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I am beginning to think that it will be inevitable that the USOC puts in a OWG bid for either 2022 or 2026. I know, it is impossible to predict, but I really can't see the USOC sitting idol for too long. I of course would prefer the USOC to wait, and put their main energy into a 2028 Summer bid.

Reno-Tahoe and Anchorage have been scoping out a Winter Olympics for quite some time (at least since the 1980's). Anchorage garnered a second place (23 vote) first round for the '94 Games, but was eliminated in the next round. Denver can't be discounted either.

So if you could pick a USOC candidate city for 2022 or 2026, who would it be?

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Denver, Colorado (Population: 600,000/2.5 million metro)

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Reno, Nevada (Population: 218,000/310,000 metro)

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Anchorage, Alaska (Population: 280,00/360,000 metro)

or somewhere else?

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It came across as arrogant (maybe that's far too strong a word actually) because it's making an assumption that the vote was about a message to America, when quite frankly it wasn't. It's viewing the

The thing that surprises me the most in this thread is that there are so many people who are unwilling to just be patient. Is it really that hard to wait and put forward a top-drawer American bid when

And do u really think they will turn down the whatever $.5 million deposit for over a year + all the interest it can add to its coffers, at the outset--just to put US supporters' mind at rest? And wh

I have not been bashful about expressing my views regarding the next U.S. bid. I STRONGLY believe the next Games on U.S. soil must be Summer Games. If 2024 is not the right time, then I think the U.S. needs to bid for 2028. I believe ANY Winter Bid would be an enormous mistake because a winter hosting would significantly prolong the wait for another Summer Games. This would be catastrophic for American Olympic fans, sponsors and athletes.

IF, however, the U.S. bids for 2022 and they lose, this will increase the IOC's incentive to reward a future summer bid.

It is interesting to note that Denver was 50 degrees Fahrenheit during the Vancouver Games and is the only city to ever "give the Games back." I have not heard much passion or drive about a Denver WOG.

Reno seems to have plenty of energy and interest, but the city itself is an embarrassment. I cannot imagine "welcoming the world" to Reno. It is just tacky strip malls and casinos. Zero international appeal. Tahoe is beautiful, but Reno is decidedly not.

I haven't really heard of any serious interest from other potential Winter bidders.

The truth is that the qualifications of the city alone are not enough to win a bid. Leadership and vision are just as important if not more so. It is difficult to compare any hypothetical bids without being able to assess their quality of leadership. I believe the USOC recognizes this and I think they will tread very carefully. They will not bid for any Games (Summer or Winter) unless they feel they have a capable, internationally attractive host city with dynamic, trustworthy leadership.

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Reno seems to have plenty of energy and interest, but the city itself is an embarrassment. I cannot imagine "welcoming the world" to Reno. It is just tacky strip malls and casinos. Zero international appeal. Tahoe is beautiful, but Reno is decidedly not.

Other than the Temple, do you think salt Lake is/was beautiful? What were Squaw Valley and Lake Placid? Mere villages. A city with a 280,000 population can be prettied up with all the right Olympic banners. Look at Vancouver.

If they can get a $30 milllion warchest going, Reno will be the US candidate to beat. Denver is about as delusional as Tulsa.

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The issue is not Reno's size. Reno is TACKY. Salt Lake may not be the world's most glamorous, cosmopolitan city, but it isn't cheap. Reno is tacky, cheap and ugly. It showcases many of our country's worst qualities. I COULD NOT support a Reno bid and I think the USOC need to have their heads examined if they consider it.

This is NOT an argument in favor of Denver (or anywhere else). If Reno is the best the U.S. can offer then they jolly well better sit out the race. Reno doesn't stand a chance against any number of potential European or Asian hosts.

The worst case scenario would be if the USOC submitted a Reno bid for 2022, if the IOC awarded Reno the Game not because they believed Reno to be the best host, but as a goodwill gesture to the Americans and because of continental rotation, if everybody left the Reno Games thinking "Why in the world did we decide to go THERE? Let's never go back to the U.S. again." That would be the worst case scenario.

NOT RENO.

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The worst case scenario would be if the USOC submitted a Reno bid for 2022, if the IOC awarded Reno the Game not because they believed Reno to be the best host, but as a goodwill gesture to the Americans and because of continental rotation, if everybody left the Reno Games thinking "Why in the world did we decide to go THERE? Let's never go back to the U.S. again." That would be the worst case scenario.

Melodramatic much?

This post actually made me laugh.

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I have not been bashful about expressing my views regarding the next U.S. bid. I STRONGLY believe the next Games on U.S. soil must be Summer Games. If 2024 is not the right time, then I think the U.S. needs to bid for 2028. I believe ANY Winter Bid would be an enormous mistake because a winter hosting would significantly prolong the wait for another Summer Games. This would be catastrophic for American Olympic fans, sponsors and athletes.

IF, however, the U.S. bids for 2022 and they lose, this will increase the IOC's incentive to reward a future summer bid.

It is interesting to note that Denver was 50 degrees Fahrenheit during the Vancouver Games and is the only city to ever "give the Games back." I have not heard much passion or drive about a Denver WOG.

Reno seems to have plenty of energy and interest, but the city itself is an embarrassment. I cannot imagine "welcoming the world" to Reno. It is just tacky strip malls and casinos. Zero international appeal. Tahoe is beautiful, but Reno is decidedly not.

I haven't really heard of any serious interest from other potential Winter bidders.

The truth is that the qualifications of the city alone are not enough to win a bid. Leadership and vision are just as important if not more so. It is difficult to compare any hypothetical bids without being able to assess their quality of leadership. I believe the USOC recognizes this and I think they will tread very carefully. They will not bid for any Games (Summer or Winter) unless they feel they have a capable, internationally attractive host city with dynamic, trustworthy leadership.

Arrogant much. What about the French sponsor and sports fan and athletes, 8 sports generations of summer athletes without a home games, or Japanese sponsor, fans and athletes that have gone 5. Or Africa that has gone 12. Yes its such a catastrophe that the rest of the world gets to host the games and the rest of the world's people and countries can host and compete in front of home fans.

Melodramatic much?

This post actually made me laugh.

There are a fair few people that think the Atlanta experience has dampened IOC spirits/nose plugging to the US. And lets be honest, the IOC has had to deal with 7 years of it with China.

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The issue is not Reno's size. Reno is TACKY. Salt Lake may not be the world's most glamorous, cosmopolitan city, but it isn't cheap. Reno is tacky, cheap and ugly. It showcases many of our country's worst qualities. I COULD NOT support a Reno bid and I think the USOC need to have their heads examined if they consider it.

This is NOT an argument in favor of Denver (or anywhere else). If Reno is the best the U.S. can offer then they jolly well better sit out the race. Reno doesn't stand a chance against any number of potential European or Asian hosts.

The worst case scenario would be if the USOC submitted a Reno bid for 2022, if the IOC awarded Reno the Game not because they believed Reno to be the best host, but as a goodwill gesture to the Americans and because of continental rotation, if everybody left the Reno Games thinking "Why in the world did we decide to go THERE? Let's never go back to the U.S. again." That would be the worst case scenario.

NOT RENO.

It just debunks your "Summer First and Only" bid. I told you that is a very flawed mindset.

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Melodramatic much?

This post actually made me laugh.

Personally, I don't think it's ever going to come to this.

I doubt the USOC will put forward a Reno bid and even if they are foolish to do so, I doubt the IOC would vote for it.

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The issue is not Reno's size. Reno is TACKY. Salt Lake may not be the world's most glamorous, cosmopolitan city, but it isn't cheap. Reno is tacky, cheap and ugly. It showcases many of our country's worst qualities. I COULD NOT support a Reno bid and I think the USOC need to have their heads examined if they consider it.

This is NOT an argument in favor of Denver (or anywhere else). If Reno is the best the U.S. can offer then they jolly well better sit out the race. Reno doesn't stand a chance against any number of potential European or Asian hosts.

The worst case scenario would be if the USOC submitted a Reno bid for 2022, if the IOC awarded Reno the Game not because they believed Reno to be the best host, but as a goodwill gesture to the Americans and because of continental rotation, if everybody left the Reno Games thinking "Why in the world did we decide to go THERE? Let's never go back to the U.S. again." That would be the worst case scenario.

NOT RENO.

Winter sport is more about geography than glamour, if the natural setting is spectacular who needs the pretence? Not to mention there is plenty of glamour in Tahoe if you know where to find it. As for Reno, it's a great winter hub, with a few banners I'm sure it'd dress perty darn nice!

NO SUMMER GAMES, too expensive.

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Winter sport is more about geography than glamour, if the natural setting is spectacular who needs the pretence? Not to mention there is plenty of glamour in Tahoe if you know where to find it. As for Reno, it's a great winter hub, with a few banners I'm sure it'd dress perty darn nice!

NO SUMMER GAMES, too expensive.

I think Athensfans thinks he is in the USOC.

He also forgot the Tahoe part.

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If they are going to have it in Tahoe then have it ALL in Tahoe. How many of you have actually BEEN to Reno. It's a mini Las Vegas! You're are CRAZY if you think Reno is going to be the place the USOC would put forth for another winter bid. It'll be Denver or nothing. Reno is a joke!

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Arrogant much. What about the French sponsor and sports fan and athletes, 8 sports generations of summer athletes without a home games, or Japanese sponsor, fans and athletes that have gone 5. Or Africa that has gone 12. Yes its such a catastrophe that the rest of the world gets to host the games and the rest of the world's people and countries can host and compete in front of home fans.

There are a fair few people that think the Atlanta experience has dampened IOC spirits/nose plugging to the US. And lets be honest, the IOC has had to deal with 7 years of it with China.

My last couple of posts were focused solely on American bidding intentions (the subject of this thread).If you have read many of my other posts, you will see that I strongly believe the Olympics are a global event. I do not think the U.S. is entitled to host and I believe unofficial continental rotation is a good thing. I think the U.S. has been very fortunate to enjoy so many Olympic Games on home soil. I do not believe that the IOC owes the U.S. I think there are many countries that could and should stage excellent Games. If the above posts are the only posts of mine that you have read, I can see how you might decide that I am just another self-centered American, but in the context of my whole body of posts, I think you will find this is not the case.

As an American, of course I would like to see another Games on home soil. I'm just expressing my opinion on the wisest course of action for future U.S. bids. I admit that perhaps "catastrophe" was too strong a word. However, if the U.S. has to wait until 40 years after Atlanta to host the Summer Games, I think American interest in the Olympics may radically deteriorate. This would be saddening to me personally because I value the Games and would be disappointed to see enthusiasm wane.

I do not think the Olympics will die if the U.S. audience and sponsors lose interest. The IOC will just have to develop audiences and sponsors in other parts of the world. This is very possible.

I am impressed that the countries you mentioned (France, Japan, and others) have not lost their Olympic fervor. Unfortunately we Americans have short attention spans. It is a character weakness.

I reiterate my hope that the U.S. will focus on a summer hosting and abandon the thought of pursuing the Winter Games -- especially with a substandard host like Reno. (Incidentally, Baron, I fail to see how Reno's lackluster image is an argument in favor of WOGS over SOGS....)

Hope this has offered some clarification.

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I think Athensfans thinks he is in the USOC.

He also forgot the Tahoe part.

No idea why you made the USOC crack. I've got an opinion, that's all.

If you re-read my earlier posts you will see that I acknowledged Lake Tahoe is beautiful. It is -- stunning, in fact. But there are no stadiums or rinks in Lake Tahoe. The nearest urban center is Reno. These recent Olympics weren't the Whistler Games, they were the Vancouver Games. Similarly, unless somebody wants to build a lot more accommodation and a good number of venues in Lake Tahoe, a Tahoe/Reno bid would become the Reno bid.

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Dear Athens Fan,

I like your posts, I wish you would post more, you are always balanced. But you are too hard on Reno, it in such a fantastic location to support Tahoe, and it has it's own sort of western charm. If you ski a lot you have to appretiate Reno as the gateway to Tahoe (unless you are luckey and have a small plane to land in South Shore!)

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Dear Athens Fan,

I like your posts, I wish you would post more, you are always balanced. But you are too hard on Reno, it in such a fantastic location to support Tahoe, and it has it's own sort of western charm. If you ski a lot you have to appretiate Reno as the gateway to Tahoe (unless you are luckey and have a small plane to land in South Shore!)

Thanks, Stir.

I would love to give Reno the benefit of the doubt, but my limited experience has been pretty negative. Banners can hide a lot, but they don't provide an infusion of culture or history. The Olympics are such a significant event and, as we can clearly see just from this forum, we should not take Games on American soil for granted. If we are going to have to wait several decades between hostings (no one is sure how many), do we really want to invite the world to Reno? Is that the best we've got to offer? I really hope not.

Regarding the expense of Summer Games that others have alluded to, American Games are notoriously profitable and I have full confidence that any American Games would be financially successful. Any bid that is anything less than financially sound will not make it out of the starting gate.

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I can't see Denver going for it. I think the poeple of Colorado would try & stop it again.

While Reno isn't "pretty", per se (which neither is Sochi, so what gives), the one important thing that they do have is the drive & great enthusiam to go along with the bid, which is one of the key elements that the IOC likes to see in a bid campaign. Afterall, the IOC is not particularly a big fan of sending the Games to places where the local people absolutely don't want them.

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There's a lot of history in Reno. I guess you gotta like that type of open western country with tons of space to just ride your horse (or drive) as far as you can see. Reno attracts a lot of riff-raff, but it has a lot of authenticity too. Did I mention it's the gatway to Tahoe!!! I could see a lot of exciting development in Reno to accomodate the games. People probably thought Salt Lake City sounded lame before they came. What's important in winter is geographic location!!!!! And in that respect Reno would be great!

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On the surface, Denver seems the most capable (would Aspen be too far?). I know Baron, you hate any idea of Denver hosting because of the '76 debacle...

Anchorage kind of sounds appealing in an unexpected way for me, but I think their largest stadium only seats 8,000. Alaska really doesn't get much attention, so I think it would be cool to bring such an important event to that state. I wonder how short the daylight hours are in February...

I kind of agree with Athensfan about Reno. I don't really care for the town, but it would be awesome if Tahoe were to some how become capable of hosting on their own. I have never been to Reno, but my impression of the city is a cheap Las Vegas know-off.

...I meant knock-off.

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As majestic as an Anchorage Winter Olympics would be, Anchorage's best chances I think have come & gone (92 & 94). Their infrastructure doesn't have what it takes to accommodate what the Winter Games have become now. Anchorage's chances on getting the Winter Games are probably just as bleak as Honolulu getting the Summer Games.

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My last couple of posts were focused solely on American bidding intentions (the subject of this thread).If you have read many of my other posts, you will see that I strongly believe the Olympics are a global event. I do not think the U.S. is entitled to host and I believe unofficial continental rotation is a good thing. I think the U.S. has been very fortunate to enjoy so many Olympic Games on home soil. I do not believe that the IOC owes the U.S. I think there are many countries that could and should stage excellent Games. If the above posts are the only posts of mine that you have read, I can see how you might decide that I am just another self-centered American, but in the context of my whole body of posts, I think you will find this is not the case.

As an American, of course I would like to see another Games on home soil. I'm just expressing my opinion on the wisest course of action for future U.S. bids. I admit that perhaps "catastrophe" was too strong a word. However, if the U.S. has to wait until 40 years after Atlanta to host the Summer Games, I think American interest in the Olympics may radically deteriorate. This would be saddening to me personally because I value the Games and would be disappointed to see enthusiasm wane.

I do not think the Olympics will die if the U.S. audience and sponsors lose interest. The IOC will just have to develop audiences and sponsors in other parts of the world. This is very possible.

I am impressed that the countries you mentioned (France, Japan, and others) have not lost their Olympic fervor. Unfortunately we Americans have short attention spans. It is a character weakness.

I reiterate my hope that the U.S. will focus on a summer hosting and abandon the thought of pursuing the Winter Games -- especially with a substandard host like Reno. (Incidentally, Baron, I fail to see how Reno's lackluster image is an argument in favor of WOGS over SOGS....)

Hope this has offered some clarification.

Nice post. I do think, though, you underestimate your fellow Americans' attention spans with the Olympics. I really think when it comes down to it, just the fact of following your Team US, with its proud history, will always be a drawcard, even or especially if they are battling it out on foreign fields. I also feel in some ways having "too much of a good thing" could possibly even be more of an enthusiasm damper than too few hostings. What makes the Olympics so special to host in countries like my own, and I'm sure most others, is that it really IS a Once In A Lifetime event, a celebration you'll likely never be able to experience again in your homeland, and how this even more makes your homeland the subject of keen world attention, without familiarity breeding disinterest. Maybe, in hindsight, it was just a bit too much to have so many games in the US, in such a short period of time, from Lake Placid 1980 through to SLC 2002. It has led to too much of a sense of expectation and entitlement and less that it is a rare and precious event.

There's a lot of history in Reno. I guess you gotta like that type of open western country with tons of space to just ride your horse (or drive) as far as you can see. Reno attracts a lot of riff-raff, but it has a lot of authenticity too. Did I mention it's the gatway to Tahoe!!! I could see a lot of exciting development in Reno to accomodate the games. People probably thought Salt Lake City sounded lame before they came. What's important in winter is geographic location!!!!! And in that respect Reno would be great!

Yeah, I've been through the Reno-Tahoe area and agree with you. It was probably the part of the US where I best experienced a taste of the "Old West", and yeah, while as a casino town it's a bit ... cheezy ... I could still see it as a centre that could rise to the Olympic challenge.

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On the surface, Denver seems the most capable (would Aspen be too far?).

I kind of agree with Athensfan about Reno. I don't really care for the town, but it would be awesome if Tahoe were to some how become capable of hosting on their own. I have never been to Reno, but my impression of the city is a cheap Las Vegas know-off.

...I meant knock-off.

Aspen is farther than many large capable areas and resorts, and I think it would be unlikely they would host any alpine events. Aspen would also present some challenges with samaller access roads. I think there would also be local resistance for several reasons.

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Yeah, I've been through the Reno-Tahoe area and agree with you. It was probably the part of the US where I best experienced a taste of the "Old West", and yeah, while as a casino town it's a bit ... cheezy ... I could still see it as a centre that could rise to the Olympic challenge.

Plus, that could be the core of Reno's bid...an urban renewal...an upgrade to a more deluxe town much as there's more to Vegas now than just gambling.

Further, so long as Reno can present even A- venues, everyone (or at least that matter for the Olympics, and the cameras) in Reno will be inside at those venues anyway. Tahoe will take care of the daytime gorgeous scenery; and Reno's "tackiness" will be disguised at night. So it's Torino+Salt Lake with the neon. ;)

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