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I'm not trying to portray that New Mexico isn't pretty. It is in it's own way. But I just find very mountainous terrain, more scenic & more fitting for a Winter Olympic setting. I mean he thinks that Barcelona & the like isn't ideal for a Winter Olympics, that it's not a "winter city". Yet much smaller, not traditionally wintery either, Albuquerque knocks the socks off everyone else. But to each their own, I guess.

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I love how quick most folks here are to dismiss Reno because it's ugly, but yea, let's have a discussion on New Mexico because it's beautiful. Never mind that it just doesn't make much sense as a host site for the Winter Olympics, and that was if they showed any interest.

That said, let's put the whole 'winter city' thing in perspective. Sochi is anything but a winter city. PC isn't either. But they're what those 2 countries offer to get themselves on the Winter Olympic map. With Spain, you could make a similar argument for Barcelona.

That's not the case in the United States. Cities like Anchorage and states like New Mexico may seem neat and exotic, but that's all in theory. It's not going to work so well in practice. And similar to the summer side of things, if the shortcomings of those cities and the other contenders like Denver and Salt Lake can't be overcome, then maybe we won't have an Olympics in the United States for awhile. Seriously, the fact that there's a discussion about New Mexico in here probably says something about the United States' chances, doesn't it.

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Seriously, the fact that there's a discussion about New Mexico in here probably says something about the United States' chances, doesn't it.

I think it actually says something about the fact that this is a forum for enthusiasts for games bids and part of that means that discussions about purely hypothetical bids can go on for page after page regardless of how connected they are to reality.

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Albuquerque’s Sandia range and crest is mountainous, and it’s even more dramatic as you go to Taos.

That's the tram line from the city to Sandia Peak in the right of this shot, a 3 mile tram ride from the city to a possible freestyle venue! ^_^

Albuquerque-International-Balloon-Fiesta

p.s. I don't think this city is interested in the Olympic, I'm just chatting it up.

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This is my point exactly.. If there was a serious US candidate for us to talk about, we'd be dealing more with reality than fantasy. That there's 4 noted candidates but none of them are particularly appealing for various reasons, we (and by we I mean the forum as a whole) choose to look for other cities and topics to talk about that aren't necessarily serious discussion points as it relates to the original topic

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I love how quick most folks here are to dismiss Reno because it's ugly, but yea, let's have a discussion on New Mexico because it's beautiful. Never mind that it just doesn't make much sense as a host site for the Winter Olympics, and that was if they showed any interest.

That said, let's put the whole 'winter city' thing in perspective. Sochi is anything but a winter city. PC isn't either. But they're what those 2 countries offer to get themselves on the Winter Olympic map. With Spain, you could make a similar argument for Barcelona.

That's not the case in the United States. Cities like Anchorage and states like New Mexico may seem neat and exotic, but that's all in theory. It's not going to work so well in practice. And similar to the summer side of things, if the shortcomings of those cities and the other contenders like Denver and Salt Lake can't be overcome, then maybe we won't have an Olympics in the United States for awhile. Seriously, the fact that there's a discussion about New Mexico in here probably says something about the United States' chances, doesn't it.

Let's imagine for a moment that Reno is a true Alpine gem of surpassing aesthetic appeal. I'm choking as I type, but let's go with this hypothetical for now...

Consider the lack of venues and the fact that the few extant facilities are woefully outdated. Consider events spread all the way to Sacramento. Consider the fact that the bid organizers have been quoted as saying "it is what it is" and have made it clear that they plan no major construction campaign or infrastructure improvements. Consider the fact that multiple executives in American sports broadcasting find the notion of Reno as an Olympic candidate to be nothing short of laughable.

Gorgeous though it may be, Reno cannot possibly be a competitive candidate.

Now let's return to reality and recognize that Reno is, in fact, ugly. That's just icing on the cake.

So please, let's not say that people are dismissing Reno solely on the grounds of its appearance because that's flatly untrue.

And as for New Mexico....

I put this under the same heading as people discussing the viability of a San Diego/Tijuana joint bid. It's never going to happen, but talking about it is somewhat diverting. It's not as though there aren't other viable options out there.

Personally, I hope the US doesn't bid. Let the IOC enjoy (or regret, if the shoe fits) the fruit of their previous decisions. Wait until they actually WANT American Games. It will happen. Just not yet.

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Mmmmmmm....

Can't accept the fact that life is a crap shoot? That competing in the Olympics is pretty much like playing 21 or the one-armed bandit or roulette? Competing in the Olympics is a crapshoot. U can train for years, yet be lousy on that one day for a sniffle or something. So, how different is that from a day at black jack tables or casinos? And unless you've never improved yourself in life or attempted to look better than you are, then you are a down-and-out liar or self-delusional fool. :(

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Let's imagine for a moment that Reno is a true Alpine gem of surpassing aesthetic appeal. I'm choking as I type, but let's go with this hypothetical for now...

Consider the lack of venues and the fact that the few extant facilities are woefully outdated. Consider events spread all the way to Sacramento. Consider the fact that the bid organizers have been quoted as saying "it is what it is" and have made it clear that they plan no major construction campaign or infrastructure improvements. Consider the fact that multiple executives in American sports broadcasting find the notion of Reno as an Olympic candidate to be nothing short of laughable.

Gorgeous though it may be, Reno cannot possibly be a competitive candidate.

Now let's return to reality and recognize that Reno is, in fact, ugly. That's just icing on the cake.

So please, let's not say that people are dismissing Reno solely on the grounds of its appearance because that's flatly untrue.

I'm not gonna go back and quote old posts, but IMO, that's exactly what some people are doing. I say this because some posters (2 in particular, I'd say) will tell us how ugly and unattractive Reno is and then try and give us a proposed venue plan for a smaller and even less viable location like Anchorage or Bozeman. And for all the times that baron has beaten us over the head in support of Reno, I haven't seen too much of that from him lately. It's others that are bringing up Reno and I can't really blame baron for trying to defend them.

That all said, this goes to what you and I have argued about before.. I've said it plenty of times that I think the technical details of a Reno bid are what their biggest problem. But most people don't bother to acknowledge that. If Reno DID have the infrastructure and the funds to put on an Olympics, then I'd say they do have a shot. Some folks here though wouldn't even care though since the city is "too unattractive." I could think of a dozen reasons why a Reno Olympics won't work (and there's a difference between 'will not' and 'cannot'.. they COULD be a competitive candidate, I just don't think they will be, especially looking at it in the short term). You alluded to a couple of them. That Reno is ugly is so far down the list of reasons they won't get an Olympics, to me it's almost completely inconsequential. So why it keeps getting brought up with regards to Reno, as opposed to the more important and much more obvious reasons to dismiss Reno, is beyond me at this point.

Personally, I hope the US doesn't bid. Let the IOC enjoy (or regret, if the shoe fits) the fruit of their previous decisions. Wait until they actually WANT American Games. It will happen. Just not yet.

I would like to see the USOC bid, but only if they have a viable candidate they believe can win. Right now, they don't seem to have that on either the summer side or the winter side. So if they were to sit out 2024 or 2026 and beyond because there's no compelling bid city out there, I'm more than okay with that.

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Mmmmmmm....

Can't accept the fact that life is a crap shoot? That competing in the Olympics is pretty much like playing 21 or the one-armed bandit or roulette? Competing in the Olympics is a crapshoot. U can train for years, yet be lousy on that one day for a sniffle or something. So, how different is that from a day at black jack tables or casinos? And unless you've never improved yourself in life or attempted to look better than you are, then you are a down-and-out liar or self-delusional fool. :(

Bafflingly nonsensical.

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Mmmmmmm....

Can't accept the fact that life is a crap shoot? That competing in the Olympics is pretty much like playing 21 or the one-armed bandit or roulette? Competing in the Olympics is a crapshoot. U can train for years, yet be lousy on that one day for a sniffle or something. So, how different is that from a day at black jack tables or casinos? And unless you've never improved yourself in life or attempted to look better than you are, then you are a down-and-out liar or self-delusional fool. :(

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

If that post is supposed to be commentary on Reno, I think 'Bafflingly nonsensical' hits the mark pretty well. Because what does it have to do with anything related to Olympic bidding?

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I guess I have to dumb it down.

On second thought, if you can't understand that staging what is essentially a crapshoot (an Olympics) in a gambling town, isn't really so disjointed as some misguided zealots here like to point out, then I can't explain to you something as simple as how to fill out your Driver's License application.

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I guess I have to dumb it down.

On second thought, if you can't understand that staging what is essentially a crapshoot (an Olympics) in a gambling town, isn't really so disjointed as some misguided zealots here like to point out, then I can't explain to you something as simple as how to fill out your Driver's License application.

Gosh darn it, Baron. I've been needing a driver's license for ages now! I was really hoping you'd be the one to bail me out! Guess I'll have to keep taking the pogo stick to work.....

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I guess I have to dumb it down.

On second thought, if you can't understand that staging what is essentially a crapshoot (an Olympics) in a gambling town, isn't really so disjointed as some misguided zealots here like to point out, then I can't explain to you something as simple as how to fill out your Driver's License application.

No, that's okay.. your first post was pretty dumb, and this post by you is equally dumb, so thanks for getting absolutely no point across whatsoever. 34,755 posts and counting!

Pretty sure that Reno's chances of hosting an Olympics land somewhere between "cannot possibly be a competitive candidate" and the wishful thinking of envision Reno's Olympics as if they've already been awarded. That's all well and good if you want to vision Reno like that, but in reality, they're not going to be able to skip all the steps where they actually have to prepare a bid, present that bid (first to the USOC, then the IOC if they get that far), and have that bid be better than the other bid cities they're competing against. Reno needs an ace in the hole (if we're going to use gambling terms here). They don't have one. And no, Tahoe is not what makes up for what Reno lacks. If you want to keep telling us how great an Olympics in Reno will be, you go ahead and do it. But they have to win the election and earn the right to get that honor in the first place. The rest of us that think that Reno-Tahoe doesn't have the goods to do that (even if some folks say that for what I believe are the wrong reasons.. and you haven't helped matter there with all the time you've spent in the past shouting "RENO RENO RENO!") probably aren't as wrong and as crazy as you'd like to think we are.

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None. And the USOC doesn't like it. It's too far to become a USOC training facility from the lower 48.

You are stating opinion as fact again. Who in the USOC said they didn't like Anchorage? When?

I assume you're referring back to the 80's, but lets not forget the USOC nominated Anchorage twice back then so saying they don't like it seems pretty far-fetched.

As for facilities, they're in better shape than your beloved Reno.

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As for facilities, they're in better shape than your beloved Reno.

And like, a US city can't upgrade its facilities? I'm surprised you're in a creative field when u can't think past your inherent biases.

Besides, if the USOC doesn't even bid for 2026, what does it matter then whether Anchorage's facilities were in sterling condition or not? They would also all be dilapidated and needing upgrades by 2026 anyway, or whenever. :rolleyes:

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