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Let we see.

Central Stadium is designed with transformable bowl: 40k seats in Olympic mode, 45k in World Cup mode, 25k in the everyday mode.

Bolshoi Ice palace - 12k in Olympic mode. Post Olympic use - concert hall or arena for local team.

Maly Ice Palace will be moved to another Krasnodar Krai city.

Olympic Oval - exhibition center for ever year Sochi business forum

Curling Arena will be moved to Tver.

O. Skating center will be universal sport arena.

In that case a positive post-Games legacy of Sochi's venues seems to be more attainable, though I still have some doubts.

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To follow-up on what X said...

Vancouver--and BC and Canada--were always going to do something different, in terms of our approach to the Games. The Games were hosted an urbanized environment (Vancouver) and planned resort community (Whistler). We're at the crossroads of Aboriginal, European and Asian cultures and economies. BC has always been a place that follows its own drummer: locals fought the creation of Indian Residentials schools, the first Premier for the province was black (mixed, to be precise), and another early one was openly homosexual (there was no "gay" back then). Our politics, for worse or better, tends to vacillate between right and left to a degree not seen anywhere else in Canada. And we've got some of the richest and poorest people in the country. And folks here are very concious of sustainability issues--especially in Whistler.

Our OWG plans and delivery reflect this. No one was going to support building ANOTHER stadium when our existing one already gathers mothballs much of the year. Municipalities had to be very careful when deciding whether to support venue construction in their jurisdiction: which is why the Oval was shifted to Richmond from Burnaby/Simon Fraser University. The City of Vancouver wisely negotiated upgrades to existing venues that would benefit more than elite athletes: 2 practice ice rinks and the curling venue (which included building a new pool heated by the ice system). Retrofit to existing venues in Vancouver had to balance the requirements of the IOC and sport federations with a public that would go mental over money pee'd away, only to have things torn down after.

And the upgrade to the Sea-to-Sky Highway between Van and Whistler--which was on the books regardless of the Games--was done exceedingly well.

In Whistler the impact of the infrastructure has been HUGE. First and foremost its Village will greatly help in a housing crunch for workers. The Sliding Centre and Olympic (Nordic) Park round out the resort's winter niche nicely: there's no other combination of venues in North America (Lake Placid's alpine venue pales compared to Whistler Blackcomb). In Vancouver it's the shiny new Village and Canada Line to the airport--which is already exceeding anticipated ridership--that remind us every day of ways in which the $ spent on infrastructure was, on balance, done wisely.

My only disappointment was that a covered rapid rail line wasn't built between Vancouver and Whistler.

Nobody gets it perfectly right--but on balance, we did a great job balancing all these things.

Call us the A380...747s are so 1970s anyway ;)

LOL...wow. You sure are grasping at straws now.

1) You do realize that that topic was made more than a month after the Olympics ended...the pomp excitement is gone, and that has happened to every Olympic forum here in GamesBids within weeks after the Games - it turns into a ghost town. Not to mention that it was posted in the Ceremonies forum, wrong place to do that.

2) There are only a few interested posters from each Olympic host city here. What's your point?

3) What superlatives are you expecting from any Olympic host city? And since you are so big on superlatives, why don't you name a few from previous Winter Olympics?

4) Mediocrity that you "all" felt? Who's "all"? The media has said it was a huge success (and CNN did another story this week about how the 2010 Games could be an economic boon for the city), polls around the world have found that people loved the Vancouver Games, and almost all the members here in this forum have given the Vancouver Games a big thumbs up.

It's about time that you realize you are a minority.

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Why do Canadians continue to clutter up a thread about the exciting plans in Sochi with excuses for a lackluster Vancouver games; it does not make your shortcoming seem less so.

A380 is the perfect analogy to Vancouver 2010

-troubled by long delays

-bloated and unattractive

-didn't deliver on promised amenities

-forgettable after initial phase in

747

-the most popular and admire jumbo ever built

-definitely the prettiest and sexiest!

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Why do Canadians continue to clutter up a thread about the exciting plans in Sochi with excuses for a lackluster Vancouver games; it does not make your shortcoming seem less so.

A380 is the perfect analogy to Vancouver 2010

-troubled by long delays

-bloated and unattractive

-didn't deliver on promised amenities

-forgettable after initial phase in

747

-the most popular and admire jumbo ever built

-definitely the prettiest and sexiest!

Why do Canadians continue to clutter up a thread about the exciting plans in Sochi with excuses for a lackluster Vancouver games; it does not make your shortcoming seem less so.

A380 is the perfect analogy to Vancouver 2010

-troubled by long delays

-bloated and unattractive

-didn't deliver on promised amenities

-forgettable after initial phase in

747

-the most popular and admire jumbo ever built

-definitely the prettiest and sexiest!

You were the one that started this with your nonsense.

And I see that you're once again grasping at straws.

Troubled by long delays?

- Apparently, a 1 hour delay in an event is the end of the world...apparently you've forgotten about the multi-hour or even multi-day delays at previous Winter Olympics, or even the lack of snow and "too much snow" at other Games.

- You've also seem to have ignored the fact that all Vancouver 2010 Olympic venues were completed 2 years before the Games, by far making it the earliest venue completion in recent memory....whereas recent host cities, including Athens and Torino, squabbled with embarrassing incompetence, corruption, construction delays, and major cost overruns.

Bloated and unattractive?

- Not according to visitors, the media, the athletes, and the billion plus television viewers out there.

Didn't deliver on promised amenities?

- How so? What exactly? Everything promised in the bid book was realized.

- The athletes loved both Olympic Villages especially the one in Vancouver, and it has set a high standard for future Villages at both the Winter and Summer Games.

- Every Vancouver 2010 venue has a sustainable post-Games legacy plan to ensure that everything is well used, unlike the white elephants left at many previous host cities.

- by far the most environmentally friendly Olympics yet

- VANOC vowed to end empty seat syndrome at the stadiums, and it did. All events were virtually full, and provided great atmosphere. And this atmosphere spilled into the streets to a level like no other Games before - from IOC Jacques Rogges on the final day of the Games.

Forgettable?

- According to yourself only. Again, likeminds like yourself are a very small minority.

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To follow-up on what X said...

Vancouver--and BC and Canada--were always going to do something different, in terms of our approach to the Games. The Games were hosted an urbanized environment (Vancouver) and planned resort community (Whistler). We're at the crossroads of Aboriginal, European and Asian cultures and economies. BC has always been a place that follows its own drummer: locals fought the creation of Indian Residentials schools, the first Premier for the province was black (mixed, to be precise), and another early one was openly homosexual (there was no "gay" back then). Our politics, for worse or better, tends to vacillate between right and left to a degree not seen anywhere else in Canada. And we've got some of the richest and poorest people in the country. And folks here are very concious of sustainability issues--especially in Whistler.

Our OWG plans and delivery reflect this. No one was going to support building ANOTHER stadium when our existing one already gathers mothballs much of the year. Municipalities had to be very careful when deciding whether to support venue construction in their jurisdiction: which is why the Oval was shifted to Richmond from Burnaby/Simon Fraser University. The City of Vancouver wisely negotiated upgrades to existing venues that would benefit more than elite athletes: 2 practice ice rinks and the curling venue (which included building a new pool heated by the ice system). Retrofit to existing venues in Vancouver had to balance the requirements of the IOC and sport federations with a public that would go mental over money pee'd away, only to have things torn down after.

And the upgrade to the Sea-to-Sky Highway between Van and Whistler--which was on the books regardless of the Games--was done exceedingly well.

In Whistler the impact of the infrastructure has been HUGE. First and foremost its Village will greatly help in a housing crunch for workers. The Sliding Centre and Olympic (Nordic) Park round out the resort's winter niche nicely: there's no other combination of venues in North America (Lake Placid's alpine venue pales compared to Whistler Blackcomb). In Vancouver it's the shiny new Village and Canada Line to the airport--which is already exceeding anticipated ridership--that remind us every day of ways in which the $ spent on infrastructure was, on balance, done wisely.

My only disappointment was that a covered rapid rail line wasn't built between Vancouver and Whistler.

Nobody gets it perfectly right--but on balance, we did a great job balancing all these things.

Call us the A380...747s are so 1970s anyway ;)

Not to mention that VANOC had to deal with the worst global recession since the Great Depression. Yet still, it faired quite well in the end. Vancouver and all of Canada has escaped the devastating effects of the recession seen in the U.S. and Europe; Canada has remained relatively unscathed due to fiscal prudence and being fiscally conservative - traits that VANOC also had. Same goes with our banks, there's a reason why Canada's banks have stayed afloat and have even seen great profits - they certainly didn't need any bailout. And one of these banks, the Royal Bank of Canada, was VANOC's largest sponsor.

Canada stays away from excess. It's the polar opposite of what Greece has become.

The Sochi plan looks very exciting; I hope there will be more posts about Sochi in this thread.

I see that you've wedged yourself into a corner. Again, you started this.

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From my corner you're looking more and more pathetic. You had a mediocre games, there was good competition, but they fell flat in many other ways. I'm trying to change the subject back to Sochi. I'll meet you in the Vancouver folders if you like, but please let these guys have a crack at their own page.

Here's a picture of one of the earlier Sochi stadiums which I really liked, I hadn't seem this picture before.

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Not to mention that VANOC had to deal with the worst global recession since the Great Depression. Yet still, it faired quite well in the end. Vancouver and all of Canada has escaped the devastating effects of the recession seen in the U.S. and Europe; Canada has remained relatively unscathed due to fiscal prudence and being fiscally conservative - traits that VANOC also had. Same goes with our banks, there's a reason why Canada's banks have stayed afloat and have even seen great profits - they certainly didn't need any bailout. And one of these banks, the Royal Bank of Canada, was VANOC's largest sponsor.

Canada stays away from excess. It's the polar opposite of what Greece has become.

I see that you've wedged yourself into a corner. Again, you started this.

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From my corner you're looking more and more pathetic. You had a mediocre games, there was good competition, but they fell flat in many other ways. I'm trying to change the subject back to Sochi. I'll meet you in the Vancouver folders if you like, but please let these guys have a crack at their own page.

Seems like you're the narrow minded and shallow type...the type with penis envy, that likes watching things blow up, etc.

And you've been defeated with logic, reason, and the facts. Let me re-emphasize the fact once again that you were the one that brought up Vancouver in this Sochi topic in the first place, and now that you've been defeated you're trying to change the subject. It's not surprising that you've resorted to this, you clearly have nothing to respond to the above posts except "no, full stop".

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