Soaring Posted May 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I know the chances for Seattle hosting are slim to none. But if it ever could be achieved, I would prefer Seattle over Houston, Philly, Miami, Minneapolis, or any of those other 3rd tiers. I think at this point Chicago or NYC really would be the most viable in terms of pulling it together for a SOG, but again the will power of these cities is questionable to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 The OV on the Jersey side of what? On the Jersey side of things. If the Giants stadium in the Meadowlands is going to be used, say as the Olympic Stadium, and there is a lot of undeveloped land around there, that's the only viable land I see for an Olympic Village. SO might as well make it close to the Meadowlands complex. And don't tell me it's on the NJ side of things. I had a solution to that. Refer to my previous posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTimeOnly Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 On the Jersey side of things. If the Giants stadium in the Meadowlands is going to be used, say as the Olympic Stadium, and there is a lot of undeveloped land around there, that's the only viable land I see for an Olympic Village. SO might as well make it close to the Meadowlands complex. And don't tell me it's on the NJ side of things. I had a solution to that. Refer to my previous posts. I would share *nothing* with New Jersey. That's would be like South Korea sharing the games with North Korea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I know the chances for Seattle hosting are slim to none. But if it ever could be achieved, I would prefer Seattle over Houston, Philly, Miami, Minneapolis, or any of those other 3rd tiers. I think at this point Chicago or NYC really would be the most viable in terms of pulling it together for a SOG, but again the will power of these cities is questionable to say the least. I hear you and I agree in terms of personal preference. I just think Houston, Philly and Miami are feasible and Seattle isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted May 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I hear you and I agree in terms of personal preference. I just think Houston, Philly and Miami are feasible and Seattle isn't. I agree that they can be seen as more "feasible" than Seattle, but my preference remains the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympian Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 my preference will be Boston. but their biggest problem is where to put a new stadium and it post-games use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTimeOnly Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Houston? Nasty. Get real, it's in Texas. Miami? Nope. Too oppressively hot, ugly unless you're at the beach. Philly? Too small and insignificant. Seattle would trump all three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Seattle would trump all three. Yeah, with rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Seattle is a FANTASTIC city, but the Olympics are simply not feasible there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Have you ever tried going to downtown Seattle on a Saturday night? Back in 1990, they couldn't even host the entire Goodwill Games back then. They had to share it with Tacoma (which it would be in any future OG) PLUS as far away as Spokane...because that's where we ended up going just to see the Women's Indoor Volleyball. It's too small, congested and rainy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTimeOnly Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 Yeah, with rain. When was the last time you were in Seattle? In the Summer? And do you have any close friends who are born and bred Seattlites? Because I do. Have you ever tried going to downtown Seattle on a Saturday night? Back in 1990, they couldn't even host the entire Goodwill Games back then. They had to share it with Tacoma (which it would be in any future OG) PLUS as far away as Spokane...because that's where we ended up going just to see the Women's Indoor Volleyball. It's too small, congested and rainy. Baron- The San Francisco 2016 plan had a surprising number of events within the city's 7x7, 49 Square Miles. If SFO could probably do it, Seattle could too. And San Francisco would deal with it's infamous fog, so six of one, half a dozen of the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 When was the last time you were in Seattle? In the Summer? And do you have any close friends who are born and bred Seattlites? Because I do. Alright there sparky... Don't really understand the point, if any, you're trying to make... My comment was more out of jest, than a serious comment. As, London, well known for rain is hosting 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTimeOnly Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 See this climate chart for precipitation data for Seattle for the months of July-August. As you see, Seattle has it's least amount of rainfall during those months. Seattle Climate Chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic USA Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 Or not unless La Guardia will be closed anytime soon. I seriously doubt that La Guardia will be closed anytime soon - the rich businessmen in Manhattan will never let that happen as they prefer LGA over Newark and JFK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTimeOnly Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I seriously doubt that La Guardia will be closed anytime soon - the rich businessmen in Manhattan will never let that happen as they prefer LGA over Newark and JFK. Unless they are flying to LAX/SFO, in which case, JFK is their only choice if they want a non-stop and if they want three class service (First/Business/Coach). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic USA Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 Unless they are flying to LAX/SFO, in which case, JFK is their only choice if they want a non-stop and if they want three class service (First/Business/Coach). I am well aware of the perimeter rule at LGA but numbers clearly show that the majority of O&D passengers to and from Manhattan prefer to use LGA over JFK and EWR. Either way, LGA will never be torn down - for the simple matter that doing so would but further strain on EWR and JFK, which are already horribly congested as is. You are correct though if they want non-stop to the west coast or Internationally then they have to use JFK or EWR. Trust me, you are not the only aviation buff on GamesBids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'm really close to a much smaller airport than a major one. My flight options from the smaller one are that I would have to connect 90% of the time no matter where I go. The major one has mega non-stop options. Personally, if it's a matter of convenience (& sanity), I much rather use the smaller airport that's very close to me, even though I'd most certainly have to connect somewhere else, versus using the major one with many non-stop flights that's over an hour away, & that's with no traffic. I'd rather sit my a$s down at an airport lounge reading a book, having lunch or make a phone call or whatever for 60-90 minutes while I wait for my connection versus driving well over an hour to the major airport & wrestling with traffic (& if there's heavy traffic/incident, forget it. And not to mention the longer lines at the major airport) & risk missing my flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted June 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 My experience with Midway Airport in Chicago is most definitely better in terms of delays compared to O'Hare, but since both have an decent public transit to them (Blue and Orange line trains), it doesn't matter too much. I usually fly out of Midway for domestic flights, and use O'Hare for international. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim856796 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Venue plan for a Summer Olympics in New York City Ceremonies: New Olympic Stadium Archery: new venue Diving: new venue Swimming: new venue Synchronised Swimming: new venue Water Polo: new venue Athletics: New Olympic Stadium Badminton: New Convention Centre Basketball: Brooklyn Arena - 18,000 Boxing: Nassau Coliseum - 17,500 Canoe/Kayak Sprint: New Flushing Meadows Rowing Basin Canoe/Kayak Slalom: undetermined venue BMX: Staten Island Mountain Biking: Staten Island Road Cycling: Staten island Track Cycling: new venue Equestrian: new venue Fencing: New Convention Centre Field Hockey: undetermined venue Football: Meadowlands Stadium - 82,566 Golf: undetermined venue Artistic Gymnastics: Madison Square Garden - 21,000 Rhythmic Gymnastics: Madison Square Garden - 21,000 Trampolining: Madison Square Garden - 21,000 Handball: Newark Arena - 18,500 Judo: New Convention Centre Modern Pentathlon: undetermined venue Rowing: New Flushing Meadows Rowing Basin Rugby 7s: undetermined venue Sailing: undetermined venue Shooting: new venue Table Tennis: New Convention Centre Taekwondo: New Convention Centre Tennis: USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center - 22,527, 10,200, 6,000 Triathlon: Central Park Beach Volleyball: new venue Indoor Volleyball: Meadowlands Arena - 20,000 Weightlifting: New Convention Centre Wrestling: New Convention Centre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 and thats final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim856796 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 ^^And that's a fail, Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted August 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 all of those new venues make Chicago's old bid plan seem easier to stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 2024 may be pushing it, but 2028 definitely has potential. The biggest question is the leadership. In which city will a group of smart, charismatic organizers emerge? That is by far the most important criteria in determining whether or not a bid gets off the ground and whether it has a legitimate shot at winning. Yes, the venues are a significant issue and NYC has a big hill to climb in terms of a stadium and the village. Still, the leadership is more important. If capable people don't have a strong will to stage the Olympics, then it's game over. The leadership might surface in NYC or it might show up in Chicago or San Francisco (the most dubious IMO). L.A. has the ever persevering SCCOG which, though it doesn't constitute bid leadership, does maintain consistent Olympic momentum, which is an asset. Any of those cities could stage great Games. I strongly believe the leadership will be the biggest determining factor in deciding which one steps up to the plate. (Incidentally, it has recently occurred to me that one of the potential legacies of an L.A. Games would be mass transportation. L.A. is a city badly in need of improved mass transportation and that could be a selling point both to locals and to the IOC.) One of the things Chicago 2016 revealed about the bid process is that the bid must not only be technically superior, it must tell a story. It must have some kind of hook. That central vision is the most important thing that the bid leaders must develop. Chicago failed to do so. They put forward a plan and said "we want the Games." Not good enough. Rio said, "We are a rising economic power and our continent has NEVER hosted." Madrid said, "We have demonstrated consistent passion for the Olympic movement, passion symbolized by the dedicated service of Juan Antonio Samaranch. Honor his legacy and our national enthusiasm for the Games." Those were the only two stories that emerged from the bid. Consequently, those two duked it out in the final. Whether it is NYC or any other city, the next American bid must tell a compelling story. The leadership of that bid must figure out what that story is and communicate it powerfully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 One of the things Chicago 2016 revealed about the bid process is that the bid must not only be technically superior, it must tell a story. It must have some kind of hook. Really good point Athensfan. It's a factor I've started to believe more and more in, especially after reading Mike Lee's account of the London bid. As he made clear, London knew it could mount a bid technically competitive against any other. But it needed that "story" to differentiate from the others. And so was born London's focus on "Youth" and engaging the young in the future of the games and sports. And watching how London has painstakingly integrated this all the way through its preparations now, I've been impressed how they really took it on as the core value of their games. I think the need for a story or hook is going to get more important as inevitably more and more past hosts start to bid again. It's not enough any more to pledge an "Athlete's Games" or "Green Games" (unless prospective hosts can really take such cliches to another level) - most candidate cities now pledge varying degrees of those. Maybe a suggestion for New York could be to downplay the American-ness and pitch itself as the "World's City", and pledge to bring the games to the most international city in the world? Preach internationalism rather than Manhattan, Broadway and Lady Liberty. That's assuming, of course, New Yorkers will ever be interested in bidding down the track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted August 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 I agree Athens, Chicago 2016 did not tell a compelling story, even though they tried. They could have taped into the uniqueness of a truly "Urban Olympics" with regeneration of the south and west sides of the city at the core of the theme. They could have focused more on the city's African heritage, being that the first settler was of African descent, former slaves arrived into the city for new opportunities, and of course the hometown of the first African American president. They should have pushed youth sport even further, although the creation of World Sport Chicago was a step in the right direction. We could have told a more compelling story about our immigrant heritage, and how we are a city of the world, and how everyone will find a piece of their home here. Their venues should have been more interesting, especially since we have amazing architects in this city. Accessibility could have also been showcased in a better way. Public transit improvements should have also played a greater role in the bid plan. Overall, Chicago 2016 played it safe. I think this was in partly due to the economy, and not taking the risk of over promising, especially with the critical eyes of the opposition. All in all, I think we did the best that we could have done in hindsight. It is rare for cities to win on their first bid in quite some time, so hopefully we are fortunate enough to have the opportunity once more, but it really is dependent on future leadership in the city. If Chicago can't host, my support goes to NYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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