Rio-2016 News

[zekekelso]

How it all went down:

Jacques Rogge: The name's Rogge! Jacques Rogge. And I come before you good people tonight with an idea. Probably the greatest... Aw, it's not for you. It's more of a Shelbyville idea.
[starts to walk out of the room]
Mayor Paes: [at the podium] Now wait just a minute! We're twice as smart as the people of Shelbyville. You just tell us your idea and we'll vote for it!

[woohooitsme83]

If avoiding their problems is what they're doing, then that wont carry over well with the media. A media that will especially focus on Rio's problems during the games.

They're not avoiding it entirely.

Not to mention, all the touristic zone favelas were "pacified" (which not means bad guys are not there but it means crime dropped a lot, specially robbery and mugging).

But of course, media will only focus on the avoiding part

[DannyelBrazil]

how could you pass judgement on the video if you only saw the first minute? And if only about 15% of rio's population thats still 1.7 million people. A lot worse sounding than 15%

Let's make a documentary about the great nation of USA, but let's do it in Spanish (the main language according to it) say the de facto capital of USA is Miami or LA, most of the country workforce works as clean boys or fastfood attendants, the national sport is "futbol", the most celebrated national hero is some Cuban refugee living in Miami, the biggest TV network is Univision where night soap operas are the biggest cultural product, along with national rhythms: salsa and rumba.

Cut to some colorful graphics and end the documentary playing "Nuestro Himno" with a voice over saying "This is United States, I mean Estados Unidos de America".

Is that correct?

Hispanic people are 15% to 20% of USA...

Edited July 16, 2014 by DannyelBrazil

[DannyelBrazil]

And after that all the documentaries about USA should focus only in the latino population. Forget those English speaking people. They are not relevant to the image of a Latin-growing country I want to spread around the World

Edited July 16, 2014 by DannyelBrazil

[zekekelso]

Is that correct?

Pretty much. Skyscrapers bloom, Cadillacs zoom, industry boom. All in America.

In America

[binary]

Let's make a documentary about the great nation of USA, but let's do it in Spanish (the main language according to it) say the de facto capital of USA is Miami or LA, most of the country workforce works as clean boys or fastfood attendants, the national sport is "futbol", the most celebrated national hero is some Cuban refugee living in Miami, the biggest TV network is Univision where night soap operas are the biggest cultural product, along with national rhythms: salsa and rumba.

Cut to some colorful graphics and end the documentary playing "Nuestro Himno" with a voice over saying "This is United States, I mean Estados Unidos de America".

Is that correct?

Hispanic people are 15% to 20% of USA...

So you want to make a movie where America is a latin country? Go ahead it couldn't be any worse the transformers series.

Also unlike some Americans, I don't have a aneurysm at the thought of minorities "taking our god given land".

[DannyelBrazil]

So you want to make a movie where America is a latin country? Go ahead it couldn't be any worse the transformers series.

Also unlike some Americans, I don't have a aneurysm at the thought of minorities "taking our god given land".

My point is not to be offensive or provocative towards you.

Its just to show 15% means something, but it's not all, nor can be used to give a representative picture of something.

Rio is a big favela city as much as USA is a country made of Spanish-speaking people.

I'm talking about proportions and perspectives.

Is this salsa? Edited July 16, 2014 by DannyelBrazil

[woohooitsme83]

And danny, like it or not, the media wont show the good side of rio because that's not news, it's advertising. The media reports on these stories because unlike beaches or museums crime and violence is hazardous to health. Think about it like this, if hundreds of thousands of people are going to descend upon a city for the olympics, don't you think the local media would want to educate people on whats going on their?

IMO, it is not the media's duty to inform travelers of some primarily insignificant/repetitive “dangerous” activities (it’s not like there’s a country on Earth that’s an absolute safe have, anyway). Unless it is listed on the origin country's travel alert/warning site (Here is the USA's: http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/alertswarnings.html [note how Brazil isn't on there]), it should not really be used as a source of reliable information as biased views and partial story-telling may be included.

[Bezzi]

Why so many pages of conversations about favela? Some olympic facility was transferred to an area inside a favela? If not, what is the relevance of this issue to this topic?

[DannyelBrazil]

Why so many pages of conversations about favela?

Asked this 3 times already... No answer...

PS: Loved your signature.

[DannyelBrazil]

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Works in Joao Havelange Olympic Stadium continues...

[paul]

The favelas are a unique landmark and lifestyle that is a BIG part of the visual vocabulary and social fabric of the city. Discussing the different classes in host cities and weighing how they may be affected, contribute or benefit from a games seems normal for any host. Rio is famous for a few things, the favelas is a prominent one.

...plus it's high drama and intrigue....people are interested.

[Athensfan]

So you want to make a movie where America is a latin country? Go ahead it couldn't be any worse the transformers series.

Also unlike some Americans, I don't have a aneurysm at the thought of minorities "taking our god given land".

Reeks of desperation.

We're a nation of immigrants. It's our identity.

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Works in Joao Havelange Olympic Stadium continues...

Then there's the little matter of the name of the stadium. Let's hold Olympic competition in a venue named for a man who is now infamous for his corruption of organized sport.

[DannyelBrazil]

Reeks of desperation.

We're a nation of immigrants. It's our identity.

Brazil too, and the process of ethnic mixture is even more successful than the American one. But it's not very known abroad, since all you got from media is bad news about favelas and social issues.

And do not play the fool, I told twice that my example is only to show how 15% of something is not representative of the whole picture.

Then there's the little matter of the name of the stadium. Let's hold Olympic competition in a venue named for a man who is now infamous for his corruption of organized sport.

Actually GamesBids is the only place where "João Havelange Olympic Stadium" is used. If you ask for "João Havelange stadium" in Rio, nobody will know it.

The stadium is known as Engenhão, since it's located in Engenho de Dentro neighbourhood.

And for the Olympic Games, the stadium is named as "Olympic Stadium" only. No "João Havelange" on it.

Athensfan, don't start another useless discussion about something only you care...

Edited July 17, 2014 by DannyelBrazil

[ofan]

^thats a flat our lie. Joao Havelange Stadium is it's English name. It was used in the bid books, and it will be used by the OBS in Rio.

[StefanMUC]

^thats a flat our lie. Joao Havelange Stadium is it's English name. It was used in the bid books, and it will be used by the OBS in Rio.

Excuse me, I'll grab some popcorn before I go through the next 10 pages that will ensue undoubtedly...

[Sir Rols]

^thats a flat our lie. Joao Havelange Stadium is it's English name. It was used in the bid books, and it will be used by the OBS in Rio.

On the Rio website it's just "Olympic Stadium".

[Athensfan]

Danny how can you say no one calls it Havelange stadium WHEN YOU JUST DID?

[Bezzi]

^thats a flat our lie. Joao Havelange Stadium is it's English name. It was used in the bid books, and it will be used by the OBS in Rio.

In the bid period the stadium was really called João Havelange, but since 2009 the stadium was renamed to "Stadium Rio". This article explains the name change.

http://www.botafogo.com.br/stadiumrio.php

But even with this change, all of us here in Brazil, including the press, call the stadium Engenhão. During the olympics, the IOC should probably use the name "Rio Olympic Stadium"

Next polemic theme Athensfan...

[thorbr]

Danny how can you say no one calls it Havelange stadium WHEN YOU JUST DID?

Why do you ALWAYS doubt what we, that live HERE, say? NOBODY calls the stadium like this. It's Engenhão. And FYI, there's a project to be voted in our local assembly to change its "oficial", but never used, name. Also, FYI, he wasn't accused of anything when the stadium was built.

About the theme of only rich cities being the ones able to throw the party, it was exactly because of the social programs and the potencial of changing the city for good that made Rio's bid the winner. Local people supported the plans, even elected a mayor that used them in his election program. Projects are already under way. People in the favelas have never been so benefited, not only, of course, because of the specific olympics projects, but also because of many others. There's a strong partnership between local governments and the federal one... Rio is receiveing a lot of investments.

As Danny said, Brazil is facing its problemas. The Olympics are being used to impulse many projects and give them quicker deadlines, a stronger attention. They are not, at all, making our goverment stop investing in other areas. For example, for education we have just lifted public spendure from less than 6% to 10% of the whole public investment. We have recently discovered deep sea oil, that will allow, in the next decades, Brazil to invest 25% of its revenue in health programs and the other 75% in education. We have just signed many agreements with Russia, India, China and South Africa, including a developing bank (that is promised to challange the World Bank role in the world).

I mean... I don't know what else can we say...

[Athensfan]

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Works in Joao Havelange Olympic Stadium continues...

The above quote speaks for itself.

I didn't say it.

And I have no interest in "polemics."

[DannyelBrazil]

I only say Joao Havelange, because if I say Engenhao here nobody will know what I'm talking about.

Indeed some here call the stadium "JH Stadium"... lol

Plus, I can call the stadium "Uncle Bob's arena" if I want, this will not change the fact the stadium is only known in Brazil as Engenhao and will be called oficially "Olympic Stadium" during the games.

^thats a flat our lie. Joao Havelange Stadium is it's English name. It was used in the bid books, and it will be used by the OBS in Rio.

No, it'll be "Olympic Stadium"

And as said before, Rio legislative branch have a request to remove Joao Havelange name from the stadium.

Next, Athensfan.

Edited July 18, 2014 by DannyelBrazil

[Athensfan]

You are looking for trouble. I hope Rio succeeds brilliantly. If the stadium has a different name now, that's fantastic. Definitely the right move. You certainly can't blame me for thinking the name was unchanged when you yourself just called it "Joao Havelange."

Why so many pages of conversations about favela? Some olympic facility was transferred to an area inside a favela? If not, what is the relevance of this issue to this topic?

Pay no attention to the favelas!!! Favelas?? What favelas???? Hooray for the Olympic Games!

[Bezzi]

Pay no attention to the favelas!!! Favelas?? What favelas???? Hooray for the Olympic Games!

I said next and you came with an old one?

The favela is there, right above one of our olympic stadiums, home to bad people, good people, poor people without running water, not so poor people with cable tv and internet, where in 1928 was founded the most famous school of samba, the Mangueira, a place I still not had the privilege of visiting.

[Sir Rols]

At the end of the day the rough edges aren’t the true determinant of the Olympic experience or the success of a Games. Look at Athens. And it’s not like any host is free of any rough edges anyway. Some more than others, but all have them.

I guess my feelings are that, hey, it’s Rio. You expect it to have some rough edges. It’s as part of its international reputation/stereotype/charm, as much as samba or football or scenery or micro-bikinis. Like the World Cup - it was the fans, the passion and the local colour that made it one of the special editions, not how gleaming, or unfinished, the stadiums were. It was the home-made canopies and bunting over the streets and lanes far more than the tutti-frutti stadium claddings that crystalised the spirit of the event.

I’ve often said that the Games aren’t a right, but a luxury for those cities/countries with the means. And, yeah, Brazil’s got its problems and challenges. But considering the country’s laudable and impressive social gains and economic growth over the past decades, I think it’s within their means to do so without being irresponsible. I’ve got no problems if it can stage these events while still maintaining social improvements and economic growth, as it seems to be doing. While also giving the citizens a boost to pride and self esteem, and leaving behind infrastructural assets that may not be glamorous – like airport terminals, roads and transport systems or rail lines – but will benefit the community for decades to come. I don’t think the lot of the wider Brazilian community would have been any better without them, or social spending would have been significantly higher without them. Ultimately I’m reasonably confident the World Cup and the Games will be of benefit to Brazil in the long term beyond the fleeting fillip to spirits of the event themselves.