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Now that even Australians are taking notice in what New Zealand is doing about their national stadium, i think its time to start a topic.

Yes, even one of their own said it, Eden Park is a piece of ####! Anh hounestly, New Zealand desearves better.

Going on minimal information about the Eden site (except it hosts rugby and cricket yet still looks poor) i would suggest maybe something Berlin Olympic Stadium like.

A formal venue with grandstands all the way around with a pitch versitile for cricket, rugby and soccer (possibly athletics)

I was going to suggest something like Telstra Stadium...But we all know New Zealand doesnt have that kinda cahs laying around

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We are talking about NZ here. If Australia can afford to build Suncorp Stadium, Telstra Dome, Telstra Stadium and MCG redevelopment in the last 10 year then NZ can afford $300-400m to build one National Stadium.

Australia has Telstra Stadium, England has Twickenham, Scotland has Murryfield, Wales has Millennium Stadium, South Africa has Ellis Park and France has Stade de France but we have nothing.  

We need a world class rugby stadium like Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. Millennium Stadium is the ideal type of stadium we need. 70,000-75,000 seats, great atmosphere and closing roof (for all that horrible Auckland weather.) I think they should build a new rugby stadium and keep Eden Park for cricket. But if they did this over a long time (say 10-15 years) and slowly build up the Financial support, then they could look at building one with cricket and athletics capabilities.  

If we were to build a stadium with moving seat to host Cricket or Athletics would put the prise up a lot. Stadium Australia cost $800mNZD and the Stade de France was $750mNZD, which its way too expensive for NZ but Millennium Stadium was only $350mNZD. If the government can pay $400mNZD for Te papa Museum of New Zealand I think they could put a considerable amount to a new stadium.

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We are talking about NZ here. If Australia can afford to build Suncorp Stadium, Telstra Dome, Telstra Stadium and MCG redevelopment in the last 10 year then NZ can afford $300-400m to build one National Stadium.

Australia has Telstra Stadium, England has Twickenham, Scotland has Murryfield, Wales has Millennium Stadium, South Africa has Ellis Park and France has Stade de France but we have nothing.  

We need a world class rugby stadium like Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. Millennium Stadium is the ideal type of stadium we need. 70,000-75,000 seats, great atmosphere and closing roof (for all that horrible Auckland weather.) I think they should build a new rugby stadium and keep Eden Park for cricket. But if they did this over a long time (say 10-15 years) and slowly build up the Financial support, then they could look at building one with cricket and athletics capabilities.  

If we were to build a stadium with moving seat to host Cricket or Athletics would put the prise up a lot. Stadium Australia cost $800mNZD and the Stade de France was $750mNZD, which its way too expensive for NZ but Millennium Stadium was only $350mNZD. If the government can pay $400mNZD for Te papa Museum of New Zealand I think they could put a considerable amount to a new stadium.

True..though please note

-Telstra Dome was largely funded by the AFL and Colonial Bank

-Telstra Stadium was only built becuase of the games

-Suncorp, again largly funded by the NRL, ARB and Suncorp Metway

-The MCG was basically half paid for by the MCC and has a VERY strong lasting legacy.

Anyway, back to Eden.

A Millenium Stadium like venue in Auckland may be the plan...That way it could also act as a major convention site and would be worthy for sport, expo's and indoor concerts.

Though would New Zealand be able to justify +70,000seats for rugby.

Yes it matches against Australia, The Springbok and UK teams...Though would it be useful to local Rugby League Teams and New Zealands Super14's...Ofcourse there is alays North Shore.

Image in it now.... Air Zealand Stadium

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We are talking about NZ here. If Australia can afford to build Suncorp Stadium, Telstra Dome, Telstra Stadium and MCG redevelopment in the last 10 year then NZ can afford $300-400m to build one National Stadium.

Australia has Telstra Stadium, England has Twickenham, Scotland has Murryfield, Wales has Millennium Stadium, South Africa has Ellis Park and France has Stade de France but we have nothing.  

We need a world class rugby stadium like Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. Millennium Stadium is the ideal type of stadium we need. 70,000-75,000 seats, great atmosphere and closing roof (for all that horrible Auckland weather.) I think they should build a new rugby stadium and keep Eden Park for cricket. But if they did this over a long time (say 10-15 years) and slowly build up the Financial support, then they could look at building one with cricket and athletics capabilities.  

If we were to build a stadium with moving seat to host Cricket or Athletics would put the prise up a lot. Stadium Australia cost $800mNZD and the Stade de France was $750mNZD, which its way too expensive for NZ but Millennium Stadium was only $350mNZD. If the government can pay $400mNZD for Te papa Museum of New Zealand I think they could put a considerable amount to a new stadium.

True..though please note

-Telstra Dome was largely funded by the AFL and Colonial Bank

-Telstra Stadium was only built becuase of the games

-Suncorp, again largly funded by the NRL, ARB and Suncorp Metway

-The MCG was basically half paid for by the MCC and has a VERY strong lasting legacy.

Anyway, back to Eden.

A Millenium Stadium like venue in Auckland may be the plan...That way it could also act as a major convention site and would be worthy for sport, expo's and indoor concerts.

Though would New Zealand be able to justify +70,000seats for rugby.

Yes it matches against Australia, The Springbok and UK teams...Though would it be useful to local Rugby League Teams and New Zealands Super14's...Ofcourse there is alays North Shore.

Image in it now.... Air Zealand Stadium

Well if Cardiff (900,000) and Wales (2,800,000) can sustain a 74,000 seat stadium, Auckland (1,300,000) and NZ (4,100,000) could probably sustain a stadium around 70,000. and kiwis are just as made about rugby as the welsh.

It would probably be full for Test matches (England, France, Wales, Australia and South Africa.), Tri Nations, Super 14 final, NZ Premiership League (domestic rugby union.) and it would defiantly be bulging at the seems for a Bledisloe Cup match. It’s kinda embarrassing to see a Bledisloe Cup being held in Telstra with thousands of screaming aussies then the next match in some dinky little carisbrook or eden park.

You wouldn’t get huge crowds to warriors matches but then again, Sydney doesn’t get huge crowds for the NRL matches either, only for finals really. But if the Warriors made it to the finals maybe we could have the final in NZ and then you would get a packed house.

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We are talking about NZ here. If Australia can afford to build Suncorp Stadium, Telstra Dome, Telstra Stadium and MCG redevelopment in the last 10 year then NZ can afford $300-400m to build one National Stadium.

Australia has Telstra Stadium, England has Twickenham, Scotland has Murryfield, Wales has Millennium Stadium, South Africa has Ellis Park and France has Stade de France but we have nothing.  

We need a world class rugby stadium like Millennium Stadium in Cardiff. Millennium Stadium is the ideal type of stadium we need. 70,000-75,000 seats, great atmosphere and closing roof (for all that horrible Auckland weather.) I think they should build a new rugby stadium and keep Eden Park for cricket. But if they did this over a long time (say 10-15 years) and slowly build up the Financial support, then they could look at building one with cricket and athletics capabilities.  

If we were to build a stadium with moving seat to host Cricket or Athletics would put the prise up a lot. Stadium Australia cost $800mNZD and the Stade de France was $750mNZD, which its way too expensive for NZ but Millennium Stadium was only $350mNZD. If the government can pay $400mNZD for Te papa Museum of New Zealand I think they could put a considerable amount to a new stadium.

True..though please note

-Telstra Dome was largely funded by the AFL and Colonial Bank

-Telstra Stadium was only built becuase of the games

-Suncorp, again largly funded by the NRL, ARB and Suncorp Metway

-The MCG was basically half paid for by the MCC and has a VERY strong lasting legacy.

Anyway, back to Eden.

A Millenium Stadium like venue in Auckland may be the plan...That way it could also act as a major convention site and would be worthy for sport, expo's and indoor concerts.

Though would New Zealand be able to justify +70,000seats for rugby.

Yes it matches against Australia, The Springbok and UK teams...Though would it be useful to local Rugby League Teams and New Zealands Super14's...Ofcourse there is alays North Shore.

Image in it now.... Air Zealand Stadium

Well if Cardiff (900,000) and Wales (2,800,000) can sustain a 74,000 seat stadium, Auckland (1,300,000) and NZ (4,100,000) could probably sustain a stadium around 70,000. and kiwis are just as made about rugby as the welsh.

It would probably be full for Test matches (England, France, Wales, Australia and South Africa.), Tri Nations, Super 14 final, NZ Premiership League (domestic rugby union.) and it would defiantly be bulging at the seems for a Bledisloe Cup match. It’s kinda embarrassing to see a Bledisloe Cup being held in Telstra with thousands of screaming aussies then the next match in some dinky little carisbrook or eden park.

You wouldn’t get huge crowds to warriors matches but then again, Sydney doesn’t get huge crowds for the NRL matches either, only for finals really. But if the Warriors made it to the finals maybe we could have the final in NZ and then you would get a packed house.

Yes, New Zealand may be bigger and more of a rugby nation...But Wales has Scotland, England and Ireland all close by...full of rugby mad people willing to pay a few pound to catch the train or drive to Cardiff.

New Zealands a littleharder to get to..Even for Australian's.

Still a 70,000seat stadium would be justified in New Zealand if it was sold out 5-10times a year... If the Commonwealths or Rugby World Cup went there to it would be a major asset.

Its one thing to build a big stadium, but you need a large event to back it up

ie: Millenium Stadium 1999RWC, Telstra Olympics2000, 2003RWC, Amsterdam Arena Euro2000, Wembley Future SWC

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Rugby World Cup 2015 or 2019. I know the NZRU believe the world cup would be too big for us by then but having a large stadium would probably change there minds and we could always hold matches in Australia. And maybe a Commonwealth Games, but then would would have to build a stadium like Stade de France which = $$$$$$$$$$$$
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ie: Millenium Stadium 1999RWC, Telstra Olympics2000, 2003RWC, Amsterdam Arena Euro2000, Wembley Future SWC

The building of Wembley stadium is mutually exclusive from England hosting the Football world cup.

This is substantiated by the fact that Wembley stadium is still being built, despite Engalnd losing the 2006 world cup bid.

The background to Wembley is complicated- the initial idea was to build an English national stadium, capable of hosting Football, Athletics, Rugby and many more events.

Many cities throughout England bid, including Bham, Manchester, Coventry. But Wembley, London was picked.

However, once designed the stadium was deemed unsuitable to host athletics reguarly ( an additional platform would need to be built to house a running track which to build and dismantle would have held up football matches for more than 1 year).

This is one of the reasons why it took so long to start building Wembley. Anyway, the decision was made to construct a national English football stadium, and that's why the stadium was still built, despite not being a venue for athletics.

As for redeeming the cost of building Wembley- the stadium will host all England international games, it will host the FA cup final (which is a world followed event). Also, it was decided that both FA cup semi-finals will also be staged at Wembley (like Cardiff did this summer), to help recuperate the building costs.

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Well if Cardiff (900,000) and Wales (2,800,000) can sustain a 74,000 seat stadium,

In the 2001 census, Cardiff's population was recorded to be 305,340, (making it the 16th largest settlement in the United Kingdom)

yeah but greater Cardiff's population is about 900,000

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Well if Cardiff (900,000) and Wales (2,800,000) can sustain a 74,000 seat stadium,

In the 2001 census, Cardiff's population was recorded to be 305,340, (making it the 16th largest settlement in the United Kingdom)

yeah but greater Cardiff's population is about 900,000

That is true, however in the UK when statistics are published, they tend not to include "greater" areas of cities. Hence the 2001 census put Manchester's population at 392,819.

But the population of greater Manchester (including places like Bolton, Salford, Rochdale, Stockport, Wigan and Bury) is 2,482,328.

In the UK, Bolton, Wigan are considered to be/ and treated as  separate towns.

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Well if Cardiff (900,000) and Wales (2,800,000) can sustain a 74,000 seat stadium,

In the 2001 census, Cardiff's population was recorded to be 305,340, (making it the 16th largest settlement in the United Kingdom)

yeah but greater Cardiff's population is about 900,000

There is absolutely no way that Cardiff has a population of 900K, greater or otherwise. That would involve making virtually the whole of South Wales into a Cardiff Metro area. By the same standard you would have the Manchester metro area running from Liverpool to Leeds taking in some 10 million people and London would have a population of almost 20 million. In the UK where population density is very high everywhere you just can't do that like you can in larger or less dense countries where cities are spaced out more and have fairly distinctive "sphere's of influence".

The reason why Cardiff has the Millenium Stadium is because it is the capital of Wales and it was mainly funded by the "British" lottery. In actual fact Wales/Cardiff can't support the Millenium Stadium and it is or will have to be subsidised by the Welsh Assembly because Welsh Rugby can't really afford it.

I reckon NZ as a whole can have one big national stadium of 70,000 as long as the government is prepared to support it in the long term in the interests of the country as a whole. NZ's population is growing and becoming more prosperous so I don't see why the government can't shell out for this....especially now they have no air force to maintain anymore...surely that saving alone could fund a large stadium!?

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I’m sure that i read somewhere that Cardiff had a greater population of around 900k, must have been wrong.

The NZ government has so much money stored away it’s not funny. They have the financial resources for this stadium. The last major government funded construction in New Zealand of this type was the Te papa Museum of New Zealand in which +$400mNZD was handed out. If the government is going to do this, it’s going to be over long period of time. I think if NZ loses its bid to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup (in which there is a big chance it will) it will show the NZRU, NZ government and the Auckland City Council that Eden Park is not up to standard.

There are even whispers in the halls SANZA that NZ’s stadia aren’t even up to the standard of the Tri Nations which is a good point, Eden Park isn’t even in the same ball park as Ellis Park and Telstra Stadium. It’s not just the capacity of Eden Park is too small, it’s a horribly designed stadium and has no atmosphere what so ever. You think that would be a big enough wake up call to the NZRU and government.

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:) I remeber starting a topic like this in October last year when Auckland Mayor, Richard Hubbard mouthed off about his city hosting the 2040 Olympics (and getting infrastructure ready for it starting now), which he has now firmly kept his mouth shut on.

People must understand that although Auckland is capible of building a 70kpax stadium, within a two hour flying distance there are only 4million people to call on, and within 4 hours, another 6million (Australian eastern seaboard).

Cardiff, Edinbrugh, and London have a pool of around 200million people within easy flying time mentioned.

nzolympic is right in saying Eden Park is a dump, it simply is...

Sadly New Zealand has got it into it's mindset that every sports code must have it's own temple in all five major urban areas accross the nation.  

Another reason is the cost.  To maintain it's First World status, NZers are highly taxed as it's population falls short of the 6million threshold to sustain it's way of life.  A new stadium would have to be built to last for a hundred years and planners would have to get it right first time.

That process would take 15 years best, far too late for 2011.

Finding the work force needed will take away resourses that are over streached rebuilding the roading system, the railway and general construction in a booming economy that still refuses to slow down enough to breathe.

Wellington seems to have the idea with Westpac Stadium, BUT and steve o's going to scream, the seating arrangement is far too small.  At the moment it would be the ideal ground to have a retractable roof.

I know everyone in this thread means well, but unless you live here, you simply can't understand the fustration of people wanting whats best for NZ but lacking the resourses to build it all the while wondering how we are going to pay for it.

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Wellington seems to have the idea with Westpac Stadium, BUT and steve o's going to scream, the seating arrangement is far too small.  

why would that make me scream? 34,500 is too small, the original plan was too build a 41,000 seat stadium.

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