Gangwon Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 I agree, it's hard to deny the appeal of the Asian Games when one of the sporting superpowers of the world takes part in it, and takes part in it seriously.
afiqnadzir Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 its depend on where do you live..in asia,we are not familiar with pan am,and we think asian games is 2nd largest games behind olympic in the number of participant, audience,sport,medal,country,media and it more succesful.. ASIAN GAMES country participation 45 sport 44 summer games 16 winter games 7times PAN AM GAMES country participation 42 sport 36 summer games 16 winter games 1
tikus_kecil Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Mmmm Indonesia... Perhaps they'll need to showcase more Surabaya (forgive me if it's misspeled ) but i like the idea of not going with the capital city but a provincial one... ¡Arriba la descentralización! *sorry i dont know the english word for that... Why we don't propose Jakarta as our candidate, it's simple, because we won't win the bid if we insist with Jakarta, Jakarta has a traffic jam problem, pollutant problem, over-population problem and a lot of more, while Surabaya is more friendly than Jakarta, other than that, I think Indonesia try to de-centralize the sport centre, last sea games hosted by Palembang, next ISG will be held in Pekanbaru, even once there is rumour that Indonesia wants to bid YOG with Bali/Jakarta
intoronto Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Why? All the confederations have different ways to decide on their qualifiers. Nothing is cut-&-dried in the world, even more so in sports. @intoronto... Further, the Asians are the quadrennial of what? some 3.5 billion people in the world; half the planet. The PanAms represent only like 850-900 million people -- about 1/7th of the world. So how can the latter even come close to the former in that regard? I am no denying the Asian Games are the biggest in terms of athletes, sports. But you have to look at the fact the Asian Games have no qualification making it have some athletes and teams that have no business being there. The Pan Ams are qualification in every sport and after to the Olympics so it is a more prestigious event for some sports and is more important then the Asian Games.
tikus_kecil Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 ^^ I agree with afiq, it's depend on where are you come from... If you are an asian, of course asian games is between 2nd / 3rd important event, right after FIFA World cup, Summer Olympic, then the Asiad, or simply after Olympic then Asiad, there is no PanAm in Asian minds, but if you are american, of course there is no Asian games in your mind
baron-pierreIV Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 I am no denying the Asian Games are the biggest in terms of athletes, sports. But you have to look at the fact the Asian Games have no qualification making it have some athletes and teams that have no business being there. The Pan Ams are qualification in every sport and after to the Olympics so it is a more prestigious event for some sports and is more important then the Asian Games. Therefore you're really talking 'quality' of the event...rather than numbers. See, that's something like being a connoseiur of something..wine. dog shows, orchids, etc.. An expert knows all the fine details and shadings, but the average fan wouldn't be wise to those nuances. But that doesn't change the rankings of these Games in largeness. You are using 2 different sets of standards. And y r u only comparing the PanAms v. Asians? What about the All-Africa Games or the Micronesian Games? There aren't even Euro Games. You can't mix the 2 sets of criteria.
intoronto Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Therefore you're really talking 'quality' of the event...rather than numbers. See, that's something like being a connoseiur of something..wine. dog shows, orchids, etc.. An expert knows all the fine details and shadings, but the average fan wouldn't be wise to those nuances. But that doesn't change the rankings of these Games in largeness. You are using 2 different sets of standards. And y r u only comparing the PanAms v. Asians? What about the All-Africa Games or the Micronesian Games? There aren't even Euro Games. You can't mix the 2 sets of criteria. Cuz the Pan ams and the Asians came up along with the Commonwealth games in terms of biggest events.
Sir Rols Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Qualification, schqualification. It doesn't add up to any more interest in them. And after you (intoronto) pointed out this did not include swimming and athletics - what's the point? An oceania olympic football qualifying tournament is not bigger than, say, a confederations cup because it's a qualifier. The more i think about it, the more I consider there's no way the Pan Ams can lay any claim to being second.
intoronto Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Qualification, schqualification. It doesn't add up to any more interest in them. And after you (intoronto) pointed out this did not include swimming and athletics - what's the point? An oceania olympic football qualifying tournament is not bigger than, say, a confederations cup because it's a qualifier. The more i think about it, the more I consider there's no way the Pan Ams can lay any claim to being second. In terms of importance the Pan Ams are far in the way more important. Asian Games are larger. Do you think an Asian Games with the Maldives women;s basketball team getting destroyed by over 100 points is more prestigious then a Canada-Argentina field hockey game?
Sir Rols Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Well, if it makes you happy to think that, hold onto that thought. I can't see that there's any contest.
intoronto Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Well, if it makes you happy to think that, hold onto that thought. I can't see that there's any contest. What do you mean by " I can't see that there's any contest" its pretty obvious the impact the Pan Am games have on the Olympics. In 2015 expect the top athletes in athletes to compete Canada will send their best and no doubt the other countries will (majority skipped due to the October start). Yet we still had World championship medalists take part. Same with swimming only Canada and the USA don't send their top athletes the other countries do.
Sir Rols Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Same with swimming only Canada and the USA don't send their top athletes the other countries do. So expect a second rate swim meet then. Not even up to the standard of a Pan-Pacs Swim Champs. You're just basing your aggrandising of the Pan Ams on a very intangible personal rating. When each and every objective measure would argue against it.
intoronto Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 So expect a second rate swim meet then. Not even up to the standard of a Pan-Pacs Swim Champs. You're just basing your aggrandising of the Pan Ams on a very intangible personal rating. When each and every objective measure would argue against it. Even the second string Canadian and American swimmers mixed with Brazil's top swimmers are better then most of Asia. I ain't doubting its a bigger event (the Asian Games) there is a reason why (the Pan-Ams are limited as opposed to the Asians being unlimited)
deawebo Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Asia just has good swimming in Korea (frees) , Japan (breastroke and backstroke) , and China (womens and long distance) but Brazil has better swimmers, obviously the USA does better...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 OK, Int...here's the rub. Why should the Asians, right now, held in the mid-Olympic, WOG-World Cup-year hold their Olympic qualifiers TWO YEARS away from the OGs? R they nuts? The only reason the PanAms, as you like to make the strange distinction, hold SOME Olympic qualifers, is because they are held the year just before the Olympics. So that makes total sense. But just because one multi-nat'l Games doesn't hold the qualifiers like the other one, doesn't MAKE them any less. And regardless of whether there are qualifiers or NOT, the Asians are STILL larger than the PanAms. Now come 2019, the Asians and the PanAms will align and thus be held in the same year just before the OGs. So the Asians can only "improve in quality"...as it would appear in your estimation.
Ikarus360 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 Thank god they picked Surabaya over Palembang. I guess it was after the badly organized SEA Games they did. I think this will be Taipei or UAE. However, China wouldn't like the idea of an Asiad being host on Taipei so they will try stopping it somehow (although they couldn't prevent Taipei from getting the Universiade). I got the feeling UAE will get it since East Asia already hosted two games in a row, and they would prefer giving them to another region like the Middle East (however is a bit too soon after Doha.)
walei Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Thank god they picked Surabaya over Palembang. I guess it was after the badly organized SEA Games they did. I think this will be Taipei or UAE. However, China wouldn't like the idea of an Asiad being host on Taipei so they will try stopping it somehow (although they couldn't prevent Taipei from getting the Universiade). I got the feeling UAE will get it since East Asia already hosted two games in a row, and they would prefer giving them to another region like the Middle East (however is a bit too soon after Doha.) Again, according to the mayor of Taipei City who lead the delegation of the Universiade bid, China actually supported Taipei and pushed the city to get the win over Brasilia 13-9. Now Asian Games is a much more high profile event so I don't know how Beijing feels about that, but with the ever increasing ties between Taipei and Beijing economically, China may once again show some friendliness. I think Taipei's biggest obstacle now will be the internal politics as the opposition DPP will be vicious in shooting everything down and whether the city's finance can support two major international events in two years.
tikus_kecil Posted February 17, 2012 Report Posted February 17, 2012 Thank god they picked Surabaya over Palembang. I guess it was after the badly organized SEA Games they did. I think this will be Taipei or UAE. However, China wouldn't like the idea of an Asiad being host on Taipei so they will try stopping it somehow (although they couldn't prevent Taipei from getting the Universiade). I got the feeling UAE will get it since East Asia already hosted two games in a row, and they would prefer giving them to another region like the Middle East (however is a bit too soon after Doha.) Agree with you, although Palembang just built a world class sport complex, but they are not ready yet to host Asian Games, Surabaya is better choice, I don't know why many people her talk about it's between China Taipei and UAE, the last 3 Asiad came from this region, so I think 2019 as a new Asiad, it also need a new region, and with this maybe Indonesia and Vietnam (located in South East Asia) could be a better option
tikus_kecil Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Indonesia is bidding to be host for the 1st ever AFC Asian Cup U - 22, with 4 cities, Jakarta, Bandung, Palembang and Pekanbaru (no Surabaya in there), it's strange but fun, we really bid a lot of event now, no wonder if Tokyo fail 2020, then we will bid for 2028...
deawebo Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Mmm Indonesia bidding for the olympics in 2028 i guess they'll have best chances around the 40's first they need to get the infrastructure and then the experience... an Asiad...
tikus_kecil Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Hahahaha agree with you daweebo, but do you now, before 98 crisis, around 1995's we aimed to host 2008 olympic in Jakarta, but at 1998 the crisis hit us so badly then that plan never been heard again, then right now, our economic grow is maybe 3rd or 2nd in the world, we aim Asiad 2019, we bid AFC youth cup, i believe after this , we'll try to bid either YOG or maybe directly to SOG , but I do agree with you, we need to build a better infrastructure, but the selection for 2028 is in 2020, so who know what will happen in 2020 ?
afiqnadzir Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 i wonder when kuala lumpur or singapore will be hosting asian games..
tikus_kecil Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Singapore won't be a host for Asiad , they just don't have any space to build sport complex that adequate to host an event as big as asiad, while for KL it's depend on your govt, because if 2019 is designed to be in South East Asia, then KL and Bangkok are the readiest city to host the games, but if your govt refuse to host the games, then let Indonesia or Vietnam to take the chance , BTW Indonesia just signed to be the host for Superbike in 2014, Superstars Racing in 2012, try to bid the WRC in 2015, try to bid the MotoGP in 2015/2016 and try to bid F1 in 2016/2017 , seems like we want to chase Malaysia to host all the games in Indonesia
afiqnadzir Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 are u sure about singapore? as i know ,they already start the construction for sport hub,one of the best in asia...is will completed by end of 2014 The facilities of the new 35-hectare Sports Hub will comprise: A new 60 000 capacity National Stadium with a retractable roof and comfort cooling for spectators; A 3,000-capacity indoor Aquatic Centre complete with leisure facilities, expandable to 6,000-capacity for specific events that meets world tournament standards; A 3,000-capacity Multi-purpose Indoor Arena which will be scalable, modular and flexible in layout; 41,000 sq m of commercial space for leisure, shopping and dining activities; A Water Sports Centre to enhance sports offerings in the Kallang Basin; The existing 12,000-capacity Singapore Indoor Stadium featuring an exciting line-up of vibrant entertainment; Sports Promenade and Community Facilities; A Sports Information and Resource Centre (SIRC), comprising a library, a museum and an exhibition centre; The new Stadium MRT Station on the Circle MRT Line will serve the Hub when it is completed.
tikus_kecil Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Wow, I never heard about that, are they have the space to build that ?
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