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Funny, I didn't see the seal in the video... *LOL*

C'mon Jim, be a little bit more humble: you are human and have veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy limited power in the sports and building venue world... Thankfully.

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Being a not-very-regular user of Maracana, I can imagine that the new roof will make the stadium cooler than before, because it will open space for ventilation over the top, which is something that didn´t have before.

Try being there in the middle of Summer, with the sun on your face and the greenhouse effect was very, very unconfortable. To be fair, when it comes at night there is a lot of wind around the stadium, because the surroundings are very open, but during a hot summer day this is not exacty a pleasant place to watch a soccer game (obviously that was never an obstacle for me to not go to Maracana, but those are the facts).

Obviously that won´t happen during Games-time and WC, because both will be in the middle of winter here, but it will help for rest of the year.

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^^I don't think it ever snows in Tio de Janeiro, and the city does have a tropical climate (probably stays nearly the same temperature throughout the year), so that doesn't matter.

About snow. Since Portuguese arrived in Rio (the history recorded) never snowed in Rio city, but actually snowed once in Rio de Janeiro state, but in the top of the highest mountain in the border with Sao Paulo state.

About temperatures, No, Rio is almost in the end of tropical zone which means fresh winter and hot summer.

During winter temperatures can reach 12ºC (50sºF).

In 2010 Summer temperatures reached 42ºC (108ºF) easily, with thermical feeling as high as 55ºC (131ºC).

Obviously, in Nothern Hemisphere differences are bigger due the mass of continent, but still it's a bit cold in winter and extremely hot in summer.

Rio is tropical but 5,000 Km far from the Equator line where the temperatures can be almost the same all year round.

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BTW, both places (Texas and Mexico) I have big curiosity to visit since I knew people from there. From Dallas and from Coahuila de Zaragoza border state in Mexico. Both people said nice things about this area. Very curious to visit someday =]

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And yesterday we had snow in southern states of Brazil. Ok not that snow.... But, it got white landscape =]

http://g1.globo.com/videos/jornal-nacional/v/temperatura-fica-abaixo-de-zero-na-regiao-sul/1512817/#/Edições/20110518/page/2

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Being a not-very-regular user of Maracana, I can imagine that the new roof will make the stadium cooler than before, because it will open space for ventilation over the top, which is something that didn´t have before.

Try being there in the middle of Summer, with the sun on your face and the greenhouse effect was very, very unconfortable. To be fair, when it comes at night there is a lot of wind around the stadium, because the surroundings are very open, but during a hot summer day this is not exacty a pleasant place to watch a soccer game (obviously that was never an obstacle for me to not go to Maracana, but those are the facts).

Obviously that won´t happen during Games-time and WC, because both will be in the middle of winter here, but it will help for rest of the year.

I don't know how old you are, but Maracanã was not always this hot. Before the boxes were built, you could enter the upper ring grand stands from the tunnels or from the top. The circulation area on the top of the upper ring allowed for the air to circulate and the stadium was not very hot for spectators which were not under the shadow of the roof.

With the new roof, the effect of the sun should be less important, since more seats will be covered. Even the trans-lucid cover should be fine, since it is not transparent, thus filtering part of the sun light.

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And yesterday we had snow in southern states of Brazil. Ok not that snow.... But, it got white landscape =]

http://g1.globo.com/videos/jornal-nacional/v/temperatura-fica-abaixo-de-zero-na-regiao-sul/1512817/#/Edições/20110518/page/2

Until 2016, the Earth climate will change and will snow in Rio, so we will host the 2026 winter olympics, ten years after the summer games. Can you imagine the alpine skiing at Corcovado Mountain? :P

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Until 2016, the Earth climate will change and will snow in Rio, so we will host the 2026 winter olympics, ten years after the summer games. Can you imagine the alpine skiing at Corcovado Mountain? :P

And after this, Commonwealth Games!!! LOL!!! We helped British Air Force in the Falkland Islands war, so we can join the comp! tongue.gif

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I didn't realise that. So Chile AND Brazil helped the UK. Did anyone in South America help the Argies out?

Officially Brazil was neutral, asking a peaceful way to give back the island to Argentina. But some important people already said Brazil allowed some british aircraft to refuel in Brazilian Northeastern airports and return to UK, but the airplanes were in-route to south.

Chile was officially neutral too, but actually helped strongly british troops, indeed, in planning and operating an invasion of Ushuaia, Southernmost Argentine city, that was cancelled few hours before the planned.

Peru and Venezuela, officially supported Argentina.

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(Google translator)

Delays in the preps for 2014 and 2016. Revista Veja today's issue shows the situation of each stadium. Only one of them will be ready for 2014. And it is not tne Maracanã. FIFA no longer hide his concern over the 2014 World Cup in Brazil.For the second time in just one month, the federation president Sepp Blatter has said publicly that he is concerned about the possibility of Brazil not ready to make the finals in three years. In a news conference Monday in Geneva, the hat left no doubt in his assessment: for him, the country is lagging behind in preparations for the tournament.

Brazil was confirmed as host of the World 2014 in October 2007, less than seven years before the date set for the start of the event.Never had any country had been chosen so far in advance to receive a World Cup. Still, the possibility of delay in the works for the party has always been a concern of Brazilians - fear that was always denied by the CBF and FIFA. Last year, for example, Blatter said repeatedly that he was quiet.

In early years, the discourse has changed. Earlier this month, FIFA president Sepp Blatter has already stated that the delay in the works - mainly in Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo - was cause for alarm. In this second interview, Blatter spoke again about the two cities. At first, the Maracana is already in the works, but the pace is slow - progress in the work and lack of infrastructure. On Monday, the construction of the future stadium for Corinthians in Itaquera is still far from starting.

"If they keep working at this pace, we will not have matches in Rio and Sao Paulo when it happens the Confederations Cup, a year before the World Cup," warned Blatter. The tournament is considered a great dress rehearsal for the World Cup and FIFA usually use the event to assess the preparedness of the host country to a year's biggest sporting party in the world. In South Africa, the FIFA Confederations Cup in 2009 went smoothly - and in 2010 the Cup was successful.

Blatter cited the example of South Africans themselves to criticize the Brazilians on Monday. "If we make a comparison between South Africa and Brazil three years before the World Cup, Brazil is behind, no doubt. I should not say this but it is a fact," he warned.Finally, the FIFA president gave a clear message to Brazil and CBF: "From now on, we expect a little more rapidly in Brazil, because for now, the country is not advancing at the speed it should."

(With Agence France-Presse)

Tags: South Africa, Brazil 2014, nfl, confederations cup, world cup, FIFA, Sepp Blatter.

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The old roof of Maracana has begun to be removed

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Credit: Genílson Araújo / Ag. O Globo

(Google Translator)

Brazil will host the World Cup in 2014? Certainly yes! The possibility of FIFA lose patience and choose another country is very remote. It would be a shame spectacular. So no one should bet on it. But Brazil will host the FIFA under what conditions?Here's the problem. The SEE this week made a radiograph of the works in the 12 stadiums that are hosting the world. The picture is bleak. Only one - the Castellan, Ceará - advancing at a pace that can be considered adequate. Maracanã, a symbol of Brazilian soccer, chosen to host the final match of the tournament, everything else constant, will be ready in 2038 ...!

Asks the reader: "If you say that the finals will take place, then what's the problem? There are now delayed, but then things come at a proper pace. " Not so, and even Brazil knows it. Rio hosted the Pan American Games 2007. The works of infrastructure to host the competition were estimated at $ 400 million. Delay Delay, lack competence, of shamelessness in shamelessness, it was everything to the last minute. Result: Pan cost 10 times more - $ 4 billion - and a bunch of thieves filled his pockets with public money.

This is the main problem: incompetence, negligence and roguery raise costs dramatically. Brazil has already done a stupid thing: instead of distributing the games of nine stages, the example of South Africa, decided on grounds of populism Lula-PT, spreading them by 12, bringing brutally account. Below, I publish a picture, drawn extensively from the data collected by the reporting team of SEE, which bears the name of the stadium, the budget, how much was spent so far and when the stadium would be ready if the pace of construction was maintained:

THE SITUATION OF TODAY 12 CUP STADIA

Budget Spent today Stadium is ready in ...

Corinthians (SP) R $ 1 billion Zero Never

A. Dunes (RN) R $ 400 million Zero Never

A. Baixada (PR) R $ 220 million Zero Never

Maracanã (RJ) R $ 957 million $ 26 million in 2038

Arena Pernambuco R $ 532 million $ 60 million in 2025Arena Amazônia R $ 499.5 million $ 30 million in 2024

Mineirão (MG) R $ 666 million 2020 $ 86.6 million

Nacional (DF) R $ 670 million $ 45 million in 2021

Arena (MT) R $ 355 million $ 48 million in 2017

Beira Rio (RS) R $ 290 million $ 30 million in 2017

Fonte Nova (GO) R $ 591 million $ 99.9 million in 2015

Castelão (EC) R $ 519 million $ 80 million in 2013

The year of completion is not defined only by the amount invested.Came to him also evaluating the quality of spending. Read the story. The thing is far worse than it looks. Here are some misfortunes:

1 - The renovation project of the National Stadium, DF, not provided for the installation of nonsense as lawn, lighting, chairs and big screen ... Think, reader, that a stadium should have a lawn ...?;

2 - only after demolishing much of the bleachers is that the Maracana discovered that the entire concrete structure that covers it is compromised by leakage;

3 - a new breakthrough discovery on new stadium for Corinthians already reached the fabled $ 1 billion (just do not know who will pay for) one hour appears a Petrobras pipeline here, another hour, to a stream channel there ... ;

4 - U.S. $ 27.5 billion of investment planned for all the works of the World Cup, were not spent so far £ 590 million;

5 - If the situation is dramatic in the stadiums, not better, as we know, at the airports of the 13 projects listed in the Cup, the work only started in six;

6 - Brazil has pledged 50 works of urban mobility and to facilitate transit access to stadiums, to date, only four started.

Read the report. There are other scandalous details. I go back to the beginning: Brazil will make the 2014 World Cup? Go, yes! It happens that all this carelessness scandalously raise costs.Already today there is an ongoing effort to take it easy TCU with robbery in the name of honor of the fatherland. An example: The Amazon Arena is still in the earthworks, as shown above. The court examined contracts of $ 200 million, only this niche, found overpricing of $ 71 million. This stage, incidentally, is an example of the madness that has gripped these people. Ready, it can hold 44,500 people. Good for the World Cup? Could be. Then it will be for the local championship. The average attendance of the tournament Amazon is paying less than one thousand. This year, attracted more people than confrontation occurred between National and Penarol: 2,869 witnesses. Guess who will foot the bill now and then ...

It is the Lula-PTism Towards 2014: poor planning, incompetence, and megalomania robbery. The treasury will pay the bill.Something must be done, or the shame is right. I suggest hiring the company of Antonio Palocci. Costs may rise somewhat, but, say, this "solves"!

By Reinaldo Azevedo

Tags: World Cup 2014

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^^^

I read part of it and it is the worst kind of journalism that I have seen. The person who wrote that has never done any construction work. Not even a small renovation of his or her house or apartment.

The method to estimate when the works are going to be completed was done by dividing the current money spent on the project, divide it by the budget and compare it with the percentage of the schedule that has passed. Basically, if a project costs 100 million and 10 million has been spend so far, it estimates that the other 90 million are going to be spent in the same pace. Therefore, if the project had started 2 months ago, it would take 18 months to complete the job.

This ridiculous, since the execution of the budget varies in intensity along time. In general, it really increases in the end of the process where all the details needed to finish the projects, like plumbing, wires, etc consume a lot of money in material and manpower. So far, most of the stadia is being demolished or building new foundations. Since this step of the process typically consumes less money in materials and employs less people, it is normal that the budget execution is slower at this point.

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