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And Dubai hopes to be taken seriously for a 2020 SOG? Uh-oh. :blink:

Another reason why they are not "serious" hosts... So who is getting FINA 2013 ??? I remember Doha lost to Shanghai for the 2011 edition...

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Fair enough, then! You get 2010 WC, we get 2014 WC. We get 2015 FINA WAC, you get 2017 FINA WAC! And eye for an eye! tongue.gif

Don't forget the Olympic Games in Cape Town 2020! =]

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The World Championships must go to the United States. Its absolute BS that the most powerful country in aquatics has never hosted the championships.

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The World Championships must go to the United States. Its absolute BS that the most powerful country in aquatics has never hosted the championships.

That would be wonderful, and I would be there, however, I think - and this has been discussed elsewhere on this site - that the U.S. simply lacks a comprehensive aquatics center able to host. Remember, that the Aquatics Championships are not just swimming - but diving, synchronized swimming, water polo and the open water marathon swim as well. We don't have anything like the Foro Italico in Rome, for instance (which was a beautiful setting to boot). So if the U.S. hosted, it would all have to be temporary, like the 2004 U.S. Olympic Trials in Long Beach, CA. But despite the record attendance, they still lost money. The only FINA Aquatics Worlds events the U.S. has hosted was the Masters Aquatics Championships in 2006, in Palo Alto, CA, at Stanford University (which is also not just swimming but all the other disciplines also as well). That was fine for the Masters Championships, which are decidedly lower key. But I'm not sure it would work for the senior Aquatics Championships. We also hosted the FINA Short Course Championships in 2004 in Indianapolis, but that was swimming only.

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Actually, the US has not hosted this FINA nor an IAAF World Champs because I think no TV contract will offset the cost of staging one. LA would seem like an ideal candidate but they don't have an enclosed major Aquatic Centre. Indianapolis might be OK again; but it's really minor league. Am surprised no Florida city bids for it. San Diego would be an ideal site PLUS there is a USOC training camp there in Chula Vista. And I don't know if FINA is, say as demanding as the IAAF is.

Of the major world champs, the US has only hosted 1 men's WC, 2 women's WC, basketball and the figure skating ones. I know the Equestrian champs are in Lexington in October I think.

BTW, I think the Foro Italico only hosted the Ceremonies...none of the actual competition events.

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Actually, the US has not hosted this FINA nor an IAAF World Champs because I think no TV contract will offset the cost of staging one. LA would seem like an ideal candidate but they don't have an enclosed major Aquatic Centre. Indianapolis might be OK again; but it's really minor league. Am surprised no Florida city bids for it. San Diego would be an ideal site PLUS there is a USOC training camp there in Chula Vista. And I don't know if FINA is, say as demanding as the IAAF is.

Of the major world champs, the US has only hosted 1 men's WC, 2 women's WC, basketball and the figure skating ones. I know the Equestrian champs are in Lexington in October I think.

BTW, I think the Foro Italico only hosted the Ceremonies...none of the actual competition events.

Indianapolis is only good for the short course worlds, not the full Aquatics worlds. And the Aquatic center doesn't have to be enclosed, it just needs to exist. I'm surprised nothing like that exists in Southern California seeing as that swimming and water polo are so big in SoCal.

Foro Italico, isn't that the whole complex?

Yes, the Foro Italico is the whole complex.

P.S. the USOC Training Center in Chula Vista doesn't have Aquatics. It's cycling (I know for sure BMX since that became an Olympic sport), Rowing, and a couple or a few others, but no Aquatics.

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I'm surprised nothing like that exists in Southern California seeing as that swimming and water polo are so big in SoCal.

The thing about putting together a World Champ Aquatix in SoCal is that, like in 1984, the water venues are/were so spread out. Short-track swims, diving and synchro were at USC (with a temporary warm-up pool; now gone). Water polo (no women's yet then) at Pepperdine. No open water swimming yet then.

For their 2016 plan, I think open waters were moved down to Long Beach and the Aquatic Center was either an expanded one again at USC and/or in Irvine. The facilities are all there in SoCal (great pools even in the Mission Viejo areas; but funny though that they had to jerry-rig those temp structure in a Long Beach parking lot for 2004???) except they are soooo spread out and probably the only possible central village would again, either be USC or UC-Irvine. But--OTO, and correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't USA-Swimming have to take the lead in something like this??

And of course, with NBC in flux, the question of a substantial TV contract hangs in the air.

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Find a large plot in New York.

Put up temp seats. Hire the pool. Bring on the ratings, and late night swimming.

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The thing about putting together a World Champ Aquatix in SoCal is that, like in 1984, the water venues are/were so spread out. Short-track swims, diving and synchro were at USC (with a temporary warm-up pool; now gone). Water polo (no women's yet then) at Pepperdine. No open water swimming yet then.

For their 2016 plan, I think open waters were moved down to Long Beach and the Aquatic Center was either an expanded one again at USC and/or in Irvine. The facilities are all there in SoCal (great pools even in the Mission Viejo areas; but funny though that they had to jerry-rig those temp structure in a Long Beach parking lot for 2004???) except they are soooo spread out and probably the only possible central village would again, either be USC or UC-Irvine. But--OTO, and correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't USA-Swimming have to take the lead in something like this??

And of course, with NBC in flux, the question of a substantial TV contract hangs in the air.

Well that's what I'm saying. There are venues in SoCal, but no one comprehensive site that could host all the aquatics disciplines in one place with adequate space already in place for spectators. And the individual venues that exist need extensive temporary arrangements to seat all the anticipated spectators. Case in point: The Woollet Aquatics center in Irvine, which will be hosting the U.S. Nationals this year as well as the 2010 Pan Pacs two weeks later. Huge temporary stands are being erected around the pool and they are even taking the score-board down to replace it with another one during the competitions. Also, yes, USA Swimming would have to take the lead in expressing a desire for the U.S. to host the FINA Aquatics Worlds. USA Swimming is the official host of the Pan Pacs this year. I know NBC made a deal to promote and air swimming across NBC, Universal Sports (TV and online), and online at SwimNetwork.com until London 2012. Not sure if any deals extend beyond that. SwimNetwork.com is a partnership with NBC Sports/Universal Sports.

P.S. No such thing as "short track" (and I know you meant to say "short course") swims in the Olympic Games. Only long course.

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Actually I wonder how much in Rome was temp vs. permanent in terms of seating.

Take a look at the photo on this page:

http://www.fina.org/H2O/

It looks like they added some temp upper seating.

R u referring to the larger "wallpaper"-type image? Oh yeah, definitely that's expanded temp upper seating. I don't think Rome's pool facilities have viewing stands that large. And that company that FINA uses for its temporary pools (& additional stands) is Italian.

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Actually let me clarify - it would probably USAS - United States Aquatic Sports, that would officially take the lead with FINA. Since Worlds are all Aquatics disciplines, USA Water Polo and USA Diving and USA Syncronized Swimming would need to be involved too, as well as USA Swimming, and USAS is the official U.S. representative to FINA, encompassing all those sports.

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Long Beach lost to Montreal for 2005 Worlds.

Long Beach never bid, and in fact, passed, when the championships were taken away from Montreal for a short period. Eventually, the championships were re awarded to Montreal.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/20/sports/sp-swim20

Long Beach Passes on Championships

SWIMMING

January 20, 2005|Helene Elliott, Times Staff Writer

Long Beach, site of last summer's U.S. Olympic swim trials, will not vie to replace Montreal as host of this summer's World Aquatics Championships, the head of the city's sports council said Wednesday.

FINA, the international governing body for swimming, diving, water polo, synchronized swimming and open-water swimming, canceled its agreement with Montreal to stage the games after Montreal organizers couldn't meet FINA's financial requirements. The event, scheduled July 17-31, was reopened for bidding after a meeting of FINA's 22-member bureau at Frankfurt, Germany.

Long Beach had been mentioned as a replacement. However, Rich Foster, president of the Long Beach Sports Council, said time was too short and hotel rooms too scarce to accommodate an expected influx of 2,000 athletes, coaches, officials, spectators and reporters.

Long Beach also would have had to design and build pools because the temporary pools used for the trials were sold and moved.

"Logistically, economically and in almost every other way, this is too tough a nut to crack," Foster said "It would have been a great event to have in Southern California, but you need two to three years to plan."

Montreal organizers had difficulty attracting sponsors, which left a gaping hole in their budget. FINA had given them until Tuesday to provide assurances they could come up with the money, but the extra time didn't help.

FINA set a deadline of Feb. 15 for new bids.

A spokeswoman for USA Swimming said any other U.S. city interested in pursuing the event could directly contact FINA but added she was not aware of cities capable of hosting it on short notice.

The Greek swim federation, at the urging of FINA, said it would step in but needed approval of the Greek government. It would use facilities from last year's Athens Olympics. Foster said Dubai, which has facilities and funding, might be another option, and Germany's swim federation said it would consider submitting bids from Munich or Berlin.

Incidentally, Montreal was the first city in North America to host the World Aquatics Championships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_World_Aquatics_Championships_bids

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Long Beach never bid, and in fact, passed, when the championships were taken away from Montreal for a short period. Eventually, the championships were re awarded to Montreal.

Incidentally, Montreal was the first city in North America to host the World Aquatics Championships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_World_Aquatics_Championships_bids

Long Beach did bid for Worlds 2005 when Montreal won it. They bidded together with Melbourne and Rio. Montreal won by 1 vote.

Here's the link:

Montreal to Host 2005 FINA Worlds

Long Beach did not bid when Worlds was stripped and subsequently re-awarded to Montreal.

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Hmmm, I could have sworn they considered it, but decided it would be too money losing for them. But I guess I was mistaken.

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It's amazing how Montreal keeps/kept attracting some major meets even after the financially disastrous 1976 SOGs. I mean those 2005 FINA champs, then the 2006 OutGames which also lost money. It's like a bottomless black hole in terms of major meet financing.

But I can see why Long Beach didn't get the 2005 FINAs v. Montreal. Montreal offered a beautiful island setting. What did LB offer? A parking lot!! :wacko: OK, the old Queen Mary's in the background...but not even the QM pool for synchro swimming??

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Russia's Kazan bids for 2015/17 world championships

Russian city Kazan has made a bid to host the swimming world championships in 2015 or 2017, the country's swimming federation said on Wednesday.

Kazan officials said they had submitted the official bid to FINA, the sport's world governing body, at the SportAccord international convention in London on Tuesday.

Kazan, a city near the Volga River, 800 km (500 miles) east of Moscow, is building a 4,500-seat arena for swimming, diving and water polo for the World University Games which it will host in 2013.

"Kazan has a good chance of being selected, having a brand new facility," president of the Russian swimming federation Vladimir Salnikov was quoted as saying by local media.

FINA said four other cities -- Seoul, Budapest, Hong Kong and Marrakech -- have also expressed an interest in staging the 2015 event, with the host city being announced at this year's world swimming championships in Shanghai, China, in July.

The move by Kazan follows a successful bid by Russian resort Sochi to host the 2014 winter Olympics and the country being selected to host the 2018 soccer World Cup.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06042011/2/swimming-russia-kazan-bids-2015-17-world-championships.html

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FINA World Championships 2015 & 2017

Lausanne (SUI), July 5, 2011 – After the deadline (July 4, 2011) to present formal bids, the Cities/National Federations of Guadalajara (MEX), Hong Kong (HKG) and Kazan (RUS) are the final candidates to the organisation of the FINA World Championships 2015, and eventually 2017.

The vote of the FINA Bureau will be made on July 15, 2011 in Shanghai (CHN) after the presentation of the three projects, and if two bids are judged capable of hosting FINA World Championships, the Bureau will award the organisation of the two editions at the same time.

Before 2015 and 2017, the 14th FINA World Championships will take place in Shanghai (CHN) from July 16-31, 2011 and the 15th FINA World Championships will be organised in Barcelona (ESP) from July 19-August 4, 2013.

FINA

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I am thinking Kazan and Hong Kong will be the two winners. Here is hoping for a Toronto 2019 bid.

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Well, I suppose HK was too close and too soon after Shanghai.

Good to see Guadalajara get some future drawcards for the Pan-Am facilities!

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