OneTimeOnly Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Athletic events are held at Ichan Stadium in Long Island, but I don't know if that stadium was in the plans during the 2012 bid. Ichan stadium is on Randall's Island in the city, not out on Long Island, and it's just an athletics field with some grandstands on one side. And then Shea Stadium (or whatever it's called) is right there across the freeway. So it would look really dumb to have these 2 behemoths (sitting empty for most of the year) within a 1/4 mile of each other. They should just a major overhaul on Shea. Shea stadium doesn't exist anymore, it's been torn down. The land originally planned for the OV has since gone to other developers, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stir.ts Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 it should be very outer-borough legacy heavy and anchored. I can see it now... Queens 2024 ....ewwwwwww. And people are saying Reno is tacky?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykfan845 Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 I can see it now... Queens 2024 ....ewwwwwww. And people are saying Reno is tacky?! Really now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stir.ts Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 A.) The City of Industry is nowheresville. There is no there there. It's not a viable site for an Olympic stadium because there are no other venues near it -- in fact there's really not much near it at all. It's around an hour from downtown LA if there's no traffic. If there's traffic it can be 2 hours. It's even farther from the airport. I don't want to go there for an opening cerimony, but it not near as far as you say, maybe 1/2 that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 The New Meadowlands Stadium is one of the stadium sites for the USA's bid for the 2018/2022 FIFA World Cup, so that stadium would be out of the running for a future NYC Olympics bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stir.ts Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Really now? I sorta live about 25% of the time in NYC, and so just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykfan845 Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 The New Meadowlands Stadium is one of the stadium sites for the USA's bid for the 2018/2022 FIFA World Cup, so that stadium would be out of the running for a future NYC Olympics bid. What? What does the 2022 FIFA World Cup have to do with a 2024 bid? I sorta live about 25% of the time in NYC, and so just my opinion. I'm not even sure what that means, but this talk of tackiness and the like is just ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Really now? Exactly. I don't see how "Queens" would be that much different from what London is doing in the borough of "Newham", & nobody is calling those "Newham 2012". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 What? What does the 2022 FIFA World Cup have to do with a 2024 bid? Well, the focus of the United States getting international sporting events is currently on the FIFA World Cup for either 2018 or 2022. After the failure of Chicago 2016, that's the current focus of USA and International Sports right now. We will know by December of this year if the FIFA World Cup bid is like the 1994 FIFA World Cup or if it becomes another Chicago 2016. The Olympic Games is not the focus right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 The Olympic Games is not the focus right now. For good reason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY20?? Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 I sorta live about 25% of the time in NYC, and so just my opinion. It's not an opinion to suggest Queens is separate from New York, because that is in fact wrong. I've always lived in Manhattan but it is ample time that people star realizing that New York City is not Manhattan. Queens is an amazingly diverse borough in every respect - anchoring the Olympic Games there makes perfect poetic (and practical) sense. It really shouldn't be OLYMPIC STADIUM IN THE MIDDLE OF MANHATTAN... or nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykfan845 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Well, the focus of the United States getting international sporting events is currently on the FIFA World Cup for either 2018 or 2022. After the failure of Chicago 2016, that's the current focus of USA and International Sports right now. We will know by December of this year if the FIFA World Cup bid is like the 1994 FIFA World Cup or if it becomes another Chicago 2016. The Olympic Games is not the focus right now. That still doesn't prove your original point at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) It's not an opinion to suggest Queens is separate from New York, because that is in fact wrong. I've always lived in Manhattan but it is ample time that people star realizing that New York City is not Manhattan. Queens is an amazingly diverse borough in every respect - anchoring the Olympic Games there makes perfect poetic (and practical) sense. It really shouldn't be OLYMPIC STADIUM IN THE MIDDLE OF MANHATTAN... or nothing. But you also cann't have no events in Manhattan either. There needs to be a balance. But I agree that if NYC can come up with a feasible axis plan like they did for 2012 it would work. Transportation in NYC is good and getting around the various venues should be no more troublesome then going around London on the tube. Edited April 5, 2010 by Faster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) The New Meadowlands Stadium is one of the stadium sites for the USA's bid for the 2018/2022 FIFA World Cup, so that stadium would be out of the running for a future NYC Olympics bid. Huh? I mean the L.A. Memorial Coliseum was built for Los Angeles 1932 and was used again 52 years later for 1984...so I don't see how the new Meadowland Giants Stadium. built in 2009, would be off-limits to an Olympic bid in say the late 20s or the 2030s?? Wow!! New York City is that rich to quickly dismiss that and put up another stadium which it couldn't even do for 2012? Edited April 5, 2010 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) But you also cann't have no events in Manhattan either. There needs to be a balance. But I agree that if NYC can come up with a feasible axis plan like they did for 2012 it would work. Transportation in NYC is good and getting around the various venues should be no more troublesome then going around London on the tube. Using London as a comparison is interesting. Surprisingly little of our venue plan involves the City or Westminster, the parts of London which I suppose are equivilent to Manhattan in terms of what people think of when they think of the city. As long as New York can utilise the backdrop of Manhattan for the marathon, get Central Park in on the act, and perhaps set up some temporary "on-location" venues (in the same way London is doing for the beach Volleyball near Buckingham Palace, for example), then that ought to be enough. Of course, you then do what London is also doing, and set up Live Sites in the centre. For big screens and events in Trafalgar Sq read big screens and events in Times Sq. For concerts and performances on a big stage in Hyde Park read concerts and performances on a big stage in Central Park. You get the picture. Edited April 5, 2010 by RobH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY20?? Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 As per the 2012 bid, Manhattan would host the triathlon at Central Park, basketball at Madison Square Garden, some indoor sports at the Javits Convention Center, boxing at a renovated 369tht Regiment Armory, and field hockey at the northern tip of the borough at Columbia University's Baker Field. Road cycling and the marathon would be involved too of course. The 69th Regiment Armory might be able to host a small indoor sport, but it wasn't included for 2012. Javits was suppose to be expanded, so it's possible that it may not be able to host as much sports as intended for 2012. And I can't see where a temporary venue would fit inside this island. Maybe a temporary pier somewhere in the vicinity of the West Village or Chelsea? The 2012 bid called for Beach Volleyball and the Aquatics Center in Brooklyn right across the river from Manhattan. But I'm not sure if that land is or will still be available, seeing as how quickly northwestern Brooklyn is getting gentrified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 So how does the new Brooklyn Nets arena affect any future bid New York City might have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) So how does the new Brooklyn Nets arena affect any future bid New York City might have? Well, if that Russian owner of the Nets will allow his arena to be part of a future NYC bid, then good, that's another pawn in the jigsaw puzzle in place. But for the most part, that only fulfills a "B" hole. It's the "A" pegs that have to be filled the right ways...and those are the Olympic Stadium, the Olympic Village, the swimming and gymnastics venues. If those four have solid placements, then everything else will fall into place. Edited April 5, 2010 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 And would they be called the Brooklyn Nets or the New York Nets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis D Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Strange how there's all this talk about practical games when it seems the IOC just loves (even if they'll never publicly admit it) unreasonably extravagant games requiring numerous ostentatious white elephants. In that vain we should probably be talking about where NYC can situate a $3 billion behemoth that no one will even be allowed to enter ever again once the games are over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Well, if that Russian owner of the Nets will allow his arena to be part of a future NYC bid, then good, that's another pawn in the jigsaw puzzle in place. But for the most part, that only fulfills a "B" hole. It's the "A" pegs that have to be filled the right ways...and those are the Olympic Stadium, the Olympic Village, the swimming and gymnastics venues. If those four have solid placements, then everything else will fall into place. I would think that Gymnastics would take place at Nassau Coliseum along with indoor volleyball. That would leave the Garden and the Brooklyn arena for basketball. Unless of course, the plan is for wrestling, judo, fencing and other indoor based sports to take place inside Nassau Coliseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 This is something at least a dozen years away. Those placements /\, while they have been planned in the past, could be switched around for another future run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 A dozen years away? Will Bloomberg still be mayor by then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 A dozen years away? Will Bloomberg still be mayor by then? Will he? You know something we don't? All I'm saying is that the earliest chance for a probable NYC bid...if the USOC wants to work with them...remember the USOC did NOT want to work with Bloomberg's crew for 2016...would probably be 2022 for maybe a 2032 run. I believe the USOC will be occupied with other matters before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I would think that Gymnastics would take place at Nassau Coliseum along with indoor volleyball. That would leave the Garden and the Brooklyn arena for basketball. Unless of course, the plan is for wrestling, judo, fencing and other indoor based sports to take place inside Nassau Coliseum. Nassau is too old. and how far is Uniondale from Manhattan? Nassau Coliseum right now is the third oldest stadium in the NHL. by the opening of Pittsburgh's Consol Energy Center expected this year it will be the second oldest after MSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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