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And yes, I stick to my Reno remark, aside from Casino culture (which will always be 2nd rate to Las Vegas) and the fact that any alpine/winter culture will mostly be associated with Lake Tahoe, what else is there? .

My Lord! What more is there in little dinky Lake Placid! What is it with you & these fanatical "bids", i.e. Lake Placid, Baku-ku, Edmonton, etc. :wacko:

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Who said all the infrastructure was temporary? The primary reasons to pick Lake Placid is what's already there. A 7,700 seat arena, the Ski Jumps, Biathlon/Cross Country Course, Sliding Center and of course Whiteface mountain. No worries about building Ski Jumps and a Sliding Track for a mere 2 week event, it's already there. A new Speed Skating oval could be permanent. Saranac Lake could serve Ice Hockey II at 4,000 or so. Tupper Lake would host Curling at a 3,000 seat permanent venue.

So let's see.. all you need then is a figure skating/short track venue, a primary hockey venue, a curling venue, a speed skating oval, a freestyle skiing venue, a snowboarding venue, a main stadium, housing for 2 1/2 times the athletes they had in 1980, far more media and press they had in 1980, improved roadways to connect what's now a much more spread out venue plan, transportation to get athletes and spectators between venues (which was a big issue last time), and hotels for everyone else to stay. And your justification for this is that you'd already have 1 arena, a ski jump, and the sliding track in place. There's no way you're gonna get all the rest built in such a rural area. You're better off building a new sliding track somewhere else and working in a city that could actually use the rest of the infrastructure.

And yes, I stick to my Reno remark, aside from Casino culture (which will always be 2nd rate to Las Vegas) and the fact that any alpine/winter culture will mostly be associated with Lake Tahoe, what else is there? They don't even have an arena capable of having an ice rink, let alone skating/hockey culture. How will they market the Ski Jumps and Sliding Track? Surely that would be a permanent feature that's not necessary for the region and offering them as Temporary would question the costs.

As opposed to what you want to offer for Lake Placid? Reno has a stadium suitable for the ceremonies. Lake Placid does not. Reno has a convention center to handle the IBC/MMC that's probably already big enough with little change (or that could be used as an arena). Lake Placid does not. They have an airport, again while not all that large, makes things easier than driving from Montreal or from Albany. And yes, they do have 2 arenas that, while small, could potentially host events. They could certainly justify at least 1 more permanent arena in the 10,000 seat range to get built, something that Lake Placid (and the surrounding lakes) have little to no use for outside of the Olympics.

So yea, I'll also stick to my Reno remark that if you believe they're a less suitable/less likely Olympic host than Lake Placid, you officially have no clue.

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My Lord! What more is there in little dinky Lake Placid! What is it with you & these fanatical "bids", i.e. Lake Placid, Baku-ku, Edmonton, etc. :wacko:

Well Baku is actually bidding and if Istanbul doesn't get 2020, then a 2024 bid will be significantly stronger than the past 2, especially given experience gathered from the upcoming European Games.

As for Edmonton, that was just a proposal, I never actually mentioned any sort of proper bid from them, however if they do bid and get the 2022 Commonwealth Games, this could be a stepping stone for a potential bid, the likes of Lille and so forth, but without the huge logistical distances and such.

It's the Winter Olympics. It would be nice to see them come over to another small city or "village" town every now and then. Give back some of that old village feel that it's lost in recent big city Olympics.

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Asked and answered. Go back and read this thread. Quaker, your opinion affects me least of all.

I did re-read the thread. That's why I went back and found 2 claims that seem like they're factually incorrect. So I'm curious why you believe that Anchorage is in better shape facilities-wise than Reno? Or that the Reno-Tahoe area is full of 1-star accommodations? Unless somehow I'm mis-quoting you there. You seem to very matter-of-factly tell us what the RTWGC's plans are and don't seem to be willing to give them any benefit of the doubt.

I'm just calling a spade a spade here. I don't care if you're affected by my opinions or not. It just gets tiring when on the rare occasions there's a serious discussion of a Reno-Tahoe Olympics going on, it's almost as if you have to balance out baron's cheerleading for Reno (much of which we know by now not to take seriously) with a "Reno is awful no matter what else says" viewpoint and arguments that just don't hold water. And in case you hadn't noticed, I'm not exactly the only person who sees it.

It's the Winter Olympics. It would be nice to see them come over to another small city or "village" town every now and then. Give back some of that old village feel that it's lost in recent big city Olympics.

See, I don't disagree with that assessment. It would be nice to see the Winter Olympics return to their roots somewhat and take place in a nice mountain village setting like we saw with Lillehammer. But it's just not in the cards. That's not what the IOC is looking for anymore. Maybe some day they'll find a way to make that work again. But if they do, it's still probably not going to be Lake Placid. That they had the 1980 Olympics is a miracle in itself (and remember.. Vancouver was initially in the running until they withdrew before the vote). I just can't see a workable scenario where they'd even want to try again.

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You think you're calling a spade a spade. You always do. I've already explained it to your buddy, FYI. I'm not going to repeat myself. It basically boils down to a willingness to invest and build. That seems possible in Anchorage and virtually ruled out in Reno by their own civic leaders.

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Ugh, Athensfan. Please don't drag me in to your little Reno/anchorage spat with Quaker.

Of course it boils down to a willingness to invest & build (most of the time). That's not a big revelation that you've bestowed upon us. But we don't know yet what Reno will ultimately propose.

Yeah, perhaps that's been their way of thought before. But they could chance their tune. But if they don't, & they want to be as cheap as possible & spread everything out like a whore, then I would totally agree with you that they're a non-starter. But let's see their final draft first. But anyway, I digress now.

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1. They don't even have an arena capable of having an ice rink, let alone skating/hockey culture.

2. How will they market the Ski Jumps and Sliding Track?

1. Ever heard of building? Uhmmm...Beijing, London, Sochi, PC...to bring up some recent names that might ring a bell.

WOrst case scenario, they'll close down IKEA and Costco stores, and voila!! you have 2 ice-hockey arenas!! :lol:

2. With great aplomb! They way other sites market their ski jumps and sliding trax. Don't tell me, in that good old fashioned AthensFan way of thinking, that building new things and visualing new facilities not just in Reno, but in any town you illogically hate, were just put under a moratorium with the sign "NO FUTURE BUILDING...NOR CREATIVE THINKING ALLOWED IN THIS AREA!" :lol:

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You think you're calling a spade a spade. You always do. I've already explained it to your buddy, FYI. I'm not going to repeat myself. It basically boils down to a willingness to invest and build. That seems possible in Anchorage and virtually ruled out in Reno by their own civic leaders.

I am calling a spade a spade. Even this post furthers that for me. I know you don't care, and I don't care that you don't care, just pointing out the double standard. Because it gets tiresome when I say that I've (to use your phrase) "virtually ruled out" New York from the 2024 bidding but yet you constantly need to tell us "we have no way of knowing" what's up with New York. And then here, you seem so convinced you know what's going on with Reno, not only will you present opinion as fact, you're trying to back it up with incorrect facts. None of this is a new revelation, but yea, I'm gonna call a spade a spade.

I'm done. Moving on.. hopefully to a rational discussion of Reno-Tahoe as a potential Olympic host compared to the other U.S. contenders, although this site seems to have trouble with that one.

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lol high school as a press centre? is that a joke?

Well it was used in 1980 as the Press Center.

Not to mention that with individual rooms, and an existing cafeteria, an auditorium, etc, it could work. Any expansion would be a legacy to the school and community as well.

The alternative is to propose a temporary IBC as MPC as well and make it MMC.

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Well it was used in 1980 as the Press Center.

Not to mention that with individual rooms, and an existing cafeteria, an auditorium, etc, it could work. Any expansion would be a legacy to the school and community as well.

The alternative is to propose a temporary IBC as MPC as well and make it MMC.

Vancouver Convention Centre... Salt Palace Convention Center... Lake Placid High School

And yes, these are all to the same scale. Are you seriously talking about using high school classrooms, a cafeteria and an auditorium as your press center? In this day and age of technology, with the press requirements what they are (and likely weren't in 1980) you actually think that could work? Yea, what a great legacy.. let's cancel school for about 2 months so they can use the high school for the world's media.

The alternative is that Lake Placid is too small to host an Olympics. This CANNOT work. That Lake Placid got the Olympics in 1980 was something of a fluke, so they could get away with a plan like they had. There is ZERO chance it could happen again. Please stop it with this pipe dream of a Lake Placid/Tri Lakes Olympics and telling us how this is viable. It's not. There is no universe in which the IOC would accept this as a viable plan for a Winter Olympics. You are so far beyond delusional if you believe otherwise.

Someone get Lord David a strait jacket.. he is clinically insane!!

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let's cancel school for about 2 months so they can use the high school for the world's media.

I was gonna say the kids would be on summer holidays for the two months ... but then remembered this is the Winter Olympics. But even saying they would get a two-month holiday - what about the 8-12 months in the lead-up where the school would need to be vacant so the centre could be kitted up so it could serve the world's press?

Remember, LD is the guy whose answer to other insurmountable obstacles in the way of his favourite prospective WOG hosts is: "easy - just divert a river or raise a mountain". Actually, maybe that's the answer to Sweden's and Finland's WOG shortcomings - easy, let's just bang some continental plates together!

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I was gonna say the kids would be on summer holidays for the two months ... but then remembered this is the Winter Olympics. But even saying they would get a two-month holiday - what about the 8-12 months in the lead-up where the school would need to be vacant so the centre could be kitted up so it could serve the world's press?

Remember, LD is the guy whose answer to other insurmountable obstacles in the way of his favourite prospective WOG hosts is: "easy - just divert a river or raise a mountain". Actually, maybe that's the answer to Sweden's and Finland's WOG shortcomings - easy, let's just bang some continental plates together!

I don't forget his proposition to Nairobi as a Olympic city bid...

I agree with you. The simple idea of using a High School as a Press Center is simple :rolleyes: . Again, between 1980 and 2013, it cames with big changes in technology and politics.

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Vancouver Convention Centre... Salt Palace Convention Center... Lake Placid High School

And yes, these are all to the same scale. Are you seriously talking about using high school classrooms, a cafeteria and an auditorium as your press center? In this day and age of technology, with the press requirements what they are (and likely weren't in 1980) you actually think that could work? Yea, what a great legacy.. let's cancel school for about 2 months so they can use the high school for the world's media.

The alternative is that Lake Placid is too small to host an Olympics. This CANNOT work. That Lake Placid got the Olympics in 1980 was something of a fluke, so they could get away with a plan like they had. There is ZERO chance it could happen again. Please stop it with this pipe dream of a Lake Placid/Tri Lakes Olympics and telling us how this is viable. It's not. There is no universe in which the IOC would accept this as a viable plan for a Winter Olympics. You are so far beyond delusional if you believe otherwise.

Interesting that you bring the press requirements up:

And you bring Vancouver Convention Centre and Salt Lake Palace again, they were used as a combined Main Media Center, where the Main Press Center would have been roughly 20,000 sqm anyways.

As for cancelling school for 2 months, it's a simple adjustment of the school calendar. You give them a similar school-vacation that was the case for the 1980 games, but in an extended form (obviously taking into account the Paralympics). Simply compensate the school year by offering a one off shorter Summer break, or shorter term breaks.

In this day and age of technology, surely you'd have it much easier to fit-out such a facility with the needs of the world's press. PCs with wireless network cards for the working room, to avoid the need for extensive cabling, routers and switchboards. Laptops weren't around in 1980, which requires no internet cabling at all as the press could easily use systems such as VPN. The permanent workstations at new computer rooms. An expanded cafeteria (using a combined existing cafeteria and the existing auditorium, a new auditorium which could be built on the site of the old gym) and a new gym as the main work room. It could work. And so forth.

After all, most press agencies really just need an individual room for the agency itself, using the facilities made available as one expects at any Main Press Center and if anything, the advances in information technology probably makes the work of the press much simpler. A modern PC terminal, a laser printer, dedicated phone line, high speed broadband, etc and of course the press agency themselves with their own digital camera and other such equipment., what more do you need?

As for zero chances, if the IOC is given an enticing and passable plan (which would of course be the strong attraction of a 3rd Lake Placid games, amongst other things), then why not?

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Increasingly bidders for both the summer and winter games are proposing temporary venues for the opening and closing ceremonies

As the games have expanded I can understand whilst people, associating Lake Placid with the historically smaller games, feel it is impossible to host a games at Lake Placid again. I beg to differ.

Pyeongchang 2018 is building a temporary 50,000 seat venue at the Olympic Park of Hoenggye, Istanbul 2020 is proposing a temporary venue in the Bosphorus Zone for their ceremonies. Clearly such an option would present itself for Lake Placid.

As for indoor venues, whilst Saranac Lake and Tupper Lake might be too small for venues, Plattsburgh, Potsdam and Canton (NY) are all within a radius of Lake Placid of about 80miles. The latter two have ECAC Hockey teams from Clarkson University Golden Knights and St Lawrence Saints respectively with arenas which could be replaced or substantially expanded especially as the former also has the SUNY Canton college with its own ice hockey team (The Kangaroos) which might share a venue. Finally SUNY Plattsburgh Cardinals are another college with a strong programme and could make use of a Richmond Oval type development.

So a potential venue plan might look like:

IceHockey1: Clarkson (10,000 seats - reduced post games) 80miles NW of Lake Placid

IceHockey2: Potsdam (6,000 seats) .... 69miles NW

Figure Skating: Lake Placid (12,000 seats - an expanded Olympic Centre)

Speed Skating: Plattsburgh (8,000 seats) ..... 52miles NE

Curling: Lake Placid (3,000seats relocated to Oswego post games)

Ceremonies: Lake Placid (40,000 seats - temporary facility)

Sliding Events: Mt Van Hoevenberg

Ski Jumping: Intervales Ski Hill

Men's Downhill: Whiteface

Women's Downhill: Gore Mountain (773m vertical) .... 80miles S

Media Centre: Lake Placid (future proofed for community usage post games)

The two most difficult facilities to have a post games legacy (ski jump hill, bobsleigh) are already in place

With the games getting bigger the IOC are likely to consider Lillehammer 1994 / Sion 2006 proposals involving the usage of several smaller communities to host events or face having to consider only bids from cities hundreds of miles from the mountain events

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Nice of Mr. Venue Plan to step in!

And imagine the press centre in a high school.

New York Times, you can take the science labs, ESPN, why don't you guys go in the music room and AP we'll squeeze you guys into the principals office.

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Nice of Mr. Venue Plan to step in!

And imagine the press centre in a high school.

New York Times, you can take the science labs, ESPN, why don't you guys go in the music room and AP we'll squeeze you guys into the principals office.

Without the semblance of a venue plan, you don't have a games .... only Reno

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Nice of Mr. Venue Plan to step in!

And imagine the press centre in a high school.

New York Times, you can take the science labs, ESPN, why don't you guys go in the music room and AP we'll squeeze you guys into the principals office.

Well I'm certain that for 2 of those agencies they did such a thing in 1980.

If modern convention/exhibition centers have meeting rooms similar in size to a standard classroom, then it's basically the same setup.

If you need a large indoor space, then you can use the speed skating oval (which won't be used for competitions) in front of the school, in a temporary setup. If this is nonviable, then a combined IBC and MPC will occur.

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As for cancelling school for 2 months, it's a simple adjustment of the school calendar. You give them a similar school-vacation that was the case for the 1980 games, but in an extended form (obviously taking into account the Paralympics). Simply compensate the school year by offering a one off shorter Summer break, or shorter term breaks.

In this day and age of technology, surely you'd have it much easier to fit-out such a facility with the needs of the world's press. PCs with wireless network cards for the working room, to avoid the need for extensive cabling, routers and switchboards. Laptops weren't around in 1980, which requires no internet cabling at all as the press could easily use systems such as VPN. The permanent workstations at new computer rooms. An expanded cafeteria (using a combined existing cafeteria and the existing auditorium, a new auditorium which could be built on the site of the old gym) and a new gym as the main work room. It could work. And so forth.

After all, most press agencies really just need an individual room for the agency itself, using the facilities made available as one expects at any Main Press Center and if anything, the advances in information technology probably makes the work of the press much simpler. A modern PC terminal, a laser printer, dedicated phone line, high speed broadband, etc and of course the press agency themselves with their own digital camera and other such equipment., what more do you need?

I'll give you credit for 1 thing.. that's a great find with that AT&T video. Definitely gives some perspective on the press set-up from 1980.

That said, the rest of your post shows how disconnected you are with reality. I hesitate to want to use the word 'dumbass', but I'm having trouble holding back at this point. Laptops and wireless network cards? That's your solution? To effectively run the press/media operations for an Olympics, you need hundreds of PC terminals, high speed broadband with enough bandwidth to handle hundreds of hours of video streaming and real-time data that didn't exist back in 1980. This is what it looked like for Vancouver..

The technology behind the Vancouver Olympic Games

You can't throw a bunch of laptops in a high school classroom and call it a press center. That's not going to cut it. And if this is only the MPC, then where exactly do you plan on putting the IBC whose requirements are much greater?

As for zero chances, if the IOC is given an enticing and passable plan (which would of course be the strong attraction of a 3rd Lake Placid games, amongst other things), then why not?

That's just it.. there is zero chance that Lake Placid could possibly offer an enticing and passable plan within the scope of reality, unless they find a few billion dollars they want to piss away for a bunch of temporary facilities. And what you're offering is anything but passable and just about the opposite of enticing. You're the only one that seems to be attracted to a Lake Placid games. Well, not the only one. Which brings me to..

The two most difficult facilities to have a post games legacy (ski jump hill, bobsleigh) are already in place

With the games getting bigger the IOC are likely to consider Lillehammer 1994 / Sion 2006 proposals involving the usage of several smaller communities to host events or face having to consider only bids from cities hundreds of miles from the mountain events

See, here's the problem with Mr. and Mrs. venue plan.. once again, you guys conveniently forget that this is a competition. A Lake Placid venue plan needs to get stacked up against the competition. You like Lake Placid because it already has a ski jump and a sliding track? In case you hadn't noticed, there's already a city in the United States that has both of those and they just happen to be interested in hosting another Olympics, something the Lake Placid region wisely is not considering. Even if we're talking hypothetical here, there is no venue plan that Lake Placid could come up that's ever going to be the one that will stand out against the competition. Remember.. they had no competition for 1980 once Vancouver-Garibaldi dropped out of the running. They won those Olympics by default. So even if we had a 1984 situation where the IOC essentially told the USOC to pick a city for them, there's other better choices out there. Yes, even Reno-Tahoe.

Beyond all that, where do you have any evidence that the IOC is going to be look at smaller communities instead of looking at bigger cities with higher distances? If they had to choose between Lake Placid and the Stockholm-Are bid we're all worked up about, that's not even a contest there. They'll be willing to make some sacrifices to find a home for the Olympics, but until they get to the point where they can't get what they want (and it hasn't happened yet, especially before we know the status of 2022), we have no reason to believe they're headed in that direction.

Without the semblance of a venue plan, you don't have a games .... only Reno

You know, I was going to pick apart your venue plan for Lake Placid, but it's simpler just to call the whole thing a joke. If you want to give us your pipe dream of a venue plan for a location with no chance in reality of hosting an Olympics, go right ahead. But I don't know if there is a sentiment strong enough for how ridiculous it is that this could ever actually work in practice. Takes a little more than a venue plan to land an Olympics. Eventually, Reno is going to have a venue plan. Lake Placid (who again, is wisely not pursuing another Olympics because they know it'll never happen) does not have that. Only in your mind is there a Lake Placid venue plan. And the plan you have is just awful. That you took the time to think that up means that you have way too much time on your hands.

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lmfao

Lake Placid: the Tulsa of the Winter candidates?! :wacko:

Let's not bring Tulsa into this. Lake Placid is great for what it is.. a nice little hamlet in upstate New York where the greatest of all American sporting events took place and they'll live on in history for a long time. The problem with Tulsa is that there are a couple of crackpots there who think that bidding for the Olympics will bring them publicity (I have to believe they know there's no shot they could actually pull it off). Lake Placid has no such crackpots. At least not outside of this forum anyway :D

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