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Mayor Tory and Premier Wynee will be having meetings today about TO24. Shits getting serious

Toronto Mayor John Tory and Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne will speak to reporters after a meeting this morning at Queen's Park.CBC.ca will live stream their appearance, which is expected to start at around 9:30 a.m. ET.

The news conference comes as Toronto hosts the Pan Am Games and speculation about the city's potential bid for the 2024 Olympic Summer Games is amping up.

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While Toronto has until mid-September to present his candidacy for the Olympic Games 2024, it is unclear if a majority of councilors would support such a project.

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The President of the Canadian Olympic Committee, Marcel Aubut, said the ball was in the City camp.

For his part, President of the Organizing Committee of the Pan American Games, David Peterson thinks Toronto could use the Panam as a springboard to the Olympics.

However, many councilors oppose the idea or have doubts. Radio-Canada surveyed 44 Toronto aldermen. Of the 20 respondents, nine were in favor of an Olympic bid, 5 against, and 6 undecided.
"[The Olympics] bring a lot of infrastructure, but in the end, we're stuck with the bill. Montreal is still paying for the 1976 Games "
- Jim Karygiannis, Councillor

For his part, Councillor Michael Thompson thinks that there is not enough time to study the matter before mid-September, but that "the possibility exists for other Olympics."
Toronto Mayor John Tory accompanied by a torchbearer of Panam (archives). Toronto Mayor John Tory says the city is "alive" thanks to Panam. Photo: PC / Nathan Denette

Her colleague Shelley Carroll says she, rather than Toronto should continue to study the feasibility of a bid for the 2025 Universal Exposition.

The mayor remains vague

For his part, Mayor John Tory refuses to comment before the end of panam Sunday Games, saying it would be "speculative." But it does not close the door.
"I saw a great success of Pan Am Games. After [the Panam], it will be time to consider the possibilities. "
- John Tory, Toronto Mayor

His Deputy Mayor Denzil Minnan-Wong, he does not hide his intentions. "I would be in favor of [Olympic] candidature, if adequate funding is in place," he said. An application could cost $ 50 million. Moreover, Toronto should get support from provincial and federal governments.

Nevertheless, the deputy mayor said that the International Olympic Committee has relaxed its rules to make them more affordable OJ, for facilities, among others. According to him, the Canadian metropolis could form partnerships with other cities, as is the case for Panam, whose events take place around the Toronto and Hamilton areas.

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Boston Mayor Marty Walsh, also covets the Olympics in 2024. The mayor of Boston, Marty Walsh, also covets the Olympics in 2024. Photo: AP / Elise Amendola

Paris, Boston, Rome, Hamburg and Budapest are already vying for 2024.

However, according to many observers, the economic situation is good for Toronto, because the previous Summer Olympic Games in 2020 will take place in Tokyo, Japan. The tradition of alternating between the east and west of the world therefore would ensure that it would be in America's turn to host the Olympics in 2024.

Moreover, the application Boston was criticized for its lack of detail, particularly. That said, it remains to see if Toronto could do better in a month and a half.

The former Ontario Minister David Peterson believes that Toronto "has a chance." He added several members of the Olympic Committee prompted him to file a candidacy. For its part, the Canadian Olympic Committee refused to comment before the end of Panam.

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Nothing is confirmed but it does seem like Toronto is very serious about putting in a bid. It's sorta the same talk as before. No announcement until the Pan Am games are complete.

The tweets are coming in.

Ari Goldkind @AriGoldkind 45m45 minutes ago

Toronto Olympic bid now tacitly confirmed. There should be no such wasteful bid/games w/o election or clear referendum on it #TOpoli

CBC Toronto @CBCToronto 56m56 minutes ago

Re: Olympic bid, Tory says everything is on the table until it's taken off the table. Talk about Games 'premature' at this point. #cbcto

CP24 @CP24 11m11 minutes ago

Tory says he won't rule out possible Olympic bid http://www.cp24.com/news/tory-says-he-won-t-rule-out-possible-olympic-bid-1.2481586

Matt Elliott @GraphicMatt 58m58 minutes ago

Tory is asked if an Olympic bid is still on the table. "I guess everything is on the table until you take things off the table," he says.

John Michael McGrath @jm_mcgrath 1h1 hour ago

John Tory says not announcing an Olympic bid today, but says success of Pan Am Games may open the door. (ugh)

Nick Zaccardi @nzaccardi 27m27 minutes ago

Toronto mayor says Olympic bid possible ... http://olympictalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/22/toronto-olympic-bid-pan-american-games/

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After hosting 2015 Pan Am Games, Toronto could ‘endear itself to the country’ if it won an Olympic bid

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Tyler Anderson / National PostThe Toronto sign that was setup in front of city hall for the Pan Am Games.

TORONTO – Hosting the 2024 Summer Olympics would finally help Toronto “endear itself to the country,” according to the former leader of Vancouver’s Olympic committee, who suggested the city’s handling of the Pan American Games this summer would be a boost for any potential bid.

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John Furlong said the experience from hosting the multi-sport event, which is open to 41 competing Pan Am nations, is something other bid cities such as Rome, Paris and Boston could not easily match. At around the same time on Wednesday morning, Toronto Mayor John Tory conceded there has been “great discussion” around a possible Olympic future.

“It’s highly likely there will be a conversation before the week is out,” Furlong said. “On Monday morning, people will wake up in a euphoric state — not just people who believe in sport, generally, and not just people in political life — and be willing to cast a thought for, ‘What would it be like for us to put on the Olympics Games?’”

The Pan Am Games will draw to a close on Sunday night, with Kanye West headlining a group of artists in the closing ceremony. After initial concerns of civic apathy, wrapped around fear of traffic chaos and glacial ticket sales, the event gained momentum through its opening weekend, powered by a run of Canadian medal successes.

Organizers say they have sold one million tickets, out of the 1.2 million that were made available. Some events have unfolded in front of gaping maws of empty seats; many events have been sold out.

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THE CANADIAN PRESS/Darryl DyckOwn The Podium chair John Furlong, former Vancouver Olympic Organizing Committee CEO, stands for a photograph. When visiting Toronto for the Pan Am Games, he talked about the city's potential to host the Olympics.

“I think the Pan American Games is a pretty good test,” Furlong said. “People were kind of watching and wondering just exactly how this would all go.”

The 64-year-old was in Toronto for his role as chair of Own the Podium, the organization that helps direct funding to Canada’s amateur athletes. He was also waiting for a judge in British Columbia to render her decision in a heavily publicized civil trial with a journalist who alleges Furlong defamed her following a 2012 story in a B.C. newspaper.

In the story, written by journalist Laura Robinson and published in the Georgia Straight, Furlong was accused of physically and verbally abusing First Nations students while on the job as a teacher at a school in northern B.C. four decades ago.

Furlong has strongly denied the allegations, and would not comment on the case during an interview, except to say he did not know when a decision would be delivered.

He was wearing a black Canadian Olympic jacket as he discussed the Olympic process.

“This is a way for Toronto, in some way, to endear itself to the country — to be the biggest city in the country, to be the leader, to be the example for the country, and do something profoundly positive,” he said. “If it chose to do this, this would be a good way to do it.”

There is a precedent for a Pan Am Games host city to move onto the Olympics. Rio de Janeiro is hosting the Olympics next summer after staging the Pan Ams in 2007. Four years ago, officials in Mexico pledged to mount an Olympic bid after hosting the Games in Guadalajara.

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Tyler Anderson / National PostA busy entrance to CIBC Pan Am Park in Toronto, Monday July 13, 2015.

The deadline for bidding on the 2024 Olympics is Sept. 15, and the winning bid will be announced in 2017. Several bids have already been launched: Budapest, Boston, Rome, Paris and Hamburg, Germany.

“They have work to do that Toronto probably doesn’t have to do,” Furlong said. “Toronto would have lots of work to do, but the kinds of things that many of these cities would have to face, the grinding that they will have to do to develop plans, for Toronto, a lot of that work has been done or tested.”

The Pan Am Games have reportedly been working under a budget of $2.57-billion, which is only a fraction of what it would cost to stage an Olympics. In Tokyo, which is host city for the 2020 Summer Olympics, officials this month announced they would revise plans for the centrepiece stadium — which was going to cost more than US$2-billion alone.

“And that’s Tokyo’s decision, and I don’t believe anyone in the IOC has asked them to (spend that much),” Furlong said. “I think what the IOC wants you to show is that you can stage the Games, that you can create the atmosphere. And Canada’s credentials, they’re bulletproof in respect to delivering on events and keeping its promises.”

In a city such as Toronto, though, where needs exist in everyday services such as public transit and infrastructure, why spend money chasing a Games?

“A well-organized bid could deliver for Toronto many of the things Toronto dreams about, that it probably may never be able to find the impetus to deliver,” Furlong said. “If you decide to go for it, decide that, ‘We’re going to do this, let’s do as much good as we can, while we can, for as long as we can.’”


Toronto Olympic bid under ‘great discussion,’ Tory says Toronto is in a position now to host the Olympics, the mayor says. It would be the city’s sixth try.
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Mayor John Tory says there is a 'great discussion' over another Olympic bid by the city.

By: Peter Edwards Star Reporter, Published on Wed Jul 22 2015

Mayor John Tory (open John Tory's policard) reveals there’s a “great discussion” underway for Toronto to take a sixth run at hosting the Olympic Games.

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As Canada basks in a record-high medal count at the Pan Am Games, reporters asked whether the timing is right to try again for the golden prize of hosting the Olympics.

“There’s a whole variety of international events and sporting competitions that we’re now in a position to host — which I think is good for Toronto, good for Ontario and good for Canada and the Olympics is one of those, obviously, of which there is great discussion,” Tory replied.

“But the time to make any decision with respect to whether to go forward with that is after these Games are successfully concluded,” Tory continued.

His comments came at Queen’s Park on Wednesday morning after a meeting with Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne.

“We have another set of Games that are very important, in Parapan, to carry out and then to sit down and talk about these things together, as we will, and decide what’s best in terms of what we go forward with — whether it’s an Olympic bid or a host of other things,” Tory said.

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The Parapan Am Games are scheduled to run Aug. 7-15.

Toronto has failed in five separate bids for the Summer Olympics since 1960, coming second to Beijing in its attempt for the 2008 Games.

Toronto’s record of failure in winning the Summer Olympics has been fodder for lengthy news articles and PhD papers.

Pressed further about taking another run at hosting the Games, the mayor added: “I guess everything’s on the table until you take it off the table.”

The deadline for bidding on the 2024 Summer Olympics is Sept. 15.

A week ago, Thomas Bach, president of the International Olympic Association, told the CBC: “Toronto would be a good candidate” for hosting the 2024 Games.

In 2007, Rio de Janeiro hosted the Pan American Games and in 2009, the city was awarded the 2016 Summer Olympics.

With files from Jennifer Pagliaro

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Let's not beat around the bush here. The city already has made its decision, it just won't be formally announced until the ParaPan Am games are complete. The games are a big success and public support at its most positive state which means the Olympic bid will be getting the green light. COC support - check, Mayor support - check, Ontario Premier support- check, Prime Minister support - To be determined but most likely a CHECK since this is an election year and Toronto, and Ontario will be the battle ground for the Conservatives if they want to win election.

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^ too difficult to align with the many options the U.S. has at its disposal. Canada has just one obvious choice for its summer Olympic bid, the U.S. Has many.

Plus, second tier events are not an assurance to Olympic success - Rio is not relevant to Toronto. We know Toronto could pull off a great Games - the IOC wasn't so sure about Rio's ability before it hosted 2007 - evident in its decision to exclude it from the shortlist for 2004. That would never happen to Toronto.

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Like Athens 96?6

You're right Toronto will have a hard job beating Paris - for many, many reasons - but you've given one of the few reasons that isn't a real factor. :lol:

I really think that's a myth and like a few other things, NO ONE will want to say it. But Paris is NOT Athens 1990-96; and I am sure for IOC members with any sense of history, 2024 being the Centennial for the last time Paris (where the modern Games were really put together) hosted, is like a subliminal message. It may not be fashionable to openly express it, but it would make a fitting subtext to a deserving city that has often been rebuffed and cheated (1992) in recent years -- if there is any justice in this world. I mean, how can any Olympic person totally BLOCK OUT the fact that Paris' last turn at hosting was in 1924; and its love-hate twin city of London has already gone 3x??

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Public support is rising. Newstalk 1010 interviewed Torontonians and majority are in favour. The video is on the website.
WATCH: Pan Am Games chair wants to see the city bid on 2024 Olympics
David Peterson says Toronto is ready
Posted on 7/23/2015 by Hayley Cooper, Russ Courtney

Should the City of Toronto bid on the 2014 Olympics?

The chair of the Pan Am Games says "Yes!"

David Peterson says things could not have gone any better with the games over the past two weeks, thanks to the collective effort of tens of thousands of people.

"There's a lot of pressure. People who weren't too sure about this enterprise two months or a month ago are wildly enthusiastic. We've proven to the world we can do it. A lot of our foreign guests are dazzled by Toronto."

He says those guests are encouraging Toronto to go for it.

Peterson adds a preliminary, not a final, decision has to be made by mid-September.

He fully believes political, sports, and private sector leaders will push for it.

- See more at: http://www.newstalk1010.com/news/2015/07/23/watch-pan-am-games-chair-wants-to-see-the-city-bid-on-2024-olympics#sthash.bKzqluAM.dpuf
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Toronto Olympic bid? John Tory says city to decide 'very quickly' on 2024 Games
Five cities have already expressed interest in hosting the mega-event

The Associated Press Posted: Jul 23, 2015 5:21 PM ET Last Updated: Jul 23, 2015 5:21 PM ET

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Toronto Mayor John Tory has done little to quash speculation that the city will put forward a bid for the 2024 Olympics. (Al Bello/Getty)

Toronto Mayor John Tory says Canada's largest city will make a decision "very quickly" whether to bid for the 2024 Olympics.

In an interview with The Associated Press on Thursday, Tory did nothing to quash speculation that Toronto will bid and use the Pan Am/Parapan Am Games as a springboard.

Tory previously said, however, that the city would wait until after the Pan Am Games to decide.

Five cities have already said they will bid: Boston; Budapest, Hungary; Hamburg, Germany; Paris; Rome.

Tory says: "We have to sit down right after these games and prepare every bit of analysis — on the finances, on the benefits to the city, on the amount of publicity it will give us from the point of tourism."

Toronto has failed twice with recent Olympic bids, losing out to Atlanta for the 1996 Games, and Beijing for 2008.

Cities looking to host the 2024 Summer Olympics have until Sept. 15 to submit a letter of application to the International Olympic Committee.

The winning city will be chosen in the summer of 2017.

With files from CBC News and The Canadian Press


Toronto 2024 Olympic bid would put city in competitive field
Bidding cities so far are Paris, Rome, Budapest, Hamburg and Boston

CBC News Posted: Jul 22, 2015 5:23 PM ET Last Updated: Jul 22, 2015 5:23 PM ET

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  • At least five cities are interested in bidding for the 2024 Summer Olympics. Toronto Mayor John Tory said Wednesday the possibility of a bid would be considered after the Pan Am Games end this summer. A Boston group trying to land the Olympics released this architect's rendering on June 29 showing a proposed Olympic stadium. The group says its $4.6-billion US plan would create jobs and housing, expand the tax base and leave behind an improved city with a $210-million surplus. (Elkus Manfredi Architects for Boston 2024/AP)
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If Toronto wants to throw its hat into the ring to host the 2024 Olympic Summer Games, it faces a Europe-heavy competitive field with the deadline to bid fast approaching.

The Canadian Olympic Committee (COC) said in 2013 that it would back a Toronto 2024 bid, but despite hosting the 2015 Pan Am Games, which many view as a dress rehearsal for an Olympic bid, no such bid has been announced.

Rio de Janeiro used the game plan to great success hosting the 2007 Pan Am Games before landing the 2016 Summer Olympics.

"There is no doubt, no doubt that what the country needs most is a Summer Olympic Games," COC chief Marcel Aubut told Reuters. "Toronto is going to deliver a great 2015 Pan Am Games and it should be the first step in going higher for the Olympics like Brazil did."

The IOC will announce the candidate cities that have made it to the shortlist in 2016, before the vote of the host city in summer 2017.

The five contenders to date are Paris, Rome, Budapest, Hamburg and Boston, which have either submitted a bid or announced their intention to do so. The bidding deadline is Sept. 15.

Controversial Boston bid

The bid from Boston, the only contender from North America, has stirred up the most controversy.

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Boston has been the most contentious choice for 2024 Olympics host city as residents are hesitant to spend public funds on the Games. (Charles Krupa/Associated Press)

The U.S. Olympic Committee in January passed up bigger cities including Los Angeles and Washington to pick Boston as the nation's bidder for the 2024 Summer Games but its choice immediately came under fire by city residents and elected officials who worried taxpayers would be left to foot much of the proposed $9.5 billion US cost of the event.

The cost of hosting the Games has soared in recent years, with Russia spending $51 billion on the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi.

Members of the International Olympic Committee have played up their new "Agenda 2020" approach as calling for a less expensive model that relies on existing infrastructure to keep costs down.

The IOC had seen Boston's bid, which relies on sport facilities that already exist at the city's many universities, as a model of a lower-cost option.

Rome would be 'Olympics of all Italy'

While Boston's bid prides itself on how compact the events would be geographically — 23 venues within an 8.3-kilometre radius — Rome is touting the opposite.

"The Rome Games will not simply be an Olympics of the capital, but the Olympics of all Italy," said Italian Olympic Committee president Luca di Montezemolo. "Venues will not be restricted to the city limits, but spread across the nation."

Budapest touts itself as economical choice

In the Hungarian Olympic Committee's bid announcement, Budapest was hyped as an option that will cut organizational costs and be the economical choice. It would be the city's first time hosting the Olympics.

"We also welcome that the IOC is orienting itself to a more economical and sustainable organization of the Olympic Games, by that breaking the monopoly of the largest and wealthiest countries as hosts," Budapest Mayor Istvan Tarlos and Zsolt Borkai, head of Hungary's Olympic agency, said in a statement.

Paris last hosted in 1924

The Paris Games would be an Olympic centennial for the city, which last hosted in 1924.

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Young athletes pose during a gathering as part of the official launch for the Paris bid for the 2024 Olympics. (Miguel Medina/AFP/Getty Images)

The bid team from Paris is led by athletes and sports officials rather than politicians, believing it has found a winning formula after a string of stinging defeats.

Paris was considered the favourite in the race for the 2012 Olympics, only to lose out to London in a close vote. Paris also failed in bids for the 1992 and 2008 Games.

Hamburg's green Games

Hamburg is focusing on a green Games.

"We can and want to be a role model for a new Olympic and Paralympic concept of the future," said German Olympic committee president Alfons Hoermann.

Hamburg's concept involves the Games being held in the Kleiner Grasbrook area, technically an island but only a 10-minute walk from the city centre.

The plan is to have every venue accessible on foot or by bicycle in a compact inner-city concept. The concept also includes the opening ceremony held in the city and the water rather than in the Olympic stadium.

Germany last hosted the Summer Games in 1972 while Berlin and Leipzig had failed attempts in past years. Munich also failed in its effort to host the 2018 Winter Olympics.

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Mayor: Pan Am host Toronto to decide 'very quickly' on 2024 Olympic bid; 5 cities already in
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By STEPHEN WADE AP Sports Writer
July 23, 2015 - 6:25 pm EDT

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TORONTO — Toronto Mayor John Tory says Canada's largest city will make a decision "very quickly" whether to bid for the 2024 Olympics.

Tory did nothing to quash speculation that Toronto will bid and use the ongoing Pan American Games as a springboard, in an interview with The Associated Press on Thursday.

Five cities have already said they will bid: Boston; Budapest, Hungary; Hamburg, Germany; Paris; Rome.

"We have to sit down right after these games and prepare every bit of analysis — on the finances, on the benefits to the city, on the amount of publicity it will give us," Tory said.

Canada has spent about $2.5 billion Canadian ($2 billion) to organize the Pan Am Games — the most expensive in history — and has several Olympic-style venues in place. It has spent 10 times more than Winnipeg did to organize the 1999 Pan Am Games.

Toronto is facing a tight deadline. Candidates must make an official bid with the International Olympic Committee by Sept. 15.

"We don't have any choice but to get it done very quickly." Tory said.

Toronto has failed twice with recent Olympic bids. It lost out to Atlanta for the 1996 Games, and to Beijing for 2008. Also etched in the country's memory are the 1976 Montreal Games, which ran up a $1.5 billion debt that took the city 30 years to pay off.

"I'll be honest. I don't want to be the mayor that presides over some kind of modern-day record for bidding and losing," Tory said. "We want to make a decision — to do it or not — and then campaign our little hearts out, and campaign to win."

Marcel Aubut, the president of the Canadian Olympic Committee, has said Toronto should consider bidding.

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Athletes race in the during the women's 200 meters competition at the Pan Am Games, Thursday, July 23, 2015, in Toronto. (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

"My view is this country should look at the Summer Games as a priority, and there's not any other city in the country other than Toronto that could offer the site to do this," Aubut told the Toronto Star in a recent interview.

The COC declined a request to interview Aubut, although he is expected to speak on Sunday, the final day of the Pan Am Games.

Tory said he spoke with IOC President Thomas Bach at the Pan Am opening ceremony. Bach has pushed recently to cut Olympic costs, embarrassed that Russian spent $51 billion organizing the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi.

"He (Bach) told me they are not going to be seeking out anymore the biggest and boldest and most expensive bids," Tory said.

Saad Rafi, the CEO of the Pan Am Games, called many of the venues "Olympic standard," though he said some were smaller than needed for the Olympics.

"Some of the swimmers have said to me that the pool is as good as any Olympic facility they've been to, including Beijing or London," Rafi told The AP.

Public support in Toronto is hard to gauge. Costs have been criticized, 90 percent of which are picked up by the government. About $55 million Canadian ($42 million) has been spent on a velodrome. An athletes' village cost $700 million Canadian ($540 million) and will be turned into condominiums, apartments, and student housing.

The IOC binds host countries to pick up any cost overruns.

"Opinions are divided," Tory said. "I would say there are more people here in favor of these kinds of international events than opposed."

Toronto's interest comes as Boston is struggling to gain traction with public support below 50 percent.

"I know enough about the IOC and its Papal-like selection process — the puff of white smoke emerges but you're never quite sure about the factors," Tory said. "If Toronto's in this contest, then I guess it will be helpful not to have another North American entry."

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I can't see Toronto not bidding now, with public support growing and those citizens that were skeptical are starting to warm up to bidding for the Olympics. The city may risk losing support if it waits for 2028. That's why I believe it is imminent that Toronto will enter this Olympic race last minute.

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The idea of Toronto bidding for 2024 is strategically CATASTROPHIC! The bid obviously will be rushed and that does not argue well for what might lay in the future. Added to this, the Pan Ams, incidentally, as I made very very clear before the games started, HAVE SHOWN that the Toronto people were totally underprepared for the city's impact on the games. They were too focussed on the impact of the games on the city, and because the games were B rated, preparations - most notably those related to public relations - were B rated. There was just too much sloppiness associated with strategically important aspects of the games that, have injured your city's image in some circles. Toronto should not bid for 2024 nor should it be allowed to, quite frankly.

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The idea of Toronto bidding for 2024 is strategically CATASTROPHIC! The bid obviously will be rushed and that does not argue well for what might lay in the future. Added to this, the Pan Ams, incidentally, as I made very very clear before the games started, HAVE SHOWN that the Toronto people were totally underprepared for the city's impact on the games. They were too focussed on the impact of the games on the city, and because the games were B rated, preparations - most notably those related to public relations - were B rated. There was just too much sloppiness associated with strategically important aspects of the games that, have injured your city's image in some circles. Toronto should not bid for 2024 nor should it be allowed to, quite frankly.

Throne, where are you from? As in, what country and which city? Just curious, you can PM me the answer if you're not comfortable broadcasting it on the forum.

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