Toronto?

[monorail]

Drip Drip, Leak Leak!

Announcement from COC expected in July.

That is all to be said for now!

What do you know?

[Faster]

What do you know?

I know enough to know the Ford is a bigger idiot then Boris Johnson and with Tim Hudek likely becoming Premier and having Ontario-hating Harper as Prime Ministr there will be no bid from Toronto.

[monorail]

I know enough to know the Ford is a bigger idiot then Boris Johnson and with Tim Hudek likely becoming Premier and having Ontario-hating Harper as Prime Ministr there will be no bid from Toronto.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ontario the reason Stephen Harper finally won a Majority government this time around?

[Faster]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ontario the reason Stephen Harper finally won a Majority government this time around?

No accounting for the stupidity of my fellow Ontarians to hand Harper the very weapon to smack us down further.

[intoronto]

No accounting for the stupidity of my fellow Ontarians to hand Harper the very weapon to smack us down further.

Faster wow just wow.

The only benefits Toronto will get out of hosting the Pan Am games is the brand new Aquatic facility on University of Toronto's Scarbourough Campus, improvements to transportation infrastructure, and a whole bunch of venues that would be used for training during an Olympics. Toronto will still need to build a lot of new venues when they bid for an Olympics including a Stadium, Veledrome and I'm pretty sure they'll build a brand new Aquatic Centre for the games as well and use the Scarbourough location as a training venue. Overall, the best thing Toronto can get out of the 2015 Pan American Games is the experience in hosting an International Multi Sporting event. That will look good on its resume.

With that said, I think Toronto will opt out of 2020 and put forth its candidacy for 2024. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they tried for 2020 but I think it would be more wise and wait for 2024. I don't think the USA are bidding for 2020 so Toronto won't be shut out from entering for 2024.

Old post but I refute that.

Toronto needs probably 2-3 more permanent venues at best.

[*20ron20*]

What do you know?

Marcel is totally on board for a Toronto bid, Rob and Dalton have kept the lines of communication open and are working together. If there are individuals that believe nothing is being planned and in the works, then your sadly mistaken. Most believed Marcel would totally be anti-Ontario (Toronto) and would be all pro-Quebec City 2022, well I can tell you that as much as Quebec City wants to bid for those games, the direction of the COC is focused on a Summer Olympics in Toronto. This shouldn't be much of a surprise to most. Stadium preparations are already underway as preliminary studies are taking place. The Games will be modeled around Toronto's waterfront again, this is 99.99% confirmed.

[Rob2012]

Nice username.

[Apple]

Rumour has it that COC will be having a formal announcement in late July on Toronto 2020.

[Faster]

I will believe it when I see it. Harper will not back a bid.

[intoronto]

Rumour has it that COC will be having a formal announcement in late July on Toronto 2020.

Where are you getting this rumor? Sources please.

[monorail]

Why do some find it hard to believe that Toronto actually may bid? Out of all the possible countries bidding, Canada probably has the most stable economy out of the bunch.

I will believe it when I see it. Harper will not back a bid.

You really dislike Harper lol

[Faster]

1) Vancouver just hosted

2) Toronto is hosting the 2015 Pan American Games, but didn't use it to build world class venues but instead spread everything around and build national level venues

3) 2 of 3 levels of government are currently Conservative and the other is likely to become Conservative in October

4) Harper's policy of 2 major events per 10 year span.

[monorail]

1. Vancouver is not that big of a problem as some make it to be. I guess that's a big negative for Rome then too with Torino.

2. The venues that are being built for the Pan Ams could be used as training facilities for the Olympics. Realistically, how many permanent sporting venues would have to be built? 3-4?? The rest are temporary or existing venues.

3. I know you may not be a supporter of the Progressive Conservative Party but I don't see it as a problem for Ontario or Toronto considering Toronto and the GTA region is the reason why the Conservatives won a 1st MAJORITY government. Let's admit it, the Liberals blew this time around. I doubt the Conservatives ignore Toronto and its surrounding regions

4.Can you post a link where I can read that Stephen Harper has a "formal" policy of 2 major events every 10 years? 2020 is the begining of a new decade anyways!

[intoronto]

1) Vancouver just hosted

2) Toronto is hosting the 2015 Pan American Games, but didn't use it to build world class venues but instead spread everything around and build national level venues

3) 2 of 3 levels of government are currently Conservative and the other is likely to become Conservative in October

4) Harper's policy of 2 major events per 10 year span.

1) Vancouver hosted a terrific games IOC members wouldn't mind

That span was the 2008-2018. (Vancouver and the 2015PAG) 2020 is a full 2 years after that.

[monorail]

1) Vancouver hosted a terrific games IOC members wouldn't mind

That span was the 2008-2018. (Vancouver and the 2015PAG) 2020 is a full 2 years after that.

I don't understand that. Sorry. What's in 2018?

[intoronto]

1) Vancouver hosted a terrific games IOC members wouldn't mind

That span was the 2008-2018. (Vancouver and the 2015PAG) 2020 is a full 2 years after that.

Apparently, the COC wants to be more aggressive in bidding for Olympic events.

http://www.olympic.ca/en/news/coc-president-speaks-new-vision-bidding-hosting-major-games/

And to the question of venues in Toronto I think 2 new and permanent venues are needed and a third that will be transformed after the games. *Venue status as of 2020.

Archery- Et Seton Park (Temporary) 6,000

Athletics- New Stadium @ the Portlands (Permanent) 92,000 (downgrade to 67,000 for a NFL team or 25,000 for the Argos)

Badminton- Maple Leaf Gardens (Existing/Renovated) 5,000

Basketball- Air Canada center (Existing) 19,800

Boxing- New Boxing Forum (New) 10,000 (will be transformed similar to the Richmond Oval)

Canoeing- Rowing/Canoeing course on Lake Ontario (Temporary) 15,000 Slalom- New 4,000 seat arena (seats will be removed and will become an attraction/recreation facility)

Cycling- BMX- Centenial park (Existing) 5,000 Track- Hamilton Velodrome (Existing) 5,000 (Expansion) Road- Course on the streets of Toronto and Mountain biking- Course@ Hardwood hill (Temporary).

Diving- Toronto Aquatics Center (Existing) 10,000 (Expansion to 15,000 is possible)

Equestrian- Equestrian stadium@ Downsview Park (Temporary) 7,000

Fencing- Pan Am Field house (Existing) 3,000

Field Hockey- Pan Am Field hockey center (Existing) 5,000 (expansion to 7,000 is probably needed)

Football- BMO Field (Existing) expansion to 27,000 seats, Rogers Center (Existing) 50,600, Olympic Stadium see above, Ivor Wynne Stadium (Existing) (Hamilton) (Expansion to 40,000 temporarily), Ottawa stadium (Existing) 33,000 .

Golf- Some existing golf course in Toronto.

Gymnastics- Ricoh Colisum (Existing) 8,000

Handball- Direct Energy Center Hall A (Temporary) 4,000 Finals at Air Canada Center (see basketball)

Judo- A new arena on the campus of UofT or York (New) 5,000

Modern Pentathlon-Equestrian, Running, Shooting (Equestrian park see above) Swimming, Fencing (Toronto Aquatic Center/Field house see above)

Rowing- See Canoeing

Rugby sevens- Rogers center (Existing) 50,600 held in the last two days of competition

Sailing- Royal Canadian Yacht Club (Existing) Over 500

Shooting- See fencing (Pistol) Shotgun- Durham college (Oshawa) (Existing) 2,500

Swimming- see diving

Synchro swimming- see diving

Table tennis- Direct Energy Center Hall B (Temporary) 2,500

Taekwondo- See Judo

Tennis- Rexall center (Existing) 12,500

Triathlon- Toronto world cup course/Pan Am Course (Temporary)

Volleyball- Beach Exhibition place stadium (Temporary) 8,000 Indoor- Copps Coliseum (Existing) 17,000

Water polo- Markham water polo center (Existing) 3,000

Weightlifting- Molson Ampitheatre- (Existing) 11,000 (First time ever outside venue.

Wrestling- See Badminton

I don't understand that. Sorry. What's in 2018?

Nothing, but thats when Harpers policy started (2008) so 2018 is 10 years after 2008.

[Faster]

Toronto has about the same base as London had, they will need at least a dozen new venues.

Edited June 2, 2011 by Faster

[FYI]

Y do some people keep making that same black-N-white comparison between Vancouver & Turin.

Italy has several very powerful members in the IOC, is a great SUMMER Olympic powerhouse, is a country twice the size of Canada, still hasn't hosted as recently if we're going to throw in Turin in the equation anyway, & Rome is one of Europe's (if not the world's) most prestiges cities.

It's apples & oranges, to say the least.

[monorail]

Y do some people keep making that same black-N-white comparison between Vancouver & Turin.

Italy has several very powerful members in the IOC, is a great SUMMER Olympic powerhouse, is a country twice the size of Canada, still hasn't hosted as recently if we're going to throw in Turin in the equation anyway, & Rome is one of Europe's (if not the world's) most prestiges cities.

It's apples & oranges, to say the least.

Your adding other factors into it though. I was responding to the fact that Vancouver is close to Toronto 2020 as Torino would be close to Rome 2020 as Vancouver was previously brought up. No one is asking for other factors that may be advantageous to Rome. I was simply stating both have the same Winter-Summer host combo, only difference is a 4 year gap.

[intoronto]

Y do some people keep making that same black-N-white comparison between Vancouver & Turin.

Italy has several very powerful members in the IOC, is a great SUMMER Olympic powerhouse, is a country twice the size of Canada, still hasn't hosted as recently if we're going to throw in Turin in the equation anyway, & Rome is one of Europe's (if not the world's) most prestiges cities.

It's apples & oranges, to say the least.

Italy is hardly a power since 1996 their medal tally has been declining. Canada wants to finish in the top 12 in London (which is a year before the decision) which would entail about 28-30 medals which is what Italy won in Beijing. Secondly, the Vancouver games were better then the ones in Turin which is sure to help Canada's cause (more fan atmosphere etc.). Toronto is not as prestigious as Rome, but is a world city (rated in the top 5 most livable cities in the world and is in the "Alpha world city" category, which is one category higher then Rome.). IOC members, Italy has 4 strong members, Canada has Richard Pound who was runner up to Rogge in elections for presidency and is really influential. Also add in the fact Vazquez Rana will probably support Toronto as well (as he did with the PAG). Not really Apples and Oranges.

[monorail]

Toronto has about the same base as London had, they will need at least a dozen new venues.

Permanent:

Athletics Stadium

Aquatics Centre

Veledrome

Temporary:

Archery Centre

Hockey Centre

Pentathlon + Equestrian Centre

Shooting Centre

Am I missing anything else Faster?

[intoronto]

Permanent:

Athletics Stadium

Aquatics Centre

Veledrome

Temporary:

Archery Centre

Hockey Centre

Pentathlon + Equestrian Centre

Shooting Centre

Am I missing anything else Faster?

Veldrome can be the one in Hamilton, Aquatics Center is already built and can be expanded to 15,000 (Beijing was 17,000)

Shooting can be held at the field house being built for the PAG. The hockey stadium is being built for the PAG.

[monorail]

And let's not forget how much the Italian economy sucks. It's not as bad as Greece and Spain but still very mediocre.

Veldrome can be the one in Hamilton, Aquatics Center is already built and can be expanded to 15,000 (Beijing was 17,000)

Shooting can be held at the field house being built for the PAG. The hockey stadium is being built for the PAG.

They will build a brand new Veledrome.

I'm still on the fence about the Aquatics Centre though. The Aquatics Centre they're building in Scarborough for the Pan Am Games will be top of the line state of the art, etc. but it's not really linked well to the TTC subway system. This leads me to believe another Aquatics Centre will be built in downtown Toronto, on the Portlands as part of the Olympic Park, alongside the Veledrome. The Scarborough Aquatic Centre can sustain itself as it will be very much used by the University of Toronto.

[intoronto]

And let's not forget how much the Italian economy sucks. It's not as bad as Greece and Spain but still very mediocre.

They will build a brand new Veledrome.

I'm still on the fence about the Aquatics Centre though. The Aquatics Centre they're building in Scarborough for the Pan Am Games will be top of the line state of the art, etc. but it's not really linked well to the TTC subway system. This leads me to believe another Aquatics Centre will be built in downtown Toronto, on the Portlands as part of the Olympic Park, alongside the Veledrome. The Scarborough Aquatic Centre can sustain itself as it will be very much used by the University of Toronto.

By 2020 that should not be a problem. Why build a veldrome when one is literally less then an hour away? Which is half the distance between Whistler and Vancouver.

[Faster]

Apparently, the COC wants to be more aggressive in bidding for Olympic events.

http://www.olympic.ca/en/news/coc-president-speaks-new-vision-bidding-hosting-major-games/

And to the question of venues in Toronto I think 2 new and permanent venues are needed and a third that will be transformed after the games. *Venue status as of 2020.

Archery- Et Seton Park (Temporary) 6,000

Athletics- New Stadium @ the Portlands (Permanent) 92,000 (downgrade to 67,000 for a NFL team or 25,000 for the Argos)

Badminton- Maple Leaf Gardens (Existing/Renovated) 5,000

Basketball- Air Canada center (Existing) 19,800 basketball and volleyball venues traditionally share, especially for finals

Boxing- New Boxing Forum (New) 10,000 (will be transformed similar to the Richmond Oval) If a sport is shipped off to Hamitlon boxing is the most likely.

Canoeing- Rowing/Canoeing course on Lake Ontario (Temporary) 15,000 Slalom- New 4,000 seat arena (seats will be removed and will become an attraction/recreation facility) This could actually be the first time rowing and canoe/kayak were apart of the Olympic Park

Cycling- BMX- Centenial park (Existing) 5,000 Track- Hamilton Velodrome (Existing) 5,000 (Expansion) Road- Course on the streets of Toronto and Mountain biking- Course@ Hardwood hill (Temporary). Hamilton's velodrome is too small and not trying to get a velodrome at 6 to 9,000 would short revenue the OC on much needed ticket revenue, plus a principle event is not being shipped an hour away

Diving- Toronto Aquatics Center (Existing) 10,000 (Expansion to 15,000 is possible) a venue around 18,000 is much more likely and favourable and one that is centrally located, as in at the Olympic park, the Pan Am venue would likely only be used for water polo and pentathlon

Equestrian- Equestrian stadium@ Downsview Park (Temporary) 7,000

Fencing- Pan Am Field house (Existing) 3,000 5,000 is more likely and the Metro Convention Centre a more suitable venue

Field Hockey- Pan Am Field hockey center (Existing) 5,000 (expansion to 7,000 is probably needed) Almost positive that field hockey requires at least 10,000 seats

Football- BMO Field (Existing) expansion to 27,000 seats, Rogers Center (Existing) 50,600, Olympic Stadium see above, Ivor Wynne Stadium (Existing) (Hamilton) (Expansion to 40,000 temporarily), Ottawa stadium (Existing) 33,000 . BMO field can not be expanded due to its location and issues between MLSE and the Ex, otherwise they would have already expanded it

Golf- Some existing golf course in Toronto. Glen Abby, Angus Glen or St. George

Gymnastics- Ricoh Colisum (Existing) 8,000 much, much too small for the second most popular sport. Artist gymnastics would be held in front of at least 15,000, 10,000 for volleyball or used for trampoline and rhythmic gymnastics

Handball- Direct Energy Center Hall A (Temporary) 4,000 Finals at Air Canada Center (see basketball) Handball needs at 6,000 seat venue I believe, 4,000 is much too small

Judo- A new arena on the campus of UofT or York (New) 5,000 or ya know the Metro Toronto Convention Centre

Modern Pentathlon-Equestrian, Running, Shooting (Equestrian park see above) Swimming, Fencing (Toronto Aquatic Center/Field house see above)

Rowing- See Canoeing

Rugby sevens- Rogers center (Existing) 50,600 held in the last two days of competition probably make more sense to use as a football venue and BMO field as a rugby venue

Sailing- Royal Canadian Yacht Club (Existing) Over 500

Shooting- See fencing (Pistol) Shotgun- Durham college (Oshawa) (Existing) 2,500 right location, wrong venue capacity

Swimming- see diving

Synchro swimming- see diving

Table tennis- Direct Energy Center Hall B (Temporary) 2,500 again too small

Taekwondo- See Judo

Tennis- Rexall center (Existing) 12,500

Triathlon- Toronto world cup course/Pan Am Course (Temporary)

Volleyball- Beach Exhibition place stadium (Temporary) 8,000 Indoor- Copps Coliseum (Existing) 17,000

Water polo- Markham water polo center (Existing) 3,000 again too small, as I said previously likely at the Pan Am Aquatic Center

Weightlifting- Molson Ampitheatre- (Existing) 11,000 (First time ever outside venue.

Wrestling- See Badminton

Edited June 2, 2011 by Faster