and operated by Rogers Communications (who in turn owns the primary tenant of the stadium). There have been rumblings that they're trying to kick the Argonauts out so they can renovate the stadium and make it more baseball-friendly. In order to make that stadium suitable for a World Cup, particularly in 2026, they'd probably need major renovations that would involve kicking the Blue Jays out for part or perhaps all of a season. Pretty sure you're gonna have a tough time convincing the owner of the stadium to kick out THEIR team unless they benefit greatly from doing so. Which is to say.. do not count on the Rogers Centre being available for use during the World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 An upgrade to BMO Stadium to 40,000 makes more sense for use by the Argos after the World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 So we're seriously having a discussion over stadiums for a U.S. hosted World Cup and not acknowledging that such a list already exists? Take a look at the 2022 bid and that's the blueprint for the venue plan for any future World Cup bid. Tony.. I'm sorry but I have join the rest of the crowd here in acknowledging what a complete dumbass you are in putting that list together. As someone from a football-crazy nation, you should know better. 1 thing for our Canadian friends here, and I've brought this up before: Rogers Centre - owned and operated by Rogers Communications (who in turn owns the primary tenant of the stadium). There have been rumblings that they're trying to kick the Argonauts out so they can renovate the stadium and make it more baseball-friendly. In order to make that stadium suitable for a World Cup, particularly in 2026, they'd probably need major renovations that would involve kicking the Blue Jays out for part or perhaps all of a season. Pretty sure you're gonna have a tough time convincing the owner of the stadium to kick out THEIR team unless they benefit greatly from doing so. Which is to say.. do not count on the Rogers Centre being available for use during the World Cup. Don't call me that. Anyway, noone is perfect. In general, I do know my Football Stadiums. Usa aren't exactly full of Football only Stadiums, with exception to Nyrb Stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Don't call me that. Anyway, noone is perfect. In general, I do know my Football Stadiums. Usa aren't exactly full of Football only Stadiums, with exception to Nyrb Stadium. Well, maybe overseas but you know next to nothing about stadiums in North America, clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Don't call me that. Anyway, noone is perfect. In general, I do know my Football Stadiums. Usa aren't exactly full of Football only Stadiums, with exception to Nyrb Stadium. See, right there you're not helping your cause to be taken seriously. First off, the stadium is called Red Bull Arena. I had to Google 'Nyrb' see what you were talking about, so I assume that's what you mean. Secondly, there are 19 teams in MLS. I believe 14 of them play in soccer-specific stadiums that were purpose built for MLS teams. But that doesn't matter since most of them are much smaller than their NFL stadium counterparts. Again, the United States bid for the 2022 World Cup. So we know what cities and stadiums were (and are) likely to be included in a future World Cup bid. That list did not include "New National Stadium" in New York (the $1.6 billion stadium they built isn't good enough?), a new Rose Bowl at nearly half the capacity, a new stadium in Denver to replace one built just 13 years ago, a new stadium in Houston to replace one built 12 years ago, and a baseball stadium that is still used for baseball. The United States has nearly all the infrastructure they need with existing stadiums and little to no renovation. Most of the large scale stadiums used by the NFL would be ideal for a World Cup since they don't see much use during the summer months. You clearly do not know your football stadiums in the United States. Once again, we all get that you're an over-eager teenage kid here and I can forgive you for that, but not when you profess to have knowledge that you are failing miserably at applying here. Like we've been saying all along, maybe your tact here should be to ask what everyone thinks of a U.S. World Cup stadium list rather than to come up with some absurd list of your own that, if you really did know football stadiums, you would know has no basis in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Canada would be a great host country, but I have doubts about the stadiums. A lot of them are either old, too small (in comparison to what the US and South America can offer) or are multipurpose baseball/football stadiums. How much public support would there be for building six new big stadiums? It's been a decade since I've lived in Canada, but back then I doubt the public would have been willing to pay for it. Canadians are very patriotic, but also very practical. The debt left from Vancouver and how quickly the public shot down a Toronto Olympic bid it seems unlikely people are going to rally behind spending billions on new football/soccer venues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Just out of interest, why is it that so many North American stadiums don't have a roof? Even newer ones like MetLife & Soldier Field (newish). Strikes me as a bit odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Cost and sporting tradition. Baseball is played during summer, when people usually enjoy being out of doors. American football is a macho game where fans take pride in braving the elements. However many newer stadiums are built with at least partial roofs (it always seems like that should be "rooves" but it isn't) or a retractable roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reindeer Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I would guess it's also a matter of keeping costs down, especially in college stadiums. Still there were many indoor stadiums in the US before they became popular in Europe. Well, maybe that's because there was no need for natural grass in the playing field. With or without a roof, it's mind-numbing how many large stadiums there are in USA, even considering the size of the country. I think if you made a list of stadiums with a capacity exceeding 70k, United States would easily beat the whole European continent. In a future World Cup they should not propose any venue smaller than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I would guess it's also a matter of keeping costs down, especially in college stadiums. Still there were many indoor stadiums in the US before they became popular in Europe. Well, maybe that's because there was no need for natural grass in the playing field. With or without a roof, it's mind-numbing how many large stadiums there are in USA, even considering the size of the country. I think if you made a list of stadiums with a capacity exceeding 70k, United States would easily beat the whole European continent. In a future World Cup they should not propose any venue smaller than that. Yea they would. Boston is 68k, Seattle is 67k, Chicago is 61.5k, Philadelphia is 68k. Can't imagine those 4 cities not hosting matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord David Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Canada would be a great host country, but I have doubts about the stadiums. A lot of them are either old, too small (in comparison to what the US and South America can offer) or are multipurpose baseball/football stadiums. How much public support would there be for building six new big stadiums? It's been a decade since I've lived in Canada, but back then I doubt the public would have been willing to pay for it. Canadians are very patriotic, but also very practical. The debt left from Vancouver and how quickly the public shot down a Toronto Olympic bid it seems unlikely people are going to rally behind spending billions on new football/soccer venues. Regina, Saskatchewan, would have built a 30,000+ stadium (expandable to 50,000 for Grey Cup and major events) come bid time. Halifax, Nova Scotia, is desperate for a major stadium Quebec City, Quebec, would easily propose a major venue for ceremonies of any potential future Winter Olympics bid. I can see a new stadium destined for that city. Calgary, Alberta, could use a new stadium, but would most likely upgrade McMahon Stadium. Toronto, Ontario, would naturally be the choice for finals and would propose a new major stadium to support the bid. Making such a venue athletics friendly for a potential future Olympics (like Stade de France, but more better sightlines for athletics) would work. I easily see 4 venues to be built in total. Winnipeg, Hamilton, Ottawa would be expanded to their Grey Cup capacities of over 40,000. Calgary, Montreal and Moncton would be upgraded. Edmonton and Vancouver can be used as is, with a possible expansion for Edmonton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'm just more into Football Stadiums and Olympic Stadiums. We don't watch Baseball over here in London, England. Football and Athletics Stadiums are the ones I know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'm just more into Football Stadiums and Olympic Stadiums. We don't watch Baseball over here in London, England. Football and Athletics Stadiums are the ones I know about. Ya, but not our types of football here in North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Ya, but not our types of football here in North America. English Football I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I would guess it's also a matter of keeping costs down, especially in college stadiums. Still there were many indoor stadiums in the US before they became popular in Europe. Well, maybe that's because there was no need for natural grass in the playing field. With or without a roof, it's mind-numbing how many large stadiums there are in USA, even considering the size of the country. I think if you made a list of stadiums with a capacity exceeding 70k, United States would easily beat the whole European continent. In a future World Cup they should not propose any venue smaller than that. Many of those high capacity stadiums are in college towns though. For example, Michigan Stadium holds 109,000 people, but it's in Ann Arbor, not Detroit. Neyland Stadium, home of the University of Tennessee, is in Knoxville, which wouldn't be a suitable World Cup host city. The only one of the college stadiums that made the cut for the 2022 bid were the Rose Bowl and Coliseum in L.A. and Husky Stadium in Seattle (which also has CenturyLink Field). The only large-size college stadium that maybe could make the cut is Ohio Stadium since Columbus has an MLS team, but they missed the first cut for 2022, so I don't like their odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony E Loves Architecture Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I think Canada would have the edge over Usa, for the simple fact that Canada has never hosted the World Cup, Usa hosted in 1994. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I think Canada would have the edge over Usa, for the simple fact that Canada has never hosted the World Cup, Usa hosted in 1994. Yeah. Who cares that Canada's team is ranked 111th in the world and they would have to build/refurbish stadia? Although really Jamaica is more likely to host than either Canada or the US because they haven't ever hosted and they're ranked all the way up at 81. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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