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Rugby World Cup 2023

Where should the 2023 RWC be held?  

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  1. 1. Pick your 2023 RWC host country

    • Australia
      2
    • Scotland/Ireland
      7
    • USA
      7
    • Italy
      7
    • Argentina/Uruguay
      4
    • Tonga/Fiji/Samoa
      1
    • France
      1
    • South Africa
      3
    • Canada
      5
    • Other
      1


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I know most of us probably prefer a single country host for the WC, but I must admit, the next time NZ hosts (and it WILL happen), I'd sorta like them to co-host with some of the Pacific Island Rugby powers. I know none of them would ever be likely to host on their own (or even collectively without Oz or NZ helping them), but it would be great to see the WC, even just the pool matches, one day come to Samoa, Tonga and Fiji.

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It could happen. I know I've said that one of the key plus points that NZ should pull in its favour when bidding to host any major events again is that it is a home event for the Pacific. This tournament has certainly proved that right, how amazing it would have been for Fiji and Samoa to play infront of 60,000 fans at Eden Park.

Still, considering it will be a while before NZ hosts again, then I guess there is room for the possibility of a game or two being played there.

Still, I can't help thinking that they would still prefer to use the existing Polynesian population in NZ (primarily Auckland) as doing their bit for the islands at the World Cup.

Be interesting though certainly, a few inter-Pacific matches in Apia.

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Maybe it's sour grapes for years of various other Northern Hemisphere nations looking down at NZ (and to be honest, large portions of the Southern Hemisphere) saying we can't host certain events due to a lack of popularity and history in the sport.

Yeaaah, maybe it's that.

I dont think its that, as we all know that Rugby in the Southern Hemisphere is very popular and the history there is vast.

I would say the apprehension to hosting, esp in New Zealand is things such as transport and venues. The 2011 Cup has been a success but as these tournaments grow, the northern hempisphere countries and South Africa with their huge capacity, new modern stadiums and vast transport systems will be more appealing.

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What are the stadium requirements and number of stadiums needed for the RWC?

I remember you asked this once before. Sorry I didn't get back to you then.

The only firm requirement I can find is the IRB requires the host nation must have a venue of (minimum) 60,000 capacity for the final. I'd guess they'd require about 10 venues all up - but maybe someone else knows if there's a firm rule or not.

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When is the deadline for submitting a bid?

2016...

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I dont think its that, as we all know that Rugby in the Southern Hemisphere is very popular and the history there is vast.

I would say the apprehension to hosting, esp in New Zealand is things such as transport and venues. The 2011 Cup has been a success but as these tournaments grow, the northern hempisphere countries and South Africa with their huge capacity, new modern stadiums and vast transport systems will be more appealing.

Add in Australia...Yes its all about population.

As for Auckland's transport issues...this was and still is a long range work in progress and is not ready to be finshed untill 2025!

Had've NZ hosted this in 2015, then the new electric units be running and the underground loop would've helped alot!

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I remember you asked this once before. Sorry I didn't get back to you then.

The only firm requirement I can find is the IRB requires the host nation must have a venue of (minimum) 60,000 capacity for the final. I'd guess they'd require about 10 venues all up - but maybe someone else knows if there's a firm rule or not.

So if the United States were to ever bid, the venues would not be a problem. The cities would probably be:

- Los Angeles (Rose Bowl, LA Coliseum, new LA NFL Stadium)

- New York City (New Meadowlands Stadium)

- Chicago (Soldier Field)

- Miami (Sun Life Stadium)

- Phoenix (U of Phoenix Stadium)

- Dallas (Dallas Cowboys Stadium)

- San Francisco (Candlestick Park)

- Boston (Gilette Stadium)

- Philadelphia (Lincoln Financial Field)

- Houston (Reliant Stadium)

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U.S. discussing bid to host 2023 rugby World Cup

(Reuters) - United States are discussing a bid to stage the 2023 rugby World Cup which could involve Canada co-hosting, according to USA Rugby CEO Nigel Melville.

Former England captain Melville said that the U.S. had been asked to bid to host rugby's biggest prize for the first time, but did not say by whom when he appeared on the RuggaMatrix America podcast on Wednesday.

"We were asked during the World Cup whether we would be prepared to bid for 2023. I know it seems like a very long way away for us all but we have to start those processes now so we are having a discussion about that," Melville said.

"Also Canada are interested in some sort of joint bid... could we do it together as north America, because there would be opportunities in Toronto and Vancouver and obviously bringing the tournament to north America would be a tremendous boost for us all."

The U.S. have appeared in six of the seven World Cups, including the recently concluded tournament in New Zealand where they beat old cold war rivals Russia but failed once again, to advance from their pool.

Russia have already said they will bid to host the 2023 tournament and Melville said that he believed the U.S. might be more successful in winning the right to stage the 2027 tournament.

"Discussions are taking place and I get the feel that if we bid for 2023 we might not get it but in 2027 we might, but I don't think we will get '27 if we don't bid in '23," the former London Wasps and Gloucester coach said.

"I think we have to start putting the wheels in motion now to bid for the World Cup; that way we can certainly put ourselves on the map as serious contenders.

"I think people would be interested in partnering with us to do that and certainly there is a will in our rugby community and across the globe, people would be fascinated at having a World Cup in America."

The World Cup will be hosted by England in 2015 and then Japan in 2019, the first time the tournament will be staged outside either Europe or the southern hemisphere powerhouses of New Zealand, South Africa and Australia.

Melville said it represented an opportunity to drive interest in the sport in America where rugby struggles for attention behind American Football, baseball, basketball and ice hockey.

"It is something we should be looking at, you need to look strategically where we want rugby to be, would we be able to cope with it, have we got the infrastructure, have we got the stadia and the big question would be could we fill the stadiums."

However, the inclusion of rugby sevens in the Olympics for the 2016 Games in Rio de Janeiro has led to increased focus and funding for the sport in America.

USA rugby said that they would be able to offer 23 fulltime contracts to Sevens players from January after striking a deal with the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) on Wednesday.

Reuters

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Hope they include Chicago and SFO in their bidding plan this time, its gonna be a tight competition with Italy, Italy has the advantage that isnt a "english speacking country" but is in the crisis, so its gonna be an intrsting competition.

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That's good news - glad to see some official interest from the North Americans in hosting the RWC. And in this case, I wouldn't have a huge problem myself with Canada and the US sharing it.

Pity the vote is a while off - it's actually looking like an interesting campaign this time round, with Russia and now the US/Canada likely to be in it.

Still, I can't help the feeling, that after Japan 2019 the IRB's likely to go to a more traditional power - South Africa perhaps.

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A east coast North American bid would work.

East Coast for sure, but the Bay Area's also a bit of a Rugby beach head in N-Am. I'd like to see them play a part too.

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Could rugby union take off in the US?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14725789

It can take off sure! But will remain a very minor sport in North America which is why the World Cup should come here and revolutionize the sport here (as in North America) like the 94 World Cup did to the States.

East Coast for sure, but the Bay Area's also a bit of a Rugby beach head in N-Am. I'd like to see them play a part too.

Ignorant on my behalf. Completely forgot the event was spread out (in terms of dates). Maybe 7-8 venues in USA and 2-3 in Canada.

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Still, I can't help the feeling, that after Japan 2019 the IRB's likely to go to a more traditional power - South Africa perhaps.

Especially if this mob is expecting something similar to

2019: Japan

2023: Russia

2027: USA

ahhhh, yeah no.

Not only not rugby nations, but would also mean 4 consecutive Northern Hemisphere hosts.

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Still, I can't help the feeling, that after Japan 2019 the IRB's likely to go to a more traditional power - South Africa perhaps.

<_< But I would expect the Australian Rugby Union wanting to support an allied nation - the USA Rols? Like how they backed Japan for 2011? Yes?

:) I'd be happy with USA being hosts, but it so far away. South Africa would just have to wait, and anyway a potental Olympic bid would be distracting them by then?

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<_< But I would expect the Australian Rugby Union wanting to support an allied nation - the USA Rols? Like how they backed Japan for 2011? Yes?

I'm glad you won the 2011 hosting rights, and think NZ did a fantastic hosting job. Nevertheless, I still think Japan should have been the logical choice for a competition whose role is to spread the game further around the world - which the IRB themselves recognised when they belatedly awarded them 2019.

Edited by Sir Rols

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I'm glad you won the 2011 hosting rights, and think NZ did a fantastic hosting job. Nevertheless, I still think Japan should have been the logical choice for a competition whose role is to spread the game further around the world - which the IRB themselves recognised when they belatedly awarded them 2019.

Another factor to consider is the potential rise of Sevens in the USA, especially if Russia carries out their threat to dominate the code. Americans have an attention span of a pea and the quick format of sevens would suit them better?

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Another factor to consider is the potential rise of Sevens in the USA, especially if Russia carries out their threat to dominate the code. Americans have an attention span of a pea and the quick format of sevens would suit them better?

Sure. There's no doubt that 7s is appealing precisely because its so flashy, easy to pick-up and fast-paced, especially to Rugby newcomers. It's a great tournament sport.

But on the other hand, it's not a good league sport. It's not the type of game that support a longer league competition and offer broadcasters a weekly roster of high-rating club match-ups followed by a finals series as can the NRL, AFL, NFL, Premier League, Super 14s and so on. A match of the week lasting 30 mins can't support a full Sunday afternoon's footy coverage, much less fill in Friday night, Saturday and Monday night as well.

The hope and expectation is that 7s at the Olympics will pick-up a lot of new viewers and potential players who come for the 7s format, and ultimately also come to appreciate and bolster the real 15s game. At the very least it just exposes so many more people to the concept of Rugby. There's no reason they can't co-exist and feed each other.

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Another factor to consider is the potential rise of Sevens in the USA, especially if Russia carries out their threat to dominate the code. Americans have an attention span of a pea and the quick format of sevens would suit them better?

Have you ever watched a basketball game or an American football game. Those things are 3 hours+

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Have you ever watched a basketball game or an American football game. Those things are 3 hours+

:blink: Thats because they stop timeout all the time...and then slip an ad break in!!! Hence my point of attention span.

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I remember you asked this once before. Sorry I didn't get back to you then.

The only firm requirement I can find is the IRB requires the host nation must have a venue of (minimum) 60,000 capacity for the final. I'd guess they'd require about 10 venues all up - but maybe someone else knows if there's a firm rule or not.

I think seating wise for the pool games the minimum requirement is only 10-15,000, though for the knock-out stages that rises.

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I think seating wise for the pool games the minimum requirement is only 10-15,000, though for the knock-out stages that rises.

Some of the premium Pool matches hit the 50k-60k give or take mark in 2011, but yes Romania v Georgia yeah the low 10ks. South Africa could easly push through higher gates though...The USA, well that is an unknown quantity, is the IRB willing to take that leap? After Japan?

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